i agree too if i am getting iphone 4 ill go for ipod touch 4th gen someore 800    only

Yup, actually, it's less than half the price?

For iPod Touch 4 32GB, to get iPhone 4 32GB, you need to top up more than 50%.
iPod Touch 4 is slimmer, ligther, and the performance is also better due to no resource required for phone functions.
And when you're playing game, no need to worry play half way excited, suddenly the game paused with incoming calls, or possibly the device hang for a moment there before the incoming calls appear.

Only aspire can clarify, haha.
iOS basically designed for simplicity, in fact, it's too simple. There's only MENU, no homescreen, no widgets, nothing. With none of these, the OS itself save a lot of resources already. Plus, most if not all apps, have no exit button, there's only one GODLY button, one button to rule them all, the HOME button. How simple is that, who don't know how to use? Only one GODLY button to press, no brain required.

Well, the simplicity is good actually, BUT the problem is, there NO room for improvement or advance features; it's treating the user forever as a dumb and simple user, doesn't matter if you're some computer/phone idiot or computer/phone expert, you're treated the same way, a dumb and simple user; the OS is not designed with every type of customer in mind, but it's designed that everyone also able to use it.
Why? Let's put it simple as 3 levels of user: Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced.
If you designed for Beginner ONLY, sure all levels of user can use.
If you designed for Advanced ONLY, lower levels will struggle.
iOS is designed for Beginner ONLY.
A good OS, should designed for ALL levels, with default set to Beginner; user should be allowed to turn on more advanced features; This way, any levels of user can benefit from it, beginner level users can upgrade themselves and advance to the next level. But iOS, forget it, no room for user to improve/advance, BUT it's a smart strategy... WHY? Imagine the user ONLY know how to use a simple and straightforward OS with one GODLY button... when they use other device, they cannot cope and they don't know how to use, so they complain it's not nice to use, etc. So, these user concluded those phones are NOT GOOD without knowing the details, their level and knowledge is limited to the level set by iOS.

Put it in another way, since we have FCam, we get to play with many controls of the camera, which many enjoyed. iOS user are like the users who knows nothing about the details on camera function, they only know one GODLY function, the AUTO mode. True, things should be kept simple, just like camera provide AUTO mode and the AUTO mode should always be improved and take good pictures, but at the same time, cameras also provide options for user to use other features/functions and also manual controls, especially when you talk about professional DSLR. Now, the difference is, iOS doesn't provide any other options, there only AUTO mode; So imagine if the user only knows AUTO mode, when they see Shutter priority, Aperture priority, etc. They will complain, they don't know how to use and too complicated, just give AUTO enough.

Hmm, might just. But the waiting is killer. Plus the touch has half the memory of the iphone only amongst other things.

But yeah, I'm still not really sold on replacing my tried, true and absolutely rock solid E71 with the IP4 on an impulse buy like this. And I just want the apps after all lol.

Also I need a dedicated DAP anyway to switch from my Sansa Fuze which is getting old, and with the ability to use LODs the new touch looks like a good candidate.

But it's simply gonna make my gadget collection so so much bigger lol, pocket will all bocor edi. Oh well.

I think I'm actually in gadget frenzy mode post the death of my N900 really, I just need to buy something lol. Kesian poor me.

Hmm, might just. But the waiting is killer. Plus the touch has half the memory of the iphone only amongst other things.

But yeah, I'm still not really sold on replacing my tried, true and absolutely rock solid E71 with the IP4 on an impulse buy like this. And I just want the apps after all lol.

Also I need a dedicated DAP anyway to switch from my Sansa Fuze which is getting old, and with the ability to use LODs the new touch looks like a good candidate.

But it's simply gonna make my gadget collection so so much bigger lol, pocket will all bocor edi. Oh well.

I think I'm actually in gadget frenzy mode post the death of my N900 really, I just need to buy something lol. Kesian poor me.

Shrugslova when can take a ride on your RX8 and pre install with PSP on dashboard le

Hi Guys I've been using this phone for 2 weeks & am absolutely happy with it.Thanx aspire for the help & info on what apps to dl.Shyly ask I've dl the torchlight apps but can't find it anywhere to turn it on......

Also I've been looking forever for the maemo barcode app online but can't find it to download.A bit of help pls...

The firmware of1.2 - mine says version : 10.2010.19-1 9(is this the firmware & is it up to date)

Hi Guys I've been using this phone for 2 weeks & am absolutely happy with it.Thanx aspire for the help & info on what apps to dl.Shyly ask I've dl the torchlight apps but can't find it anywhere to turn it on......

Also I've been looking forever for the maemo barcode app online but can't find it to download.A bit of help pls...

The firmware of1.2 - mine says version : 10.2010.19-1 9(is this the firmware & is it up to date)

Yup, actually, it's less than half the price?

