ssup dude, why u played zerg yesterday night? I still remember u say "live as protoss, die as protoss".

u got a nice reaction, throw up spine immediately.

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Jul 1 2011, 08:50 AM

u wanna hide your true skill isn't it... u r a cunning fellow.. hehe

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Added on July 1, 2011, 9:21 amso whats your league in kr? i m not gonna believe the bronze bs ya...

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Jul 1 2011, 09:21 AM

west, july 23 season 3 start... we r gonna be apart

no DIamond yet. but most likely Bz will seperate us in a different division on platinum itself. So nice to have some1 I know in the same league as I'm

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Jul 4 2011, 08:47 AM

oo.. thx for the idea

I think the same old words "constantly scout". Scan the opponent base on the 2nd 50 energy or 3rd 50 energy depends on how unsafe u feel. make sure your scv is moving around the map and poke at opponents front once a while. Getting a reaper might be a good choice too. Early TvT, u need to know whether is early siege tank pressure, blue flame hellion, mass bio,mass drop, harassment banshee (either rush or delayed), mass cloak banshee build or just pure simple 1 rax FE.

Getting an early Viking is a good defensive choice, u can spot siege tank, kill banshee, prevent drops and additional scouting on opponent's base. But I prefer 2rax 1factory opening (early siege tank pressure) and that's usually threaten heavily by mass cloak banshee cheese alot.

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Added on July 5, 2011, 8:54 amIt feels a lot nicer to have a friends inside the same division, really. Sometimes I can monitor his winning rate when I'm waiting for a game to start. hehe

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Jul 5 2011, 08:56 AM

exactly, I go for early containment at his natural. Trying to delayed his expansion time as much as possible while I run my natural on my own. Btw I will only go for this build on smaller maps.

have u successfully use ghost to defend against BL? btw, ghost are more immobile, harder to produce and more expensive. I'm thinking to train my ghost skill as well. A good counter against Infestor too

Nothing wrong start with Bronze, every1 needs a learning curve. I start from bronze too

Whats is the difference btwn a good zerg player vs a bad zerg player is their mutalisk. Muta is very effective in mid game and mid-late game. Great zerg player, the muta never stop moving

For early muta,
Try to watch replays, get to know the usual timing of mutalisk pop out under undisturbed and disturbed condition (your T aggresiveness). Prepare the engineering bay b3fore that and get at least 1 turret when mutalisk in on their way.

For mid game muta,
Try to know the exact number of muta, if the muta is in big number (>16). U need to go heavy on turret (more than 3) and Thors at your mineral patch to defend when you are pushing. Always prepare your scv to repair the Thor and turret

Sometimes u need to harass zerg itself to keep their muta busy instead of them keep buggering u. Make small group of marine or hellion to go around the map. Be the aggressor, usually it is more effective and more fun

u mean u r playing team games only? then go tier 1 unit and attack together at 6 minutes mark. this is team game

I switch to protoss then zerg in the beginning of the game, but only to find out that the background music of ALIEN is dull. Then I switch back to Terran for (a lot) better background music. Like that only got omp ma, music brings emotion and exciting element to the game play. That's why Terran is the my chosen race despite being the weakest race...

ps: troll post obviously

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Jul 15 2011, 08:37 AM

Archon cant be kite... The new TvP style if you wanna stay bio based is to go early ghost and stay heavy on ghost. EMP them like crazy. After Ghost out of energy, target fire them on zealot. Get 8 to 10 Ghost, yummy.

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Terran is the best bcos of the background music la dey

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Jul 15 2011, 03:40 PM

cool , where can I watch this replay?


I cannot remember the last time I win a PvT in a macro game, 3 months ago maybe. Gotta go starport strart d

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Jul 15 2011, 06:13 PM

I tried but getting owned. Something wrong with me, maybe not enough apm to pull this through.

bcos need to control positioning of raven, cloak banshee & marine. If Marine stand too front will be burn off by Colo and Banshee stand too in front pulak got pawn by stalker. So basically need to push raven in front, pdd, banshee comes in, cloak, banshee target fire colo, marine come in, marine spread, marine look for obs. (It seems to me like got a lot of things to do) haiz, + my computer lag pulak... wait for the upcoming bulldozer to help me.

yoyo... new Zerg killing build by SlayerS(blue flame hellion, marine & medivacs) in MLG Anaheim

SlayerS's TvZ strat

Description of Opening:

