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TSalanjaii
post Sep 7 2010, 11:29 PM

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Consider bad as in endangering the lives of others
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post Sep 7 2010, 11:31 PM

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what ever your believe on abortion is it right to force your opinion on the women, denying the women the choice over her own life?
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post Sep 8 2010, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Sep 7 2010, 11:24 PM)
Bottom line, we never know how the child will end up if he/she wasn't aborted. We assume he/she will end up bad. But thats not really the case. Not all will end up bad. And not all children born into good homes end up good either. We won't know. Its a gamble.

Those who wish to abort because they made "mistakes" would bear the burden and guilt themselves. And those who carried on raising the kid even through hardship, you have my deepest utmost respect.

Life is hard, and life is never fair
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true, why bother legalizing circumstantial abortion then? i mean, a handicapped child may grow up to become someone great. beathoven was deaf. similarly for products of rape, childbirth than endanger the mother (one has lived for several decades and has more or less see the limits of her potential, while the other theoretically has unlimited potential) etc etc
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post Sep 8 2010, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Sep 7 2010, 11:55 PM)
condom, a rm5 insurance that can save you millions
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yes.. I used that for 6 years before I marry her.. which is pregnant now after elgal marraige and planning

I only skipped once.....
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post Sep 8 2010, 01:44 AM

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stephen hawking should have been aborted long ago. that idiot now claims aliens are dangerous to us. how dumb!!! aliens come and help us build home, be our maids, so good!
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post Sep 8 2010, 01:56 AM

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Well there are many pros and cons to this question.

If you legalize it, you can be sure that morality of the public will take a great turn, from conservative to liberal. Although you will have lesser rate in:

Baby dumping cases
Young couple divorce cases
forced marriage cases
etc

You will risk more of :

STD epidemic
HIV Spreading faster and at a higher rate
Morale of the society dropping
Teen being more irresponsible
and ofc, more innocent lives being taken away.

So, if you ask me. No it shouldnt be legalized. If one is thinking about having physical intimate intercourse then one should be mature enough to understand the consequences . There is no reason to say that you did it and didnt thought about what will happen next. Even the best reason is not the best reason at all to take an innocent life away, what more it is an excuse?
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post Sep 8 2010, 03:39 AM

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people will want to have sex regardless of whether abortion is legal or not.

the number of people who practice abstinence because they fear to have child is minimal. even then, there's various contraceptive methods to help.

claim you are against abortion because all life is sacred. claiming you do it to stop people from humping one another is a weak reason
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post Sep 8 2010, 08:11 AM

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So throwing babies into bins should be legalized.

like how recycling bins are put out, there should be one more beside thosre bins that are specifically for babies so unwed moms can dump it there without social reprisal.
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post Sep 8 2010, 09:57 AM

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thank you
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post Sep 8 2010, 11:20 AM

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Is abortion illegal? Theres illegal and legal abortion right. For those who have health problems, its not illegal anywhere. But for those sex b4 marriage and abortion unresponsibly is illegal anywhere in the world. Nothing much to discuss really
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post Sep 8 2010, 12:28 PM


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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 8 2010, 11:20 AM)
Is abortion illegal? Theres illegal and legal abortion right. For those who have health problems, its not illegal anywhere. But for those sex b4 marriage and abortion unresponsibly is illegal anywhere in the world. Nothing much to discuss really
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ignorant. scroll back and you will see the wiki link i posted.
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post Sep 8 2010, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Sep 8 2010, 12:28 PM)
ignorant. scroll back and you will see the wiki link i posted.
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post Sep 13 2010, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(nexous @ Sep 7 2010, 08:19 PM)
Why do people again and again fail to understand that by being against abortion, they are not making more responsible adults?

How can you punish the father that can very easily just walk away? How can you punish the mother when she will resent and hate her child for ruining her life?

You can harp all you want about wanting people to be responsible for their acts. People won't.

In the end, these kids will grow up being uncared, and like what the authors of Freakonomics wrote, they are most susceptible to becoming criminals and societal nuisances.

The parents? Are you damned sure they'll learn to be responsible? Wake up from your disney land.

Don't have too much sex when you're married as well. Have it too frequent and the statistical chance your contraceptive will fail will become real. Have a good time caring for your football team.
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Dude, ur entire statement is generalizing.
How do u ensure those who got the 'abortion' word pass through their mind is being irresponsible?
How do u ensure the father will walk away? How do u ensure the mother will resent and hate the child for that?
Even if u never heard or seen one, u should understand that,
this doesn't mean everyone who thought about abortion is simply throwing away their responsibility with or without the intetion of killing the innoccent life.

