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post Sep 6 2010, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(Sethmaster @ Sep 6 2010, 10:18 PM)
no

in my context, i mean you wanna f*** recklessly and without thinking, better marry first.

so got lot of legal solution if you dun want the baby from after morning pills to abortion

also the medical staffs will not look at you one kind one.

perfect solution.
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If only we live in a perfect world.

Telling people to get married to have sex, is like telling robbers to get money by getting a job.
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post Sep 7 2010, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Sep 6 2010, 11:36 PM)
you don't want a baby, don't be stupid about sex. if you get pregnant, padan muka. Your consequence, you're stuck with it. Have the baby and give it up for adoption or something.

Can you put money where your mouth is? Would you sponsor/adopt a child that would have been otherwise aborted? Its so much easier to condemn others for their mistakes than to actually solve problems isn't it? So much easier to talk from the moral high ground when you don't have to take any action isn't it?

If all the pro-lifers out there actually went out and said "You don't want your kid, I'll take care of him/her! ", people would find it really hard to argue for abortion.

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I don't believe that abortion should be used as birth control. It should be an option for rape victims and endangered mothers, but otherwise, PADAN MUKA DEAL WITH IT

Unfortunately, its often not the "parents" who have to deal with the bulk of the problem, its really the innocent child and society that deals with the problem from not aborting the child.
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post Sep 7 2010, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Sep 7 2010, 02:26 AM)
Nope. I stand by what I said. Put it up for adoption. If you didn't want a kid, be smart about sex in the first place. Dumb people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
Yes, I would adopt a child that would've been aborted ... but I don't want children in the first place so adoption isn't even a consideration because of the fact that I would gain a child. Why would I adopt a child if I don't even want children of my own? I know plenty of people who'd love to adopt babies. What's the difference between an abandoned baby and one that was supposed to be aborted?

There is no difference, and that's one of the reasons why we need less kids "abandoned" kids. If you think adoption is a perfect system, it is not. Even if its just kids without parents (from natural causes), the adoption system is already overloadeed and filled with its own problems. You've been in america for some time, you should know about the problems in their system. This, is when they at least HAVE A SYSTEM.

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Just because YOU wouldn't adopt a child that would've been aborted doesn't mean everybody doesn't. I'm sorry that Malaysians are so close-minded to even the IDEA of dating someone who has a child, let alone adopt a child that could've been aborted.

No wonder the country's backwards.

I'm in no position to even support a child on my own, what makes you think I can adopt a child? I'm not going to be irresponsible to society to ruin a child's life and the life of the community which he is connected to. Don't forget that majority of kids who are not brought up well, end up being a menace to society in one form or another.

if you think this country is backwards, recently a school just opened for pregnant teenagers to give them a place to study and be safe from society's prejudice against pregnant teens. This is a great step forward, as it removes one reason for abortion. Slowly work away at rationales for abortion, and people won't abort. Simply saying "its a life, don't abort!" is stupid.

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Be smart about sex, or deal with the fact that you now have a child. Give it up for adoption and save it your stupidity.
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If only things were so simple eh. As I said, its so freaking easy to tell people what they should do, and not even get your hands dirty to try to help fix problems. People make choices in their lives, and yes they should be responsible for it. Whether that choice is living with a child, or the guilt of killing it, its something they live with.

If you want to tell people what to do, you need to put money where you mouth is and get involved. Otherwise all you're doing is blowing hot air.

QUOTE(C-Fu @ Sep 7 2010, 07:35 AM)
You want to know what should've been a crime? reading some random stats and accepting something that it is not. it basically means that statistically most of the 45 million babies are the result of unprotected, safe sex. and you want us to be like Americans why again?

don't twist and turn facts as you like just to make a point.
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Facts weren't twisted. The statistical correlation is very high and there are several academic papers based on that study. So before you go debasing a statistic, perhaps you should read up on it first?

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Sep 7 2010, 09:04 AM)
Isn't that the same for the majority of m'sians? Most people complain and act all mighty but when it comes to the crunch they runaway, pfft keyboard warriors. I remember this quote, "poverty is not caused by a lack of funds but by a lack of sharing/caring."

Isn't that the same for a majority of the world's problems?
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Indeed, its always the people who "seem" to be good that make the most noise. Telling people what they should do, but they themselves don't want to help do anything about it.

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post Sep 7 2010, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Sep 7 2010, 04:03 PM)
correlation != causation. there are several academic papers based on pro-life as well. so what's your point?  rolleyes.gif
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I love it when people use that clause without fully understanding its meaning. We're not saying that abortions will definitely reduce crime (causation), but what we're saying is that the statistics do strongly correlate the 2 data points.

The academic papers based on the statistics just go on to prove the validity of the statistics and its implications. I would like to see pro-life academic papers on the issue of abortion, because I think you won't find any. Since the pro-life stance is basically "its a life, don't kill it!". Even science has more or less defined when a fetus is considered "human".

Majority of pro-lifers take a very simple, naive and black/white view of the issue. They cannot comprehend the complexities of abortion, unwilling to go into depth of its ramifications. I would seriously like to see a proper debate from pro-lifers, instead of an emotional reaction.

 

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