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post Oct 15 2010, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(wingster @ Oct 15 2010, 12:16 AM)
With barehand keh? I think not guah tongue.gif .... if tripod also not possible because my new tripod died last week
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QUOTE(wingster @ Oct 14 2010, 09:13 PM)
Nowadays DSLR market, video mode not only hook photographers but video + cinematographers as well, take Canon 5D Mk.II as a good example which it has being used by several motion pictures (like Avatar, Iron Man II and so on.)

In fact there are only very tiny little numbers of VDSLR users who mainly uses for cinematography more than photography and what Sony wants to do is to protect its high-end model video equipment market compare the others so its DSLR/DSLT model would take less video options but at sooner this method will no longer works as most people would choose more flexible video DSLR in several aspect (because it get videographers attentions for purchase as well)
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post Oct 15 2010, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 15 2010, 12:47 AM)
29-31st october midvalley got photography fair......................................................... brows.gif  brows.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 15 2010, 03:35 AM

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Jyeah, got back a new set of a550. Will slowly start rebuild my lense collection =)

Don't know why I'm still in love with a550 although got many new DSLR released nowadays..

Maybe because of its LCD and its body..

Haven't use 18-55 SAM before.. I think it sharper than 18-250 and comparable to 16-105.. but its short in range

This post has been edited by destfull: Oct 15 2010, 03:35 AM
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post Oct 15 2010, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 15 2010, 12:47 AM)
29-31st october midvalley got photography fair......................................................... brows.gif  brows.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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wa!..then i can walk go there during lunch time.. blush.gif got lengluis?? drool.gif
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QUOTE(applemango @ Oct 15 2010, 05:43 AM)
nice picture...
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QUOTE(wingster @ Oct 14 2010, 09:13 PM)
Nowadays DSLR market, video mode not only hook photographers but video + cinematographers as well, take Canon 5D Mk.II as a good example which it has being used by several motion pictures (like Avatar, Iron Man II and so on.)

In fact there are only very tiny little numbers of VDSLR users who mainly uses for cinematography more than photography and what Sony wants to do is to protect its high-end model video equipment market compare the others so its DSLR/DSLT model would take less video options but at sooner this method will no longer works as most people would choose more flexible video DSLR in several aspect (because it get videographers attentions for purchase as well)
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I think that videography using DSLR will still only remain in the realm of amateurs and wannabes. There are dedicated pro video cams out there that is suited a thousand time better to capture video compared to a video DSLR. I do not think that the DSLR is a good platform to take video. It's all just a marketing gimmick.

You may see video cams evolving in future and ultimately have large sensors and what not but they will remain video cams. Still cams will remain still cams. The 2 discipline do not mix well. A videographer have to think differently than a photographer in order to get good video footage. Video is about catching motion and presenting them well. Photo is about freezing a moment in time. Quite the polar opposite to me.
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yup sorry to say.. it's just for marketing..
but atleast it's there where sometimes ago live-view and video would cost us more.. and no option for it..

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Oct 15 2010, 01:22 AM)
you're there for the girls only, we know that brows.gif
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QUOTE(ahpingko @ Oct 15 2010, 07:39 AM)
wa!..then i can walk go there during lunch time.. blush.gif  got lengluis?? drool.gif
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ermmmmmmmmmm...

the advertisers didn't really mention about girls..

only got 'sales of camera products' brows.gif

anyway..if you looking for models..next weekend at times square also got...but the model show is 6-8pm like that..lazy go la... yawn.gif afternoon still ok...
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post Oct 15 2010, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Oct 15 2010, 08:48 AM)
I think that videography using DSLR will still only remain in the realm of amateurs and wannabes. There are dedicated pro video cams out there that is suited a thousand time better to capture video compared to a video DSLR. I do not think that the DSLR is a good platform to take video. It's all just a marketing gimmick.

You may see video cams evolving in future and ultimately have large sensors and what not but they will remain video cams. Still cams will remain still cams. The 2 discipline do not mix well. A videographer have to think differently than a photographer in order to get good video footage. Video is about catching motion and presenting them well. Photo is about freezing a moment in time. Quite the polar opposite to me.
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They already have large sensor video camera but problem is it is really expensive + it is extremely heavy

Video DSLR is not just a gimmeick, a lots of industrial has been using it as a secondary filming production tools because it is lighter than APS-C or 35mm film cameras + it is easy to carry and go.

I have listen some talk who actually using Video DSLR for productions and I do a lots of research and it proves that the importance. Canon DSLR had made it successful way and a lots of cinematographers or videographers likely interest on it mainly because of budget and light + portable.

I know a lots of people would say still camera just for stills but video DSLR has slowly make it another side towards filming, it might not have many technical features like XLR cables, ND filters and so on. However it has basic requirements that videographers and cinematographer wants + the restriction they understand + acceptable, in addition the price is 10 times cheaper than the RED cameras or a 35mm film cameras.

