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 New employer asking for my latest payslips, wondering on why ?

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post Oct 24 2017, 12:15 PM

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sorry for asking this stupid question, how are we going to hide our past/current salary and expected salary when we apply jobs in Jobstreet?

i try to empty the column but it didnt let me save it...

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post Oct 24 2017, 06:06 PM

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Company AA put a budget 5-7k for advertise job...

They found 1 excellent candidate and willing to pay 7k based on his skills and experience.

HR ask, pay slip and later found that his previous salary only 3.8k and suddenly the willingness to pay 7k gone and turn to 30% increment from his previous salary which is turn to only 5k (lower bracket).

HR got good KPI for cost reduction and saving company money.

p/s: Really unfair to the job seeker just because of his previous salary.

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post Oct 24 2017, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(thoyol @ Nov 12 2015, 03:20 PM)
Ok, for justification purpose as HR is always a constant scapegoat to blame for any stupid reason.

Why need to provide payslips? To verify that you received the declared amount in your application form. You also must remember that you also signed a statement saying that whatever you declared in application form is true.

What if you don't want to show your payslips? Can, provide a copy of EPF statement/bank statement showing that you do receive the declared salary payment.

Who the idiot that invent this payslips verification thingy? I believed it is a part of Risk Management/Internal Audit finding whom concluded that the complete documentation is needed to minimize the risks of fraud/impact to the company. Without a complete documentation, company doesn't stand a chance in labour court in fraud case of any hiring.

Do HR reduce the salary of employee if the employee show the payslips? There is a thing called salary band. Minimum to maximum salary for each position in a company. Who is responsible for the P&L of a department? The hiring manager/HOD. Who responsible for the Operating Expenditure of the department? The hiring manager/HOD. Who approved the salary proposal? The hiring manager/HOD. If the hiring manager don't agreed with the salary, is it amendable? Of course it is but if the proposed amount is outside his/her jurisdiction, HOD need to obtain higher management approval as the salary band is a direct order from the management.

Who come up with the salary band? Usually done by the survey of the market. In a salary band, there are a 50% company, 75% company & 100% company. If you are applying to a 50% company (average paymaster), DO NOT EXPECT TO GET A HIGH SALARY. DO NOT COMPLAIN THAT HR TRY TO CUT YOUR SALARY. EVER HEARD THE TERM, PAY PEANUT GET MONKEY? The company rated you equivalent to a monkey! Try to apply to a 100% company instead, the top paymaster in the industry.

So what is HR role then? HR find & source for the candidate, arrange interview, be a part of the interviewer panel, perform background check, verify documents, arrange for medical checkup, perform salary benchmark, propose a salary BASED ON SALARY BAND, obtain approval for the salary, discuss with the candidate, arrange all terms & benefits, coordinate candidate reporting, manage his benefits, yada yada yada..

So what if I want to continue blame the STUPID HR and don't want to show the payslips? Sure, you can do so. HR will continue to be patient, raise the issue to top management re-this thing and ask their direction on this.

If you are just an Executive, most probably you will be rejected. You are not worth the risks.

If you are a Senior Management and have a backing of the CEO,COO, probably the company willing to take the risk in hiring you.
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so what you read here is the surface justifications from HR. Things that they dont say infront of you is:

1) Negotiation is always on the table. Whether you are skilled at it or HR will not nego, it is a different matter.
2) HR will get the benchmark salary from your previous salary and expected salary to match to their position range.
3) HR will lowball the candidate salary, always happen regardless which company you are in.
4) Payslip and EPF is candidate private confidential information. No one except yourself shall be forced to disclose this information.

Requirement to get candidate salary does not come from any ISO standards or any regulatory compliance requirements. Hence, it is wise to practice not to simply "give in" to their request. Just because they request, doesnt mean you have to give.
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post Oct 25 2017, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(601430 @ Oct 24 2017, 12:15 PM)
sorry for asking this stupid question, how are we going to hide our past/current salary and expected salary when we apply jobs in Jobstreet?

i try to empty the column but it didnt let me save it...
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U can put Rm1 if not wrong. That's hiding
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post Oct 25 2017, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(s|dE @ Oct 24 2017, 06:06 PM)
Company AA put a budget 5-7k for advertise job...