1. Standard opening w/ 10 depot 12 rax 15 orbital/marine
2. Reactor on barracks first then swap it to factory after 3-4 marines
3. 4 Hellions out of reactor factory and wall off with command center
4. When last two hellions start build a techlab on factory
5. Swap factory and barracks again and start blue flame
6. Train a few more marines out of reactor, send out hellions for light/moderate harass, start starport
7. Focus on saving the hellions and not over committing, you will need as many as possible later and remember to repair them as well
8. Keep pumping hellions while researching blue flame and swap it back to reactor when blue flame is done, remember to expand when your command center/orbital is done
9. Train one medivac and put your 7-8 marines in it then move out with all of your hellions

Execution of the main timing attack:

1. You keep the marines in the medivac so that they can keep up with the hellions
2. Pick off any scouting lings with the hellions when you move out
3. Start stim and adding on more barracks at your main
4. Pick a spot to elevator at in the zerg main or natural, it should bea clif that's fairly far away from a ramp and out of range of any nearby spine crawlers
5. Move the hellions up next to the cliff so that they will be in range to roast any lings that try to camp your dropship
6. Drop the marines and then gradually elevator up the hellions
7. Focus on avoiding spinecrawlers and moving behind mineral lines to create better choke points for funneling zerglings
8. Because you're dropping away from the front spine crawlers will most likely be forced to re-burrow to be in range of your units, when they move focus them with your marines and the odd hellion shot
9. Do as much economic damage as you can, more often than not the losses inflicted will be enough to win against the average zerg, make sure you keep on top of scv and unit production back at your main, research combat shield if your attack lasts long enough for stim to finish and continue hellion/medivac production

Description of follow-up:

1. Your early hellion harass and timing attack will probably do enough damage to cripple the zerg beyond repair, however if you mis-microed and lost too many units to spines or getting surrounded you're not completely out of the game
2. You should have gotten stim and combat shield during your attack and kept up a fair amount of unit production, you should also have at least four barracks, 1 with a techlab and 3 without add ons
3. If you fell behind in marine production because you got distracted just keep producing them until you get a good ball of 20 or more going, you should also have 3-5 medivacs depending on if you saved that initial one or if you kept on top of production, if you already have a lot of marines slam out 3 more reactors on your barracks to stream in marines
4. Move out once you have a good chunk of marines and more blue flame hellions and try to throw down your third command center right before you get ready to move out
5. As your pushing out for your second big attack feel free to add on the 2 gas at your expansion and drop more factories or starports depending on what tech path you want to go towards, either tanks and thors for a serious mech push later, or more starports for some kind of tricky banshee harass to further frustrate your opponent, OR just add more rax/2 engineering bays/a ghost academy to stick with heavy MMM play and ghost support
6. When you move out you definitely want your hellions and marines in a separate control group, and maybe even your medivacs to keep them from getting sniped by queens as you attack move around.
7. Your strategy for attacking with this later push should be as follows
a. Your marines are you primary dps against bigger things like queens/buildings/spine cralwers/roaches
b. If you run into hellions stim your marines away and split if you can but you should be using your hellions to kite the banelings, this is why they need to be in different control groups. You don't want the hellions to tank the banelings, you want them to try and kite them but still survive with a few because you will need the hellions to scare off large clumps of speedlings
c. Keep streaming in marines and hellions from your main, the reactors should finish around the time your push his, depending on the map size
d. Add on whatever extra tech structures you want and lift off to your third if you find a lull in the battle
e. Your primary targets are drones and tech buildings but chances are this will either kill or get terribly crushed if you waited too long or really messed up the early elevator push
f. If even this push ends in a stalemate you might want to lean towards ghost tech to help out against the very popular infestor play and don't forget to take precautions against mutas

noted : heavy roaches play is say to counter this build, but I think Terran can easily transition into Marauder build after this aggressive opening

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Aug 1 2011, 02:35 PM

SC & LYN is gonna miss u... take care

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Aug 1 2011, 07:55 PM

added... Teh

u might want to ignore this build currently... just focus on improving your basic mechanics of TvZ like timing, marine, tank 1st. Without certain micro& mechanics, this build will be own hard by pure roaches (which is common on > Silver level)

btw, muta is not good to defend (especially against Marine). In this case, Terran is the aggressor so Zerg need units to defend. Micro is the ability to control small amount of unit to create the best result. Like avoiding baneling with marine or move-attack-move to kill a probe with just 1 marine.