too attacking style and with Carra and Agger, I dont think much can change from this system

our best lineup IMO is

reina
johnson carra skrtel konchesky

lucas(he sux today but he play well against ManU last season)

gerrard cole Babel/Jova

Ngog
Torres

with Ngog playing width on right and Gerrard helping in centre

Based on what ive seen

Reina is an absolute legend. totally kept us in the match tonite with 3 world class saves. We are indeed very very lucky to have such a fantastic keeper like him. Would easily walk into any clubs in the world my man of the match for today.

our defence..Carra and Skrtel need to stop hoofing the ball upfield everytime when they get a chance to clear and hope Torres can conjure up some magic to score a goal. apart from that Carra look solid as usual and Skrtel needs to be dropped and replaced by Agger enough with one ball hoofer we dont need two! Agger is comfortable with the ball on his feet let him play for crying out loud! Konchesky my my...looked like he'd been playing in Liverpool for years didnt miss a step. hope he recovers quickly didnt look too serious he did walk out of the pitch ok. Johnson with usual bombing forward runs didnt stand out but he was ok decent

and now comes the midfield. I've never seen nor do not ever want to see such a dull, boring , dreary, unimaginative midfield combo of Lucas-Poulsen ever again..ever..both of them were mostly static with them passing to the back or to the nearest person available without making any runs into the box, yes they defended but you have duties on the offensive end as well! Christ nearly fell off my chair sleeping. and honest to god i hope that either one of them wont be playing again MU next week. coz the pairing lack mobility or imagination to even make a proper incisive pass forward! Meireles came on and look world class for that 15 mins with those late Lampard type of runs in the box. goodnes gracious im gobsmacked with the peformance of our midfield today seriously. Maxi had a shocker of a game. didnt take on his man nor put in any crosses into box at all maybe he did but i cant recall for a moment i thought Johnson was our RB and RW. Jova was impressive on the left wing with pace good game by his standards but as i mentioned cleared lacked support most of the time Konchesky was there to cover him and to provide width

Gerrard looked that he couldnt care less as usual with his body language, no proper support from midfield ended up with no proper service to Torres at all. all those long balls were easily cut off by the CB of Birmingham. still looks like he's finding he's feet Torres he had a poor game as well


We need creativity pace and mobility from our midfield to support our strikers, from what Meireles gives in that 15 mins he should slot right in against MU and Cole needs to start as well, with Kuyt out Babel needs to be playing on the wing, was it just me or did I see RH scratching his hair and chin looking clueless on what to do next?

Reina - 10/10 - We drew this match because of him

Johnson 7/10

Carra 7/10

Skrtel 6/10

Konchesky 8/10

Lucas 5/10

Poulsen 5/10

Jova 7/10

Maxi 5/10

Gerrard 6/10

Torres 6/10

SUBS

Meireles 8/10

Agger 7/10

atleast we DIN LOSE

next game, Europa match

can we win this time?

play Babel and Ngog and Pacheco

drop Torres, Poulsen and Lucas

All I can say is, you are very linear. I would easily give Lucas and Poulsen a 3....And that, I think is a too generous rating for them especially with that kind of performance.

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Added on September 13, 2010, 1:31 amThat kind of mentality for every match? Seriously? What the hell? Then we probably be getting 38 points when seasons end.... Half of what we get last season...Brilliant...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Sep 13 2010, 01:31 AM

you'd have ngog wide on the right?? seriously?


---------------reina--------------------

johnson---carra--skrtel--koncesky


------poulsen----gerrard----

-----------meireles---------------

kuyt--------------------------cole


-------------torres-----------------




this for me is our strongest line up in our squad right now.

I agree, rating players with points isnt one of my strongest forte' mate..

well thats one match under the carpet did by the way did we draw or lost at St Andrew's last season?

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Added on September 13, 2010, 1:39 amFIXED

This post has been edited by triple02: Sep 13 2010, 01:39 AM

We drew both matches against them last season... even when we played them at Anfield.

Gerrard on Right and most of the time Ngog on right to get the ball and dribble it .Torres must be leave alone and he need alot of space

i say replace hodgson instead,even after tat poor show at midfield he still did nothing,was he blind or wat?he looked clueless everytime the camera show his face

This post has been edited by kabuto rider kick: Sep 13 2010, 02:16 AM

Maybe the sun contributed to our shit display today

Players can't see shit with direct sunlight and Johnson missed a header that could have cost us

In summary, Reina was the only one i was happy with today

Reina
Johnson Carragher Agger Konchesky
Gerrard Meireles
Maxi Cole Ivanovic
Torres

This is what I hope to see against Man United. I have doubts for putting Babel as RW. IMO he only does well for the striker role. Last season when he played as winger he looks totally awful to me...Maxi, on the other hand, just had an off day today I think. From previous performances, he can really cross well and make an impact for our dire attacking options. Still the best option to replace Kuyt.

