QUOTE(LoNeLy-Zhai @ Aug 25 2010, 01:46 AM)
pretty common and successful; during beta =pThe Zerg Strategy v1.0, Cheer for the overmind!
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Aug 25 2010, 04:08 PM
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Aug 25 2010, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 25 2010, 04:36 PM) reapers are only useful if you plan to sneak and utilize the cliff to gain advantage and use hit n run tactic. seriously no offense, go watch IEM and see how reapers are used...10 reapers vs 20 speedlings in an open space is sure bye bye to the reapers because of their low hp. I think it's dangerous if terran only plan to produce reapers to counter zerglings ... hellion probably is a better options. but still i did wipe out my enemy who use hellion + marine combo with swarm of speedlings before. because hellion need to get from factory, by the time he produce 5 hellions, I already have 50 speedlings waiting outside of his base. btw, I am indeed a Zerg player, and I often lose as well. I'm not saying Zerg are strong, it just to me that Zerg always have the advantage on early game, and pretty much bye bye if the Zerg player can't utilize that. Normally Zerg player who can win in late game is because he/she out-resource of his/her opponent or probably out-skill as well. If equal resources wise, I don't think Zerg late units are that good ... everything u have been saying is just plain wrong |
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Aug 25 2010, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 25 2010, 04:57 PM) That's because he's a good skill player and reaper is imba. Reaper are scary once they sneak into your mineral line ... coz they can tore down crawler very fast, if they target your drone and hatchery ... then you are gone as well. the new terran style of reaper play DO NOT go for ur mineral line.... . . However, I'm talking about generally Zerg in early game. If my opponent go reaper, means he have to sacrifice his marine and marauder, which make me have certain advantage as well. it go after ur queen and ur units wearing u down while he pump more reapers with nitro upgrade on the way... once the critical number is reached, he can 1 shot almost anything while micro-ing it away from damage... the reaper is for containment, not harassment (well it does harass ur queen and ur army LOL)... unless u are tarson that used his reaper to harass the mineral line and got wtfbbqpwned losing 10 reapers in the process, that's nt the way to utilize reapers... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 25 2010, 05:06 PM |
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Aug 25 2010, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 25 2010, 05:07 PM) my point is reapers are conditional and need good skill player. if it is that good, all Terran players sure produce reapers most the game already. reapers opening are really really really fast...as a Zerg player, I'm not scare of other races during early game, except another Zerg player. Want to swarm me with tier 1 units? Let's see my zerglings better or your marines/zealots better. Want to go for reapers? then your base is quite open and I might tech to hydra waiting for you, or I even do a 10 pool rush. My opponent need to gather quite some gas b4 reapers can come out ... unless he's a very good defense player, else my speedlings already swarm to his base and surround his barrack. it dun follow the conventional 9supply opening for terrans... usually reapers would be out hitting u crazy before u can even start ur roach tech wut more hydras... |
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Aug 25 2010, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 25 2010, 05:14 PM) thats the thing, hes using reapers TO RAPE THE QUEEN, RAPE THE ROACH, RAPE THE DAMN BASE EVERYTHING. tell that to tarson, he lost 10 reapers LOLnot just the mineral line, YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 25 2010, 05:17 PM |
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Aug 25 2010, 05:19 PM
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Aug 25 2010, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 25 2010, 05:19 PM) I'm not saying reapers are not annoying ... but still nothing compare to late game units of toss and terran. u should realize 1 thing...once my hydra army was wipe out by the collosus + void ray + a few stalker or something. resource wise, I think we are equal, and suppose hydra should kick air units ass right? well ... it's wrong ... the void ray fry my hydra like some pan cakes. so after that, I find reapers aren't that scary after all. no matter how good ur mid/ late game is, when u are contained and constantly shot at its over for u... often if u play against pro, they'll go for a early game victory and carry the momentum to the end... Added on August 25, 2010, 5:23 pm QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Aug 25 2010, 05:20 PM) whitebox is how u own poor angry american with reapersfixed for u This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 25 2010, 05:23 PM |
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Aug 25 2010, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 25 2010, 05:25 PM) dont know if you get it, THERE IS NO LATE GAME. he's american according to the IEM player profile =pplease, watch the game between morrow and idra. #1 and #2 of the latest intel IEM tournament. first price is 5k USD. total prize pot is 15k usd. definitely not small fry tourney. (korean got told by KESPA, or he may be able to wtfpwn the scene! /QQ) Added on August 25, 2010, 5:25 pm idra is british yo XD |
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QUOTE(Ash @ Aug 25 2010, 05:35 PM) IdrA is American. Please stop making silly comparisons, instead of debating which tier 1 unit combo is better how about we get serious and start discussing about strategy instead? u gotta accept the way reapers are being played to come up with a strategy over it...assuming the 5 rax reaper style, ntg much u can do unless u can get a surround before the critical mass... else, stick to 1 base roach like idra vs tarson semis but that is very very close as well relying ur opponent to mis-micro... and 5 tech rax would get marauders out pretty fast for ur roaches... Added on August 25, 2010, 5:43 pm QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 25 2010, 05:41 PM) just because some pro players lose using Zerg, then suddenly everyone conclude Zerg is the weakest race in the universe. even morrow aka winner of IEM 2010 agreed that reaper opening are just too strong on zerg...I'm still quite enjoy using Zerg no matter it wins or lose in any competition, since myself is just a casual player. I'm not saying the game is perfectly balance, but Zerg wasn't that weak as most other ppl see it. If you think reapers are flawless, then why don't you start to use Terran and kick Zerg player's ass (such as me) using reapers? Then you will enjoy the fruit of victory. and i cant think of a way to overcome it unless the terran make a mismicro... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 25 2010, 05:43 PM |
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 26 2010, 03:50 AM) one thing about zerg la, in order to to i think 2 base would be more than enuff for mutas usually O.osince more hatch = more larvae LOL... and get lings for mutalings!!!! |
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 26 2010, 02:30 PM) I do notice zerg not much things to upgrade ... most ppl juz pump units none stop ... but i see computer, they always make evolution chamber one ... there's so much to upgrade besides the +/+ upgrades...probably it's good ... but 1 baneling cost 50m 25g ... expensive T_T hydras range, speed of various units, armor for ultras and so forth |
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 26 2010, 04:44 PM) ehh, till now i never make any queen or creep tumor. if u 6 pool me and i loose i sure rage quit...i say liao, my zerg skill very basic. don't make me feel more embarass like some zerg i ladder with last nite (diamond), 6 pooled me on lost temple without even scouting me!!! either he damn kai due to spawn location or he MH =( |
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 26 2010, 04:53 PM) ok i learn something new today. never used queen yet. the stockpiling is really good in the late game when u are rich...i'm so used to the queen of the old SC. i miss that fella. send ur army to trade with ur opponents... then using ur stockpiled 50+++ larvae spam ultras and send the 2nd wave while he is trying to rebuild =p |
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