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jeffvip
post Aug 5 2011, 10:34 AM

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ZenexByun is following me... that was so cool.... damn it. That's why I always support him

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post Aug 5 2011, 04:32 PM

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yea... I'm actually Slayers Cella. I have solve the mystery of Zerg d. Now is the time I need to come up kill the abusive build for those OP Toss.


Added on August 5, 2011, 4:37 pmNeed to jump completely to SC2 d. damn. Today's market red like hell... I Kena cut very deep. cry.gif

Tonight gotta starcraft all night long (Boxer vs Yellow in btwn of course). Any Terran wanna train TvT tonight? Let's blue flame it all the way

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post Aug 5 2011, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 5 2011, 04:45 PM)
lol, if we had happen to chat about econ b4, would have suggested you to withdraw ASAP....kinda called today's fall last week when we were in-class-debating US's decision to raise debt ceiling. did some research for that topic, market confidence is too low, drastic movements will just worsen the situation and make it happen faster :/ the only thing out of my prediction is it would react this fast...
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I really like my E&O.. I'm buying it at 1.25 and target the price reach 1.80. Now it comes down from 1.70 to 1.53. Maybe I should sell them now and buy lower? Or maybe I just hold for it to reach eventual(guessing of course) 1.80? What u think? Those PN17 stock I think I'm gonna throw away and absorb the losses. I m thinking of selling those dividend stock. It is holding my money and pay so little but will those dividend stock be a better choice if another crisis is to come? So many question I need to sort out b4 Monday 8.30am

QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Aug 5 2011, 06:36 PM)
jeffvip is so OP
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rclxub.gif I thought Toss is the only things OP here? Btw, r u switching to zerg?
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post Aug 6 2011, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 6 2011, 08:31 AM)
lol all stalkers.

-jeff, pm ba. off topic but actually there must be some forumers here who works in this industry lol.
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dont have to la... just for the sake of discussion...

QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Aug 6 2011, 08:47 AM)
well i been to master league twice~ nothing to b afraid off~ i just wanna try the UP race instead the other 2 OP race
u guyz should switch to protoss since u guyz r like stalkers
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stalking in sc2 really easy... just hit the friends button in the ladder tab, everything shown...

Oh, ya. I prefer OP race, why wanna make myself difficult? tongue.gif

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post Aug 11 2011, 07:29 PM

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Dont rely on space bar... I try to use a few times, it always direct me to the barrack which I produce army. u dont have even 1 sec to spend in this kind of situation
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post Aug 12 2011, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 12 2011, 03:00 PM)
good news!!! the 1-1-1 allin work for TvZ as well now... MKP jz beat slayersyugioh with it =p
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Thats why I use Terran.So OP, No sweat. Don't have to QQ like P

QUOTE(blurr00 @ Aug 12 2011, 03:20 PM)
noob reporting. i just got pwned by speedlings. try blue flame hellion oso kena pwned. today kena pwned speedlings only 4 times in a row. now i think zerg is OP. hahahaha -.-
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Aug 12 2011, 03:31 PM)
this is so true

but speedlingz, u shud wall off.
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Flampard is right. Walling is a must until Siege Tank is out. Make that a habit
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post Aug 12 2011, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 12 2011, 06:23 PM)
wall off, mass blue flame.

i've nvr seen blue flame lose to speedling on even foot. HELL even 1 base BFH vs 2 base speedling also speedling lose 99, a good BFH opening will definitely force roach if not auto gg.
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well, sometime I miss my timing abit, mass roaches drown me... feel so "silver" like losing. T.T
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post Aug 13 2011, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Aug 13 2011, 12:54 AM)
terran~ they just massacre watever things i throw to them~ OP
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you are a Terran too, for now rclxms.gif
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post Aug 14 2011, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 13 2011, 08:37 PM)
IMO if want to evaporate gateway unit wif pure MM, you need to

-outnumber (same number of gateway unit own MM cuz protoss units are stronger and more expensive)
-outupgrade (obvious?)