Lastly, not all child from such parent is so potential to be criminal.
U can say there are cases like this out thr, but parent with or without marriage still have to learn to take care of their child so that they can grow up to be someone better.
Therefore, the future of the child is depends on how the parent bring them, not according to what situation the child's life was there at the first place.

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post Sep 14 2010, 10:19 AM

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The argument is not as per subject. TS in his original post is suggesting that abortion should be legalized AND should be used as a method of birth control.

Let me suggest another way. Set up a charity to accept unwanted children.
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post Sep 14 2010, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(anti-informatic @ Sep 13 2010, 01:59 AM)
Dude, ur entire statement is generalizing.
How do u ensure those who got the 'abortion' word pass through their mind is being irresponsible?
How do u ensure the father will walk away? How do u ensure the mother will resent and hate the child for that?
Even if u never heard or seen one, u should understand that,
this doesn't mean everyone who thought about abortion is simply throwing away their responsibility with or without the intetion of killing the innoccent life.

Lastly, not all child from such parent is so potential to be criminal.
U can say there are cases like this out thr, but parent with or without marriage still have to learn to take care of their child so that they can grow up to be someone better.
Therefore, the future of the child is depends on how the parent bring them, not according to what situation the child's life was there at the first place.
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why the women need to be force to give birth to child she dont want or no able to care for just for the religious believe of some other people?


Added on September 14, 2010, 12:07 pm
QUOTE(Zozi @ Sep 8 2010, 01:56 AM)
Well there are many pros and cons to this question.

If you legalize it, you can be sure that morality of the public will take a great turn, from conservative to liberal. Although you will have lesser rate in:

Baby dumping cases
Young couple divorce cases
forced marriage cases
etc

You will risk more of :

STD epidemic
HIV Spreading faster and at a higher rate
Morale of the society dropping
Teen being more irresponsible
and ofc, more innocent lives being taken away.

So, if you ask me. No it shouldnt be legalized. If one is thinking about having physical intimate intercourse then one should be mature enough to understand the consequences . There is no reason to say that you did it and didnt thought about what will happen next. Even the best reason is not the best reason at all to take an innocent life away, what more it is an excuse?
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why would there be more STD and HIV when abortion is legalized?


This post has been edited by robertngo: Sep 14 2010, 12:07 PM
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post Sep 24 2010, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(alanjaii @ Sep 6 2010, 10:56 PM)
What are the advantages to legalizing abortion? Babies would not be thrown into dust bin by irresponsible parents. Crime rate can also be reduced significantly.

Consider the following scenarios. 1) The couple has sex, pregnancy, abortion is not legalized, the man runs away or the baby gets thrown into the garbage can or flushed down the toilet. 2) A happily married couple who's not ready for kids, wife suddenly became pregnant, abortion is not legalized, baby born, ruins marriage, divorced. 3) A low-income couple with wife pregnant, abortion is not legalized, forces to give birth, the child is raised, no money for school, perhaps work at food stalls.

Think about if these children were given birth to, how would they be raised? If they're unwanted in the first place, then, certainly, their childhood lives will be miserable. They will suffer from lack of care, lack of discipline and which results in bad behavior and generally leads to the commitment of crime.
The United States is a perfect example. According to Donohue and Levitt's study, male aged between 18 to 24 are most likely to commit crime. With the abortion legalized in the United States in 1973, it has led to a significant drop in crime 18 years later. It started in 1992 and dropped tremendously in 1995 which should have been the peak commiting-crime years. Since 1973, over 45 million legal abortions have been performed in the United States alone.

Think about it.
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if we legalize abortion, remember, humanity are more worse than animal
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post Sep 25 2010, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(segaraga @ Sep 24 2010, 05:03 PM)
if we legalize abortion, remember, humanity are more worse than animal
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many country have legalize abortion, they entire country did not become worse than animal, instead they have some of the best living standard, highest income and lowest crime rate in the world.
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post Sep 26 2010, 01:55 AM

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So babies thrown into trash bins are less worse than legalize abortion? Is that the argument? So the question inevitably boils down to why we cannot prevent teenagers from having sex or couple from unwanted pregnancy, is the same question people would ask how to prevent people from criminal acts, since they are all about commiting "sins" or immoral acts. Is it possible to have a crime free completely moral country? Maybe, but the price to pay will be very high.
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post Sep 26 2010, 01:02 PM

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one important point to consider is the massive danger of illegal abortion which is unsafe result in 70,000 deaths and 5 million disabilities per year.
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post Sep 27 2010, 01:22 PM

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is educate is the hardest part instead of legalize abortion

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