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jeffvip
post Sep 7 2011, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Sep 7 2011, 10:10 PM)
really good players shine in tvt because theres no racial imbalance and you cant exploit timings. in mirror match up, everyone is fair, no1 started wif advantage, its really up to ur skill to win ur opponent.

jeff, if you want to win only, learn Slayers_onebase. 1-1-1 marine sieged tank cloak banshee crawl.
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one base no adrenaline rush le.

one base timing is like tfk. no fore-play, no special style, no partner interaction and no superb satisfying feeling. wub.gif
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post Sep 16 2011, 11:05 PM

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The worst feeling ever... Getting roach rush n total bm, second game meet him again but he switch to protoss. I 1/1/1 all in and lose again. Getting owned so hard
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post Sep 17 2011, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Sep 16 2011, 11:27 PM)
worst feeling ever~ knowing 1 1 1 coming but still hopeless infront the banshee marine tank raven~ sad.gif
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getting 1/1/1 by the same guy twice (the next game) and getting BM is the worst feeling. Experience that b4?

QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 17 2011, 01:39 AM)
yea, almost got pwned by a plat with 1 1 1,,what a joke,lol
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almost means u win. haha. so is defendable tongue.gif

QUOTE(Nandeska @ Sep 17 2011, 04:16 AM)
well said brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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but something so desperate we need to do that also cry.gif
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post Sep 17 2011, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Sep 17 2011, 11:55 AM)
owned by a same player 4 times in a row and bmed~ hell yeah
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that sux. I will leave my game totally and go to play mahjong straight away. U really a tough guy. I will quit like on the 2nd or 3rd time the most
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post Sep 17 2011, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Sep 17 2011, 12:08 PM)
4 a guy who ladder casually 10-20 games perday and 30-75 games on weekend like me~ such streak and bm never meant much to me thou~
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em... heavy ladder guy tougher. flex.gif but 75 games is it too much?
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post Sep 18 2011, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Sep 18 2011, 11:33 AM)
so sad for protoss. as all the pros had said, protoss need to guess in PvT

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take huge risk just to even out...

cuz its like, you need to go for a specific build to win 1-1-1, but ur opponent can just fake a 1-1-1 and punish you.

a nice little TvP build for fellow terran brethen.

1 rax gas build, hide ur 2nd rax at far end of ur base. float ur 1st rax away and make reactor. make a bunker in front, show only marines at ur ramp. 2nd rax wif techlab research stimpack, then grenade. push out at 50 food with 10 scv.

if the protoss went for a 1 gate fe into robo, impossible he can hold.
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Thorzain did that in the dreamhack match against LiquidHero this morning but only with 3scv to gain economy advantage... Totally own Hero. and barely lose to DRG. I really like Thorzain. wub.gif

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post Sep 19 2011, 06:43 PM

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as long as u never afraid to lose. there are always a confidence to play 1v1. Start with bronze league of course... I'm playing my SEA account as serious account and NA as a cheese account. Whenever I was facing losing streak in SEA, I will just switch to NA to release tension. NA imo is "noob"er than SEA. go NA 1st if you don't have confidence. u will get bored of sc eventually by only playing team game.
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post Sep 19 2011, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 19 2011, 06:45 PM)
i find NA players more pro, dunno is it i got major delay there make i always lose @@
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haha, master in NA better maybe? certainly not diamond & below
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Sep 19 2011, 10:28 PM)
who scare lose?
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wtf with that picture? cant u put a lenglui picture? mad.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Sep 20 2011, 02:27 AM)
okok taikor say change i change
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nice! u can change to other lenglui picture too if u want wub.gif

QUOTE(seraph8660 @ Sep 20 2011, 12:29 PM)
But my oppenent's roaches will reach my base appx. 5:30min. By tat time I only got few merauders. And owes outnumbered by his roaches. =.=
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u need to stay at high ground, produce an arc. In fact, 2 marauder at the high ground with depot wall-in u should have no problem to defend it. Make sure you got enough scv to repair the depot, Marauder have longer range so they can stay behind scv and still enough range to shoot the roaches. This should be good enough to scare off the roaches. By that timing, tank should be out in the middle of the battle and that will be enough to defend roach rush. Making bunker is good but I feel mineral is more important in TvZ compare to TvT & TvP so is better to save up that 100 mineral if possible
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post Sep 21 2011, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 20 2011, 11:01 PM)
this one i know, thats why i said its OP as hell
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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Sep 21 2011, 08:45 AM)
terran called it balanced~ so play the game the way it is
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Zerg also did find a way to utilize this ai. like zergling just hit the stop button on the mineral line to kill off the worker on the mineral line.

btw why are u guy still playing protoss if u keep complaining bout how weak protoss is. u dont like that company, just quit and join other company. you guy don't need to be the 1 who is trying to save it.