They found 1 excellent candidate and willing to pay 7k based on his skills and experience.

HR ask, pay slip and later found that his previous salary only 3.8k and suddenly the willingness to pay 7k gone and turn to 30% increment from his previous salary which is turn to only 5k (lower bracket).

HR got good KPI for cost reduction and saving company money.

p/s: Really unfair to the job seeker just because of his previous salary.
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Sometimes it helps if u have another offer on the table. For leverage. Some hr will want to see offer letter which is not possible in most cases. An email with the offered amount might help.
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post Oct 26 2017, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(demetry @ Oct 24 2017, 06:49 PM)
so what you read here is the surface justifications from HR. Things that they dont say infront of you is:

1) Negotiation is always on the table. Whether you are skilled at it or HR will not nego, it is a different matter.
2) HR will get the benchmark salary from your previous salary and expected salary to match to their position range.
3) HR will lowball the candidate salary, always happen regardless which company you are in.
4) Payslip and EPF is candidate private confidential information. No one except yourself shall be forced to disclose this information.

Requirement to get candidate salary does not come from any ISO standards or any regulatory compliance requirements. Hence, it is wise to practice not to simply "give in" to their request. Just because they request, doesnt mean you have to give.
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Well said. This is sad but true. Most of the time, the candidates sound or look desperate in front of HR and during interview and comply sheepishly without 2nd thought, even when he or she was there just to make up the numbers.

This is also a by-product of our education system - to produce sheepish workers subject to abuse by the superiors, including sacking and MSS/VSS/forced resignation.
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post Oct 26 2017, 03:14 AM

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QUOTE(s|dE @ Oct 24 2017, 06:06 PM)
Company AA put a budget 5-7k for advertise job...

They found 1 excellent candidate and willing to pay 7k based on his skills and experience.

HR ask, pay slip and later found that his previous salary only 3.8k and suddenly the willingness to pay 7k gone and turn to 30% increment from his previous salary which is turn to only 5k (lower bracket).

HR got good KPI for cost reduction and saving company money.

p/s: Really unfair to the job seeker just because of his previous salary.
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And AA wonder why their turnover so high and got con by bullshit HR excuses that its industry standard rate. Then on an unlcuky occasion AA met issue and pay even more than they should have if they get good employees at first. More unluckily competitors pop out and kill the company.

Sound familiar? Endless cycle in the world.
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QUOTE(party @ Oct 26 2017, 03:14 AM)
And AA wonder why their turnover so high and got con by bullshit HR excuses that its industry standard rate. Then on an unlcuky occasion AA met issue and pay even more than they should have if they get good employees at first. More unluckily competitors pop out and kill the company.

Sound familiar? Endless cycle in the world.
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post Jun 25 2019, 10:31 AM

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It's disheartening to see HR still practice this and requesting for pay slip is one thing but than they didn't promise anything at all to the candidate even after revealing your pay slip.

But one should not show your pay slip . When the manager or HR ask for it during the interview ,try to interrogate them further.

1) why you need to see the pay slip?
2) So, you have doubt that i reveal a fake previous salary?
3) Than in the first place y u calling me for interview ?
4) Do you call me for interview because I have the skill for this vacancy ?

Once you have detect something fishy or fiction about their conduct, i mean do you still want to work for them???


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post Jun 25 2019, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(RNM @ Jun 25 2019, 10:31 AM)
It's disheartening to see HR still practice this and requesting for pay slip is one thing but than they didn't promise anything at all to the candidate even after revealing your pay slip.

But one should not show your pay slip . When the manager or HR ask for it during the interview ,try to interrogate them further.

1) why you need to see the pay slip?
2) So, you have doubt that i reveal a fake previous salary?
3) Than in the first place y u calling me for interview ?
4) Do you call me for interview because I have the skill for this vacancy ?