For iPod Touch 4 32GB, to get iPhone 4 32GB, you need to top up more than 50%.
iPod Touch 4 is slimmer, ligther, and the performance is also better due to no resource required for phone functions.
And when you're playing game, no need to worry play half way excited, suddenly the game paused with incoming calls, or possibly the device hang for a moment there before the incoming calls appear.

iOS basically designed for simplicity, in fact, it's too simple. There's only MENU, no homescreen, no widgets, nothing. With none of these, the OS itself save a lot of resources already. Plus, most if not all apps, have no exit button, there's only one GODLY button, one button to rule them all, the HOME button. How simple is that, who don't know how to use? Only one GODLY button to press, no brain required.

Well, the simplicity is good actually, BUT the problem is, there NO room for improvement or advance features; it's treating the user forever as a dumb and simple user, doesn't matter if you're some computer/phone idiot or computer/phone expert, you're treated the same way, a dumb and simple user; the OS is not designed with every type of customer in mind, but it's designed that everyone also able to use it.
Why? Let's put it simple as 3 levels of user: Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced.
If you designed for Beginner ONLY, sure all levels of user can use.
If you designed for Advanced ONLY, lower levels will struggle.
iOS is designed for Beginner ONLY.
A good OS, should designed for ALL levels, with default set to Beginner; user should be allowed to turn on more advanced features; This way, any levels of user can benefit from it, beginner level users can upgrade themselves and advance to the next level. But iOS, forget it, no room for user to improve/advance, BUT it's a smart strategy... WHY? Imagine the user ONLY know how to use a simple and straightforward OS with one GODLY button... when they use other device, they cannot cope and they don't know how to use, so they complain it's not nice to use, etc. So, these user concluded those phones are NOT GOOD without knowing the details, their level and knowledge is limited to the level set by iOS.

Put it in another way, since we have FCam, we get to play with many controls of the camera, which many enjoyed. iOS user are like the users who knows nothing about the details on camera function, they only know one GODLY function, the AUTO mode. True, things should be kept simple, just like camera provide AUTO mode and the AUTO mode should always be improved and take good pictures, but at the same time, cameras also provide options for user to use other features/functions and also manual controls, especially when you talk about professional DSLR. Now, the difference is, iOS doesn't provide any other options, there only AUTO mode; So imagine if the user only knows AUTO mode, when they see Shutter priority, Aperture priority, etc. They will complain, they don't know how to use and too complicated, just give AUTO enough.

1 to the explanation. In the long run your brain have less activity to improve because it doesnt force you to think further.

True. The only main advantage of mass market adoption (aka: "everyone use one") cannot be negated though: there's more of a market for app and accessory makers. That's why there is a Morphie battery case for the Iphones (any gen) and I - on the other hand - have to velcro a USB battery pack to my N900.

It's not JUST the phone, really, it's the ecosystem it lives in. I hope Nokia keeps this in mind for the Meego devices.

Not that I find the "walled garden" THAT interesting, but it's the bigger picture, people. Apple WORKS with (okay, some) accessory makers so that fun accessories exist for their phone. Everybody else just waits and hopes that their devices are popular enough for some company to come up with some accessories.

Not that I'm gonna get an Iphone 4 in the end, the limitations that it has still kinda pisses me off deep inside. Will prolly just get an Itouch to handle big screen browsing duties until the N9 hits.

Unless Nokia sumbat another freakin EDOF cam on the N9. Then I will jumping the ships, finally.

New user here ^^. Must be added to the list !!  I love the phone very much !!

i actually tempted to get d itouch 4th gen as entertainment devices since my n900 no longer wif me ;(..

i at SG now..i went to apple store and play wif iphone 4 n itouch 4th yesterday..basically i getting bored wif iphone 4 since is d same thing wif itouch..but i quite impress wif the 5mp cam n d hd camera..very clear..but if put in pc dunno how d pic quality XP

in d same time i m impress wif itouch 4 HD recording as well except it being too many noise compare to iphone 4. but still image itouch is totally a craps.

and i laugh on malaysian who hyped up on iphone 4 this few day while i at SG can simply enter any shop and buy d iphone 4..hahaha

i actually tempted to get d itouch 4th gen as entertainment devices since my n900 no longer wif me ;(..

i at SG now..i went to apple store and play wif iphone 4 n itouch 4th yesterday..basically i getting bored wif iphone 4 since is d same thing wif itouch..but i quite impress wif the 5mp cam n d hd camera..very clear..but if put in pc dunno how d pic quality XP

in d same time i m impress wif itouch 4 HD recording as well except it being too many noise compare to iphone 4. but still image itouch is totally a craps.

and i laugh on malaysian who hyped up on iphone 4 this few day while i at SG can simply enter any shop and buy d iphone 4..hahaha