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post Sep 21 2011, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Sep 21 2011, 12:52 PM)
4 games in a row i keep getting slightly favored opponent...
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good... gogogo..


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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 21 2011, 10:05 AM)
wait why are u stopping lings? u loose so much DPS since lings have such high atk speed (especially cracklings)...
u only do that with zealots or DTs...
not to mention when u run lings into mineral line, it is basically GG usually...
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is to prevent zergling to attack any army unit and just concentrate to do damage on the worker. Check out some spanishiwa play.

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post Sep 21 2011, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 21 2011, 02:09 PM)
i am assuming the terran is dumb enuff to leave his scvs afking there? LOL

hold shift and click as i mentioned before...
no micro, no profit...
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'hold shift click' is good for low number of zergling while 'stop' is better for a larger group of zergling
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post Sep 21 2011, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Sep 21 2011, 06:15 PM)
LOL

but still

i mean they might choose to go for planetary fortress right
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usually terran got at least 2 OC b4 goin for planetary fortress. but i did meet some 1 did choose planetary. haha. and you know what. he won that game against me doh.gif
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post Sep 21 2011, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Sep 21 2011, 07:43 PM)
planetary fortress rush ?

if someone can do that gotta be epic shit mang, i failed to do that even against easy AI
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nope.. he do that to close down my blue flame hellion drop. he is going for MMM all in against my mech army so there are abit logic with his play
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post Sep 21 2011, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Sep 21 2011, 08:08 PM)
well, i think what jeff meant earlier was run by ling to min line then press hold position. even in GSL game u see that. because when u have a troop of 30 lings, its not effective to right click 1 by 1, if u press hold position, they will attack those scv who pass by them. but u can do it for like 2-3 sec only cuz opponent will run their scv away.

the good ol problem of PvT, no good way of scouting/dectector.
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i just give it up to continue ling conversation. u know, evo will just counter everything i said.


I pity protoss too everytime need to guess.
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post Sep 22 2011, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 22 2011, 03:05 AM)
i dont want to learn TvT and TvZ from the start, consider i never watch TvT and TvZ gsl cast stream whatever shit related to them lol

well, now, i think every race is kinda balance, but the ai of terran is kinda OP

i hate guessing as well, stupid thor rush, always lost to it when i tot it is 1 1 1, as i mentioned, terran ai OP scvs keep repairing thor, not to forget stupid helions drop and rush when my ob only half way thru the map
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u must be saving a lot of time this season to do other more meaningful thing. Maybe next season too. congratz. haha. but My favourite MU to watch is TvT so I have to subscribed to watch it all pulak sad.gif 9.99 USD for just watching stream. But HQ is nice rclxms.gif


I totally hate Thor rush. I lose to Thor rush everytime. SCV just can keep the Thor alive even with tank shooting at them. The worst part is I fail to do Thor rush everytime. My scv will all dead repairing the Thor doh.gif must be my micro problem.
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post Sep 22 2011, 10:41 PM

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after 1.4 patch.

game1,
blue flame opening getting owned by marine,I lose air advantage. gg

game2,
both go mech, split map scenario (42 minutes game) but I transition faster to air. 10 ravens were produced. 1 Seeker missile got 16 vikings kill at the end. Achievement earned. Exciting. TvT is so dynamic. love it

game3,
normal PvT, toss didnt go for immortal n warp prism play. but double drop of mine is noticeably slower by bout 20 seconds. usually my drops will arrive at 9 minutes mark. feel nothing so significant different bout TvP yet.

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post Sep 23 2011, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 23 2011, 01:43 AM)
3gate proxy-robo immortal allin over proxy stargate now?
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 23 2011, 02:58 AM)
pvt, proxy gateway in xelnaga carvern is made easily, consider barrack build time has 5 sec increased @@
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success in ladder?
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Sep 23 2011, 10:01 AM)
seems like very risky build
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I think it might work. Immortal is good against marauder, tank n bunker. maybe need a observer to spot high ground. with slower rax & orbital command, a rush of this build might be deadly

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