Once you have detect something fishy or fiction about their conduct, i mean do you still want to work for them???
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in a more professional way, i am not comfortable to share my payslip at this current stage. let's talk more about this if you want to proceed/ finalize the interview
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post Jun 25 2019, 04:23 PM

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If let's say HR sends you an email saying you have been selected to join the company. Please provide us the relevant documents below: testimonials, 3 month payslip etc.etc.
Will you provide this?
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post Jun 25 2019, 08:37 PM

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If you not going to provide it, don't expect to be interview. If you are telling the truth, i don't see the point not to show it. People nowadays are weird.
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post Jun 25 2019, 08:44 PM

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Just had a second round interview. Stated my previous pay and expected pay in the application form.

After the interview, 2 days after, the HR messaged me and asking me for latest 3 month pay slip which I send to them. In my opinion, just provide the HR if they’re asking for it.
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post Jun 26 2019, 12:36 PM

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What's weirder is people who willingly share their P&C information when it's irrelevant to the hiring process.

Expected pay should be dependent on the new job, not the previous job.

Why are candidates required to be open about their pay slips but employers aren't required to be open about their budget?

So don't be surprised if your teammate who does the same thing you do earns a lot more than you do.
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post Jun 26 2019, 01:09 PM

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The company im heading for an interview requested past 3 months payslip and epf & bank statement.

Til today I don't really understand what it has to do with my skills to perform. I take personal data quite seriously and this makes me feel violated. Still, I'll not reveal my payslip cos it's will ruin my chance of getting better pay.

I do know I have the choice not to join, but seeing majority of HR is practicing such way to hire people it's very demotivating for me to apply.
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QUOTE(ayamstim @ Jun 26 2019, 12:36 PM)
What's weirder is people who willingly share their P&C information when it's irrelevant to the hiring process.

Expected pay should be dependent on the new job, not the previous job.

Why are candidates required to be open about their pay slips but employers aren't required to be open about their budget?

So don't be surprised if your teammate who does the same thing you do earns a lot more than you do.
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Exactly what I've been thinking. Some of them doesn't even reveal their budget, giving answer like "based on your experience" or "around expected salary".
Felt like being bullied by HR/employer when they are asking for candidate's pay slip but don't even disclose their budget for that particular vacancy.
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post Jun 27 2019, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(bryanjj @ Sep 8 2010, 04:27 PM)
My new employer asking for my latest 3 months payslip. They said that they need these information before confirm on hiring me. But they never tell that why they need my payslip for.  unsure.gif
Anyone has any idea on this issue ?  unsure.gif
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Every company has its own set of policies.May be, its their requirement before hiring an employee to analyze that how honest was the candidate during interview. Whereas, there is proper procedure for this. They can contact your previous employer and investigate. However, if you do not have a problem with providing your pay slip ( if you have told them your right salary ) then go for it .Its completely ok .
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post Jun 28 2019, 07:54 AM

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Perhaps we can tell HR, let me call up my ex employer and ask them for permission to reveal their salary first, see what they say?
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QUOTE(Shazzac @ Sep 8 2010, 04:48 PM)
Well, new companies have no right to ask for your P&C documents.

P&C Docs = payslip, EA form, J Form and so on.

They just want to see if you lie about your past pay and the company you worked for.

Then again, nowadays, some smaller companies use only A4 paper to print pay slips. If give own printed also they dunno la.

Ask that co. to call your previous co. to confirm la. Chances are they will fail coz your ex co's HR will not release your info to anyone at all.
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+1. normally if new co. hr die die want to see my payslip, I just do it in Microsoft Word less than 5 minutes & print. some pipu working as hr but dunno what 'secret & confidential docs' means. haihh
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QUOTE(Rachel Stinson @ Jun 27 2019, 02:54 PM)
Every company has its own set of policies.May be, its their requirement before hiring an employee to analyze that how honest was the candidate during interview. Whereas, there is proper procedure for this. They can contact your  previous employer and investigate. However, if you do not have a problem with providing your pay slip ( if you have told them your right salary ) then go for it .Its completely ok .
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u tried to call up a company that your friend is working in and ask how much he/she is earning? innocent.gif

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