some will argue that it will prove that you are working in that company.

u can try to provide pay slips but redacted on the amount. let's see what the HR says

I just stumbled to this thread yesterday and realized i made a big mistake. I need some advise.

A lil background of me is I am in E-commerce & Online Sales line with a basic and commission (sales target)

This new employer approached me and said I have this skills they needed. We had a couple of interview and in one of it I revealed my current and expected salary (verbally) to the new employer. And as expected the offer is way below my expected. I am talking only RM200 increment. I dont mind revealing my actual salary. I even put it in salary thread.

When I told them it is below my expected, they are now asking to see my pay slips as to better justify because my expected and the current salary has about like 30% in gap (gross pay + average monthly commission). I didnt provide anything to them yet. I have worked for 7 years + and my salary bracket seems to cant push to RM3K. I strongly believe that it will take a very long time to achieve my expected if I keep revealing my current salary to new employers.

What I want to know now is their budget for this position. They said if I wanted to get my expected salary I need to achieve 10x sales target to cover back the cost, etc etc. It is kind of stressing me out a little. They have been talking all the sales target I needed to achieve if I am to get this salary or that. None of my previous company and current did that. I understand that I need to cover back my package by contributing value to company but the way they presented it to me sounded as if I am a very high cost to them. Aside from sales side, I will be contributing in marketing and administration side too.

Any advise for this ? I am keen to know their salary range for this role and I dont think I will get a truthful answer from them since I revealed mine. Should I just move on and look for other jobs ?

Thank you for reading

This post has been edited by kawa_e: Jul 28 2019, 01:02 PM

My interviewer already asked for payslip before interview. is that normal?

I had a candidate who showed me his payslip.

Based on this a 20% premium was negotiated and agreed upon.

He "worked" for a month and showed poor attitude. I wasn't too keen to keep him.

Then I called his previous HR to check on him and while in discussion found out that he falsified his payslip.

Based on that I promptly fired him.

Didn't even have to pay him a single sen.

What a loser!!

I never met employer asking me for it but I wont show them even if they ask for it.

I think in this case better find other company

It's become a normal in Malaysia for this thing which is very sad..

How good you're is not justified by skills and knowledge, but based on the last pay slip..

In the world of desperation and (manpower) supply over demand.......

I truly beg to differ.

How good you are depends on your results.

If you are a salesman, how much sales you obtained last 12 months?

If you are an engineer, how many projects you have completed last 12 months?

If you are an airline pilot, how many total hours you have?

If you are a teacher, how many of your students have gone from F's to A's?

If you are a school headmaster, what's the position of your school in the state?

If you are an athlete, how many gold medals you have?

If you are a tax accountant, how much taxes have you saved for your customer?

If you are a programmer, how many programs have you written without errors/bugs?

If you are a surgeon, how many successful operations have you performed?

If you are a footballer, how many goals have you scored?

If you are a defence lawyer, how many of your defendants avoided jail/fine for the offences they commit?

If you are a prosecutor, how many offenders have you sent to jail/fined?

If you are a soldier, how many enemy soldiers have you sent and died for their country?

If you are a fighter pilot, how many aircraft have you bought down?

If you are a mechanic, how fast can you overhaul the engine?

I can go on ad infinitum.

For any employer, an employee is paid as per his results, not for his looks, number of wives/children/car to support, education, knowledge and certainly not for his skill.

In this case, employer should ask for proof of previous projects and proof of the project achievements.

Salary is a poor judgement of a person's competence. You could be the prime minister and be the world's biggest thief.

Lots of people who do good jobs and are very competent at what they do aren't paid as much as they are worth.
They will not be compensated fairly once again if they let their salary be used by the HR to low ball them again.

Lowball tactic

Ffk this kind of employer

Entirely up to u as the job applicant, if u are very keen with the job offer, just show your payslip and nego from there on.

Otherwise just stand your ground of not showing your payslip and if the HR insist that no payslip no offer then just look elsewhere.

There is no right or wrong in this case. They(HR) have the right to ask for your payslip but you as the job applicant also have the right not to show your payslip based on P&C ground.

This post has been edited by kirakun: Aug 6 2019, 04:34 PM

Im going interview soon and the employer ask me to bring along 3 months salary slip... Can I lies about previous salary because previous employer underpay me and if i be honest, the employer might under pay me based on previous salary too...

I called my previous employer to ask them lies for me just incase they called the employer. Can they somehow checked my previous salary?

I told the employer that the expected was too low, etc etc. Then what I didnt expect is that she was telling me now that I might not understand their vision and share the passion because I am more keen into monetary terms. Well she was the one who was very straight forward with the staff costing and everything 😅

Nope, no employers are allowed to reveal. Probably small company will just give in but no

It works both ways actually. U have the rights to not tell, they also have the rights to not hiring u if they think that u can't cooperate.

At the end of the day it depends on how desperate u are wanting to work with that particular company.

I'm afraid that she already has a bad impression on u. Even if u accept the job, she will always remember u as "monetary terms". I'd say forget about this. Btw, rm200 increment is too little. If u have a stable job now, u are risking everything just for rm200? Not worth it.

This post has been edited by annoymous1234: Aug 7 2019, 01:22 PM

Things just dont add up here, the potential employer said that you have the skillset that they require, yet they are not ready to pay you a salary accordingly. Of course I am saying this based on your statement, as an employer I would ask the potential employee for their expected salary, but I actually do not expect an answer. I would also have done my homework before hand and gauged what the market rate for the said role and how much benefit it would be to hire you. But it seems this employer is trying to low ball you.
For all commission type or sales driven jobs the basic salaries are always lower, what you should negotiate is the commission rates, and other benefits being offered by the employer such as insurance, bonuses, transport/accommodation allowances etc. all of these do add up.

From what I can see, stay way from this employer he/she clearly seems not to be trust worthy, they will pressurise you once you have joined them. Its better to walk away from these greedy idiots then to make your life difficult.




First and foremost you shouldnt have asked for his payslip, secondly how his previous HR department so easily disclosed his salary over the phone, unless it was a complete twit on the other side. You should have done due diligence and verified his documents before hiring him, not including payslip because you have no business in demanding it in the first place. I am gonna call your story utter and complete BS, things just dont add up here.


And you might continue to infinity with this pedantic attitude, salary or payslips under no circumstances would disclose any of the information you listed about.


Well said, it seems in Malaysia people have little to no understanding of what they can and can not ask for.

Do not give it to them, you have the right to reject such request if you do not feel comfortable with it, move onto the next interview.

This post has been edited by Dakaa: Aug 13 2019, 08:02 PM

When I hire people I look at the budget and what is the market rate on the job. Recently I have two openings and hire two people doing the same job. Both have different expected salary. As both are doing the same job its fair I pay the same amount. Hence person A actually gets about 10% more than his expected salary even though his experience is slightly more than person B.

So you did not look or request for his current salary slip?

Nope I did not. But I think our HR did due to company policy (not that I agree). Our HR do not have a target for salary hence they practically agree to what we suggest.