(with ghost, it will be easier )
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Recently I like to do alot of drops upon fighting those OP Death Ball of Protoss. The fact is that we cannot easily outnumbered or out-upgrade the toss with chrono on their side. Drop 1 or 2 medivacs on their mineral line everytime I engaged their death ball. Eventhough most likely Terran army will lose a huge battle with storm n laser shooting at your bio but u cannot believe how huge those drops deal economical, tech and psychological damage to Protoss player. The usually choose to all-in to my main (then rage gg bcos the dont have the reinforcement warp in) or choose to return to base to defend but too far behind by then.

I love seeing those Toss QQ bout drops b4 rage quit, makes me feel my multitasking is really improving. tongue.gif


QUOTE(westley0214 @ Aug 14 2011, 02:39 PM)
The hard part normally is the one control group syndrome which prevents you from stimming. Need to press tab then only T.

Damn it need to rearrange control group better nowadays as Protoss are so OP they force Ghost from Terrans instead of 1TA.
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I prefer to numbered my MMM in hotkey1 and ghost in hotkey 2. Always EMP 1st, then press 1, press T, split it into at least 3 portion. I feel is easier than using Tab then T. I tried Tab but my control went horribly wrong and lose 99.

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post Aug 14 2011, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Aug 14 2011, 04:15 PM)
Agreed. Multitasking like a boss as a Terran is the most satisfying experience. When your multitask is near to those Korean pros? Nerdgasm! (Sorry to say this but Toss, your FF skill ceiling is nothing).
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Talk bout multitasking, have you see the dropship pick-up micro Select do against Huk.

http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/tournamen...2/video-archive

His drop to create a better concave and to use those ff against zealot is insane. Only if I have those APM. (game 2)


note: When engaging toss death ball, without affecting macro, shift-drop then a t is pretty hard to do.

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post Aug 16 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Aug 16 2011, 08:48 AM)
i think u need go to sc2 wikia or TL to get more info about infestor

this happen when u a move stimmed marines too much coz u dun even know wat other unit does when they just melt to ur marines
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that statement show that u r still new as a Terran. A move only in TvP. A move in TvZ means death to baneling, nobody A move vs zerg
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post Aug 22 2011, 10:49 AM

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I like Terran thread, so casual here. U can discuss everything under the sun here.


1-1-1 is becoming so trend now, then are you guys using it against Toss on the ladder?
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post Aug 22 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Aug 22 2011, 11:34 AM)
it is already widely used in ladder~ i m glad i switch race so that i doesnt need to see such awful build everytime face terran
8/10 terran use it how imba is that
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Let's hear some enjoyment story here from Terran instead of QQ of 1-1-1 build.

Myself I don't really have 1-1-1 exp bcos I m not doing this build although I keep saying how imba late game Protoss are. Still prefer to enjoy long macro game. Is fun that this build become so trendy now that I always try to trick Toss with like I'm going to 1-1-1 then I take off my scv from gas to mine mineral only for 1 rax FE.

QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 22 2011, 11:46 AM)
you are playing terran right? this is sufficient.
ANYWAY

well, if you find yourself having nothing to do for a sec, like enjoying the battle and all.....you are doing it wrong, do wtv you can with your mouse to minimize the loss and turn the tide. its called micro.
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Hey quest, u troll ppl...

1-A certainly means u r using bio, actually splitting your army into at least 3 portion to create a better arc/concave change the outcome of the battle significantly. So don't just 1-A when you have a heavy mass of MMM.


Added on August 22, 2011, 12:28 pm
QUOTE(ASAP @ Aug 22 2011, 11:42 AM)
Hi,

I recently started to play Starcraft 2 and wondering what is the best way to micro during battle. Usually, I just right click and A during the battle and hope all the best.

1. Is there any better way?
2. Will it be better to do a formation before going into battle? If yes, how to ensure when all diff units walk in formation to the battle? e.g.: 8 SCVs behind the Thor and Marine in front?
3. I have seen pro in replay that they can separate few batches of marines in second when counter by Baneling? How to do that?

Thanks.
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Q2, always let 1 of your marine lead the way. So you wont be suprise by storm or baneling suddenly. SCV move faster than thor n marine. So u need to stop scv movement for a while to let marine n thor to catch up.