In western country there a lots of video equipment + primes specially made for video DSLR take Zacuto as an example, it just not so popular here

Sony NEX VG-10 is a good start but from what I test it but still it classified as "Handycam" with little advance control like FMC(Full Manual Control) and sound monitoring, it is good for documentary I have to say with the zoom lens but its quality and features not so good for serious film maker hopefully their new FF body has these similar features as 5D Mk.II or an evolution NEX VG series camera with better quality and features

This post has been edited by wingster: Oct 15 2010, 09:16 AM
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post Oct 15 2010, 09:37 AM

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Sigma 85mm F1.4 EX DG HSM

street price about $900. about rm2700? wonder how it fairs against the Zeiss 85mm. but it sure can AF faster with the HSM. tempting. ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
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post Oct 15 2010, 09:55 AM

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wingster: Avatar was not primarily shot with a Canon 5D MkII. Heck, it's a CGI motion capture film!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%282009_film%29

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The live action was shot with a modified version of the proprietary digital 3-D Fusion Camera System, developed by Cameron and Vince Pace.[83] In January 2007, Fox had announced that 3-D filming for Avatar would be done at 24 frames per second despite Cameron's strong opinion that a 3-D film requires higher frame rate to make strobing less noticeable.[84] According to Cameron, the film is composed of 60% computer-generated elements and 40% live action, as well as traditional miniatures.[85] Additional live action elements were filmed at Kerner Studios on Kernercam 3D systems and RED cameras.[86]


Here is a picture of the camera used:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonyelectronics/4194825503/

And more from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_movie...n_Camera_System:

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There is a video  about the Fusion system presented at NAB 2007 as the "Sony Fusion 3D Camera System". This is also referred to as the Pace-Fusion and Pace-Cameron system (they do credit collaboration with James Cameron). It uses two Sony HDC-F950 HD cameras, which are part of the Sony CineAlta range. Cameron used a modified version of the Fusion camera for his 2009 film Avatar.[5]


Of course, the 5D MkII was indeed used as a B cam in Iron Man 2.

destfull: Welcome back. Use the camera that inspires you! smile.gif

noprob: Nice!

zstan: If only - more like RM3k-4k range I'd say. sad.gif


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QUOTE(albnok @ Oct 15 2010, 09:55 AM)
wingster: Avatar was not primarily shot with a Canon 5D MkII. Heck, it's a CGI motion capture film!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%282009_film%29
Here is a picture of the camera used:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonyelectronics/4194825503/

And more from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_movie...n_Camera_System:
Of course, the 5D MkII was indeed used as a B cam in Iron Man 2.

destfull: Welcome back. Use the camera that inspires you! smile.gif

noprob: Nice!

zstan: If only - more like RM3k-4k range I'd say. sad.gif
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Of course is not the primary camera for those large production movies but secondary cameras ...



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QUOTE(wingster @ Oct 15 2010, 09:09 AM)
They already have large sensor video camera but problem is it is really expensive + it is extremely heavy

Video DSLR is not just a gimmeick, a lots of industrial has been using it as a secondary filming production tools because it is lighter than APS-C or 35mm film cameras + it is easy to carry and go.

I have listen some talk who actually using Video DSLR for productions and I do a lots of research and it proves that the importance. Canon DSLR had made it successful way and a lots of cinematographers or videographers likely interest on it mainly because of budget and light + portable.

I know a lots of people would say still camera just for stills but video DSLR has slowly make it another side towards filming, it might not have many technical features like XLR cables, ND filters and so on. However it has basic requirements that videographers and cinematographer wants + the restriction they understand + acceptable, in addition the price is 10 times cheaper than the RED cameras or a 35mm film cameras.   

In western country there a lots of video equipment + primes specially made for video DSLR take Zacuto as an example, it just not so popular here

Sony NEX VG-10 is a good start but from what I test it but still it classified as "Handycam" with little advance control like FMC(Full Manual Control) and sound monitoring, it is good for documentary I have to say with the zoom lens but its quality and features not so good for serious film maker hopefully their new FF body has these similar features as 5D Mk.II or an evolution NEX VG series camera with better quality and features
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Refer to statements in bold.

Like I said - it will remain in the realm of amateurs and wannabes who does not have the budget for a pro video cam - the proper tool for video capture. Of course pro video cams are gonna cost you! It's designed from ground up for video and optimized for video and targeted to the pro video market.

DSLRs and DSLTs are essentially still cameras. Designed from the ground up to capture still photos and have a video function thrown in just for bragging rights. It's a bridge at best for the amateurs videographers who have a limited budget to start with. Once they get the money and means, they will buy a proper pro video cam.

Where will that leave the video function on DSLRs and DSLTs? Nowhere. It'll be there but it'll not really get improved upon much and will stay a nice to have feature.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 15 2010, 12:47 AM)
29-31st october midvalley got photography fair......................................................... brows.gif  brows.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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can go and search for camera bagpack lo rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Oct 15 2010, 10:04 AM)
Refer to statements in bold.

Like I said - it will remain in the realm of amateurs and wannabes who does not have the budget for a pro video cam - the proper tool for video capture. Of course pro video cams are gonna cost you! It's designed from ground up for video and optimized for video and targeted to the pro video market.

DSLRs and DSLTs are essentially still cameras. Designed from the ground up to capture still photos and have a video function thrown in just for bragging rights. It's a bridge at best for the amateurs videographers who have a limited budget to start with. Once they get the money and means, they will buy a proper pro video cam.

Where will that leave the video function on DSLRs and DSLTs? Nowhere. It'll be there but it'll not really get improved upon much and will stay a nice to have feature.
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I'm agree with you but improve is there for DSLR in video and getting closer to closer through the manual controls as the heavy budget 35mm camera.

DSLR/DSLT is not a platform for video maybe in some way yes but future supportive equipment + extra flexible control will turn the table on that, on large production for sure those pro big camera is always the head of choice but for small production, indi-film makers and short film makers, video DSLR and RED camera leads the way to being as an essential tools.


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can go and search for camera bagpack lo  rclxms.gif
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