Subs were late. Mid was rubbish. Front was rubbish. Back was rubbish.
Cant even defend an aerial attack properly throughout the game.
Johnson and Lucas was utterly rubbish. Johnson made runs but stupid runs to the front. He cant even cross properly. And most of the times, he passes like shaits. And this is coming from the England's no.1 right back.
Konchesky on the other hand didnt made runs forward that often.
Two blondies were rubbish.
Maxi was rubbish.
Torres still in wonderland thinking whether he should come back for this game or the next.
Gerrard IMO did his sulking best.
Best player for me was Jova and Reina. Jova made runs and courageous runs forward WITHOUT losing the ball while enough have been said of Reina.
The rest of the playest bar Jova and Meireles was static throughout the game. Decision-making was the poorest where i could see most of the players taking their own sweet time with the ball and holding up play like a near-relegated team would do.

Hopefully with the addition of Cole next week, we'll be better. Well, anything's better than our play yesterday.

That's exactly the issue. These days we are playing not to lose when we should be playing to win especially against sides like WBA which we barely deserved to beat at home no less and no disrespect to them, but Birmingham as well. Against the latter we should have at least looked like we deserved a draw.

6 is a very generous rating for Johnson. I thought he deserved only a 4. We all know he's a little suspect at defending which he was but even his attacking game deserted him last night. His passes often went astray and he gave the ball away constantly. The only player that had worse eyesight was Lucas who at times appeared to be colour blind.

It would be a miracle to come out of old Trafford with anything less than a beating at this rate.

I don't think that Jova is that good last night. I would say that it was just a decent performance from him. He has a strong body, he has the pace but he really lacks of vision. Last night I could see that Konchesky making a run few times but there was no through pass to him from Jova. Other Liverpool players last night are really terrible except Reina. I thought, in RH time I won't see the same body languages as last season, but seems like I'm wrong. I also seems to be wrong on the late subs. I can't really see the different of tactic or formation of RH and RB. Using, the same 2 DM players, Lucas, and using the long ball hoping that the pass will get through the opponents defence. It's really like seeing the same liverpool as the last season. Nothing changed. Really dissapointed with RH.

And Torres performance last night really upset me. There are times when I thought we are playing without CF. At times, I can only see Maxi in the penalty box when there are crosses from the right and left flank. I can understand that Torres been mark tightly by the Birmingham but didn't expect him mostly to be outside of the box when the crosses are in. Maybe I have a high expectations from him to change the game. And last night, I hoping that Ngog will play. Really need his sense of positioning and to lessen the marking on Torres.

This post has been edited by de_sengal: Sep 13 2010, 08:15 AM

Just to reiterate, for an experience commentator like Martin Tyler to suggest that Reina's saved was reminiscent of the one made my Gordon Banks from Pele, speaks volumes of just how good it was. Banks was one of the finest keepers in the world and that save is still said to be the best ever made. No idea what I mean? Well let me make it easy for you.

it is nearly the same thing that reina saved yesterday.. just brilliant!!!

This post has been edited by CrossFirE: Sep 13 2010, 08:41 AM

October 6th, change the owners........i am not saying everything is G&Hs' fault...but just change the owner, and hopefully, so life will flow back to the whole club......

and then ship Poulsen and Lucas out, or never play them together again.....

Poulsen and Lucas shouldn't play again together in midfield! They are the same type of players...steady, back passes a lot and slowing down play. We only need one of them in any team, not two.

It should be Meireles and Poulsen/Lucas instead, or drop Gerrard back in the middle and play Babel/N'gog with Torres...I know both Poulsen & Lucas provides stability and possession in the middle, but we're suppose to bomb forward and start being more offensive.

This post has been edited by kazuki85: Sep 13 2010, 09:30 AM

my comment and observation was based on OUR material on the field last nite, wat more could you hope for yesterday's nite huh

YES, our team SUKS big, why? we hav world class players but they cant even gave a decent pass to our own players, wat more can u expect

where is our midfielders tat is suppose to pump those accurate shots for Torres to weave his magic?

wat did Poulsen and Lucas contributed?

Gerrard did tried his best, but he is no more Superman considering our opponent's defence is SOILD TIGHT

Reina did save our skin and RH 's skin too

But then again, you cant plame RH as his transfer kitty is limited, We would hav performed differenly if we hav a Essien or Carvalho in our side last nite.

Wat RH could do is to slot Mierles into midfield to partner Gerrard and utilise Babel/Pacheco on the left to pump in more shots for Torres/Ngog to do the magic. Get a better Right Back and move Johnson upfield.

On the other hand, Konchesky and Raul Meireles did pretty well when he come on...an all rounder midfielder like him is very welcomed in the rough and tough BPL, especially us!

More on Raul Meireles from a Portugese Journalist :

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This post has been edited by kazuki85: Sep 13 2010, 09:39 AM