Q3, practice and practice. box a few marine each time. direct every group of marine to go completely different direction.

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post Aug 22 2011, 09:20 PM

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Damn it, try 1-1-1, got pawned hard... I suck big time.


Added on August 22, 2011, 9:21 pm
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 22 2011, 07:34 PM)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=257589

very good analysis on the OPness of 1/1/1 by gisado
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this kind of toss QQ shouldnt post in Terran thread... so what are you trying to say here? Ask us to stop 1-1-1 or encourage us to do it?

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post Aug 26 2011, 01:24 PM

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Any terran here can provide new TvT mech play BO? I lose TvT too much d... getting BM while lose. damn mad.gif
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post Aug 26 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Aug 26 2011, 02:13 PM)
Why u no go the classic tanks vikings...

whoever gets the containment first wins..!!!

1/1/1 build then exp...dun forget to use viking as harrasment (land vikings at mineral line)
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early containment works at small map but map like tal darim n antiga this doesnt work well. so better focus on macro BO to improve the chance of winning
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post Aug 29 2011, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Aug 29 2011, 02:07 AM)
lol from platinum kena demote to gold league, at gold league still lose somemore... i really suck..

there was this dude who tried to ling rush me...but i already wall off so he cant enter then i saw some protoss tried to cannon rush me so i wall down and use my marine to kill it suddenly the lings came from no where and rush in after wall down..4 min gg...:rage:
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 29 2011, 02:17 AM)
if ur trying to marine rush and still thinking of maintaining a good win rate to stay in plat and gold, its a bad idea. learn to play.
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He is playing team league. Stop it and play the real game dude. 1v1. Only with 1v1 u can truly learn the amazing of SC. Timing, Harassment, Build Order, Multitasking is those things who makes SC so fun. You dont need to learn n do those thing in team game, so u will eventually grow bored of sc2 if you just stay at team game only. Never afraid to start from Bronze. I start from Bronze fyi...

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post Aug 29 2011, 08:23 PM

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the higher rank i go, the lower my ability to win a TvT. My mech BO is very weak certainly, always outplayed by another mech BO player. Damn, I just too static

My TvZ win is certainly averaging the loss of my TvT. Really recommend reactor hellion opening build. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 1 2011, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Seeker_of_Truths @ Sep 1 2011, 06:06 AM)
So far the best Terran strategy is to not choose Terran.
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wtf? r u evofantasy 2nd account?
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post Sep 7 2011, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Home Made Cookies @ Sep 7 2011, 07:56 PM)
Team leagues have their set of strategy and 1v1 have their set of strategy. It's wrong to just say that team league is some cheap battles that only comprising nothing but rushes. A lot of unique strategy that are in team league are not in 1v1s and likewise. Thus I do agree with you one point that, to improve in 1v1, you have to play 1v1 and likewise for team league, unless you are talking about mechanics, which both helps a lot.
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Are you in diamond? Just curious. Hellions/Reapers/Early marines are the only way Terran can secure map control early game thus it is always recommended to go for either one of these 3. Reapers tend to get useless (unless you plan to use them for scout and harrassing) thus hellions is a more viable choice as in the late game, the hellions can still rack a lot of damage. Tanks are very immobile, abuse it with drops, counter attacks if possible, or just nuke so that you get a positional advantage. It's really hard to explain it in words tho.

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Glad to see those reply.

R1,
I really don't rate team game, too bad. Maybe Nestea+MMA vs MC+MVP will change my perception towards team game. tongue.gif

R2,
I like your question. Even I'm wondering myself what is my real TvT level. low Plat maybe? I'm trying to do a blue flame opening + viking now. I did analyze my replays and found some weakness.
i) not Macro well with mech, (too much gas or too much mineral)
ii) hard to break tanks contain
iii) poor ability to defend drops
iv) not micro well enough with mech army. (hellion, tank, vking & raven). maybe its my apm problem
v) slow in expanding to 4th & 5th base.
vi) maybe not enough harassment from me

TvZ is the only one thing keeping me in diamond.

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