Have you all seen the replay between Ace and Idra? My goodness, Idra is a solid Zerg player and Ace just made a fool of him

ya, as i said........normally i go hydra roach...but recently seen a couple of zergs go mutaling so i just try you can get btr map control with mutaling, so safer to mass expand, unlilke hydra roach, you cant leave your creep....but mutaling cant take any ground army of protoss, its just a strat to stall into late game....

yeah...when u mass muta...opp tend to mass stalkers...
that's when your lings come into play...

ok noted...with mutas, i generally would be very very aggressive..then,the opponent would put cannons around their base.like, mass cannons...would banelings be good against it,or should i just wait n defend against their push,then do counter-attack?

Moon looks pretty good in IEM or the skill gap is just too big?

ZvZ is the stupidest matchup ever

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If you manage to get mutas before your opponent, and if your base is still intact, you win the zvz normally

hydras and infestors are too slow. you could have done the economic damage.

u no see him stream, u no tok cock

u see him play, u laugh kok at urself for making this statement

dont . change to the OP Terran . mmm . sidge tank + marine  . will win most of the games

hmm.......normally what do you all do in Shattered Temple/Metalopolis/delta close spawn location ZvP. i 15 hatch 15 pool gas and after all the speed, drone, queen jazz.....its about time my opponent slowly pylon wall up his low ground into expo (3 gate sentry expo) i will have about 35-45 supply wif decent drone and some poking lings in front. but now protoss left me speechless and dno what to do next.

i can bet wif my nuts after expo it will be 6 gate all in wif sentry, maybe wif +1 timing attack also.

but i dno what to do next. some will say roaach all in but it doesnt work ALL THE TIME and if dmg is not enuf, their probe count will be sky high. decent control of FF can really defend for long enuf until 1 void ray is out.....i tried a few variation, doesnt assure more than 50% win rate :/

i read in playxp, they recommended burrow baneling.....if you noe its a 6/7 gate all in without robo, (maybe they will even use twilight blink later in the game), just burrow baneling, if can take out the sentry ball, its auto win wif ur sling surround and runby. but when i tried it, his push came earlier than my burrow T.T (i sneaked a 3rd b4 turning into lair but for me its standard expand timing, cuz toss turning 2 base)

nydus seemed possible but too cheesy? maybe win rate wont be high too....and he might just base trade...

I DNO WAT TO DO LA, CLOSE SPAWN 2 base gateway ALL IN SO IMBA

if its cross spawn, i can double expand at both left and right base like DRG/FD style, then stay at tier 1/1.5 wif mass army and larvae to drag till mid game 4 base v 2 base.

or

2 base muta into mass expand sling flood....cuz he cant punish my muta tech fast enuf.....

its a 3 gate sentry expand, but all toss will throw down a forge at his front expo.

lol, which toss is ball enuf to forge FE against zerg in close spawn XD

anyway off discussion abit, spanishiwa thought me something cute in zvp if toss forge FE, scout at 9-10 on big map, saw a forge laid down at expo for wall in (etc. shakuras or tal darim), make a hatchery cancel/evo at his expo location wif ur 15 hatch money lol.......this will force your opponent to make cannon b4 making nexus, hence putting u abit in front of your opponent XD if he ignores you, you had successfully made him waste a forward pylon and forge and denied the 'idrasayimba' forge FE....

you have to be clear to us: is the toss attacking with 4 gate or 6 gate lol.
no way a toss will lose to zherk droning like mad and lair tech.

and thats why i asked, because if you drone mad, 4 gate will kill you there and then. but if he focus on 2 base then 6 gate, your econ is confirmed to outpace him :/

and what too many tech involved? would you rather have ur roach bullied by stalkers kiting you? speed roach only requires 200 gas from lair and speed upg. granted, if you after you got ur tech you can go easy on gas as they are mineral heavy (pull gas off and saturate mineral faster and start spamming army to pressure toss)

also if ur a zerg against toss and ur not doing upgrades (dual evo chamber for example) you're gonna get overpowered by toss chrono forge(s) especially when hes 2 basing.

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and to emphasize on this, look up the protoss thread where i posted a pvz. he 2 base i 1 base 4 gate all in.
HAD he gotten his upgrades, i could've, or would've lost already. but he didnt. no roach speed. no carapace/dmg upgrade, nothing.

hell if i knew his tech so derp, i could suddenly sneak in a stargate and get ONE VR, he would've gg'ed earlier too.

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Added on June 15, 2011, 7:20 pm

yeah, can always just cancel the forge if it isnt done once you see evocham is thrown down LOL

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Added on June 15, 2011, 7:22 pm

200 minerals for a deny isnt too much to pay. you see many koreans especially toss doing it against zerg with their pylons. though pylons, is a ton cheaper, and doesnt waste that 1 drone.

Should I play Zerg in a more defensive way or should I use them more offensively?

well, i agrees idra's gg timing, its a kind of respect to your opponent, showing him that u respect him as a great player that he will play perfectly and nvr let go the huge advantage he has...*and go on to the next match in a boX without wasting energy/expose weakness and be depressed for unnessasary amount of time*

but in ladder.....your opponent is not progamer, they will f***ed up some serious stuff for you to catch up....if you know how to grab the chance.

People need to stop being so anal about the thank you word or sorry word when they receive a gift or did something wrong. +2.

I didn't say it's a must, I'm just agreed and give out another example.

Unless someone "who makan cili dia rasa pedas" trollololol.

People need to stop being so anal about the thank you word or sorry word when they receive a gift or did something wrong. +2.

Guys, when they mean power drones, does it mean saturating the base? How many drones do I need to saturate a base (including gas)? 22?

Wow.. total 26 per base? But I hear some ppl say that you do not need to saturate the 3rd base as much as the first and the natural