do you have ANY idea how difficult it is to adopt a child? you have to really WANT to adopt one to be willing to sit through all the red tape and stuff they put you through to make sure they're placing the child in a proper, stable home.

Wow you really are what you appear to be.

If not mistaken, abortion in taiwan is legal? Seems lots of chics went for abortion, correct me if I'm wrong.

There is no difference, and that's one of the reasons why we need less kids "abandoned" kids. If you think adoption is a perfect system, it is not. Even if its just kids without parents (from natural causes), the adoption system is already overloadeed and filled with its own problems. You've been in america for some time, you should know about the problems in their system. This, is when they at least HAVE A SYSTEM.


I'm in no position to even support a child on my own, what makes you think I can adopt a child? I'm not going to be irresponsible to society to ruin a child's life and the life of the community which he is connected to. Don't forget that majority of kids who are not brought up well, end up being a menace to society in one form or another.

if you think this country is backwards, recently a school just opened for pregnant teenagers to give them a place to study and be safe from society's prejudice against pregnant teens. This is a great step forward, as it removes one reason for abortion. Slowly work away at rationales for abortion, and people won't abort. Simply saying "its a life, don't abort!" is stupid.


If only things were so simple eh. As I said, its so freaking easy to tell people what they should do, and not even get your hands dirty to try to help fix problems. People make choices in their lives, and yes they should be responsible for it. Whether that choice is living with a child, or the guilt of killing it, its something they live with.

If you want to tell people what to do, you need to put money where you mouth is and get involved. Otherwise all you're doing is blowing hot air.


Facts weren't twisted. The statistical correlation is very high and there are several academic papers based on that study. So before you go debasing a statistic, perhaps you should read up on it first?

Indeed, its always the people who "seem" to be good that make the most noise. Telling people what they should do, but they themselves don't want to help do anything about it.

Before starting my arguements ... are u a radical usrah member ?

Firstly man shouldnt run away but the fact is that so many irresponsible man out there who runs away whenever the girl is pregnants .


Secondly, Abortions are legalized only if its due to health or sickness . U still can do abortion for fun even if u r married.

third , ALMOST EVERYONE ON EARTH POKE FOR FUN , EVEN INCLUDING UR PARENTS . No one poke to have kids .


I dont think virgins has any rights to have a say here cos u really dont have the experience or the knowledge . Go get laid dude

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Added on September 7, 2010, 1:31 pmhaihz, the rational solution is to legal abortions.


But the justifications is not based on rational but its more towards the religious stand and as a muslim country who is against premarital sex - they made abortion is illegal . This is mainly to prevent premarital sex but for some reason ppl are still having sex and sometimes some girl get pregnant.


Early age pregnancy also ruin the girls life .

The part that i dont understand is that - abortions are still being done regardless whether it is legal or not . The private company are doing it at a higher rate ... so most wealthy ppl have nothing to worry.


Problem arises when with typical malay families who disowned the girl for being pregnant ( the judge her based on religious moral ) - no solution thus dumped the baby once giving birth.

In the end - For a small mistake that the government policy couldnt help causes the girl to result to something more severe.

Remember all these baby dumping are done by teenagers / early adulthood where they arent mature yet .

Have u seen any chinese / indian baby dumping ?

This post has been edited by akidos: Sep 7 2010, 01:31 PM

I'm pro choice

haha this discussion almost sounded like a political policy strife

correlation != causation. there are several academic papers based on pro-life as well. so what's your point?


Dude, are you saying that educating/enforcing/advocating sex contraceptive AT THE SAME TIME is not the cause of the crime rate getting reduced? REDUCED?

Sheeeeesh.


LISTEN. if they are truly not wanted, then sex contraceptive is the key. not killing.

CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION. MATLAMAT TIDAK MENGHALALKAN CARA.



first alanjaii says working in food stalls for the family is disgusting. then both of you are ignoring and twisting statistics just to prove your point, without considering the impact of sex contraceptive to american teens from the 1970s to now. Congratulations.

u wanna do it.. study up 1st.. sex require knowledge.. sex without knowledge is caveman world.. u wanna do it.. do it with security.. there are many ways of security ( condom, morning after pill, retraction, conception pill, natural period planner) ..

I love it when people use that clause without fully understanding its meaning. We're not saying that abortions will definitely reduce crime (causation), but what we're saying is that the statistics do strongly correlate the 2 data points.

The academic papers based on the statistics just go on to prove the validity of the statistics and its implications. I would like to see pro-life academic papers on the issue of abortion, because I think you won't find any. Since the pro-life stance is basically "its a life, don't kill it!". Even science has more or less defined when a fetus is considered "human".

Majority of pro-lifers take a very simple, naive and black/white view of the issue. They cannot comprehend the complexities of abortion, unwilling to go into depth of its ramifications. I would seriously like to see a proper debate from pro-lifers, instead of an emotional reaction.

Why do people again and again fail to understand that by being against abortion, they are not making more responsible adults?

How can you punish the father that can very easily just walk away? How can you punish the mother when she will resent and hate her child for ruining her life?

You can harp all you want about wanting people to be responsible for their acts. People won't.

In the end, these kids will grow up being uncared, and like what the authors of Freakonomics wrote, they are most susceptible to becoming criminals and societal nuisances.

The parents? Are you damned sure they'll learn to be responsible? Wake up from your disney land.

Don't have too much sex when you're married as well. Have it too frequent and the statistical chance your contraceptive will fail will become real. Have a good time caring for your football team.

No way man. Abortion is wrong in the first place why should it be legalize? Malaysia is a muslim nation and abortion is a crime. Its like saying legalize drug

well........caffeine is legal no? and yes it is a CNS-stimulating drug
and what about institutionalised racism?malaysia practices it not a crime?
ending of life is wrong? how about the food you eat everyday?

how do you define what's right and what's wrong? what makes you tick?

as i remember, no one is saying that abortion is right.

how exactly does "no abortion" relates to "no pre marital sex" when "contraceptive" and the concept of "shotgun marriage" exist?

Abortion is legal if you are married?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law#East

Oh yes.... it is LEGAL.. but terms & conditions apply...

if your baby is in danger, handicapped, dangering the life of mother etc then abortion is legal...

Doc won abort the baby due to personal matters... eg... i`m too young,

how handicapped? if my baby is due to be born without 2 fingers = abortion possible?

handicapped as in no leg, siamese twins etc

I am not a Doc....

these are from my research..........

why I research? cos my then Gf`s period was due 2 month.. and I was in College...

luckily it was due to mental stress that caused the delay

condom, a rm5 insurance that can save you millions

Bottom line, we never know how the child will end up if he/she wasn't aborted. We assume he/she will end up bad. But thats not really the case. Not all will end up bad. And not all children born into good homes end up good either. We won't know. Its a gamble.

Those who wish to abort because they made "mistakes" would bear the burden and guilt themselves. And those who carried on raising the kid even through hardship, you have my deepest utmost respect.

Life is hard, and life is never fair