dun really need to badmouth since u admit it urself...
since i am free atm, i'll give u a goodbye gift from this thread...
if u wanna QQ about imbalances, make ur own thread bout it...

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Added on November 18, 2010, 8:10 pmps: no1 wants to play wit a maphacker

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 18 2010, 08:10 PM

usually i have a drone patrol below the ramp so i dun get bunker blocked...
best way is still to scout before deciding the 15hatch (scout the close position if ur opponent nt there u can 15hatch with some defenses ASAP)...

[sarcasm]
but 15hatch is autowin vs toss and terran...
when i 15hatch and my opponent sees it, they just ragequit...
they lost all the will to fight as though their god suck their soul away...
[/sarcasm]

there's 2 window where the 15hatch is vulnerable...
first is the protoss's 2gate stalker pressure push forcing u to commit to lings without speed which is bad or spine crawlers...
with that ur drone count drops while the toss just expand...

from there the toss have 2 transition...
the first would be a 1base blink which is good on some maps and help u bypass the defense at natural (especially the spines)...

the other is my favourite, 2bse5gate timing push with +1...
the timing would hit u when ur muta is almost done forcing ur mutas to defend...
if u go roach, then all u have are roach and lings...
with stalkers and good FF (u should have stockpile some sentry up etc) that would be the killer push...

zealot rush is bad due to their slow speed and easily negated by roaches and allowing ur roaches to mount a big counter push unlike stalkers (and cannon at their base)...

there aso the 15 forge build which of course + manner pylon below ur ramp wit 1 cannon forcing ur natural to be canceled...
and from the 15forge if he choose not to cannon u, he can jz nexus (he would have enuff minerals that time as well) + cannon his natural and transition into a 3 gate push into 5/6 gate timing push...

this are the american toss build which my fren in korea server (1.7k rated now) find effective even vs koreans...

personally i always do the 15 forge or nexus depending on wut i scouted...
the double chrono from 2 nexus is really useful and while it is hard to defend a 2 base roachling push, if u can defend it, u can gear up for some terrible terrible damage!

there is no need to kill the 15hatch instantly like wut the common rushes are trying to do...
instead turn it into a liability...
at times i would jz sac my hatch and go for a all out roachling counter push

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Added on November 18, 2010, 9:20 pmps:
most zerg would die from the 2base5gate+1 push unless: -
1. u keep up the pressure wit ur lings/ roach poking
2. get roach speed
3. get +1armor to counter the +1zealot from 2shotting ur lings
4. get burrow (solution to the FFs totally)

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 18 2010, 09:21 PM

reapers are good in the way they pin ur opponent down to ur map...
and they are still a good opener vs zerg even when u can 5 rax reaper anymore...

problem wit 15hatch is the management of ur larvae on army vs drones and how offensive/ defensive u wanna be...
15hatch would need good overlord scouting to play reactively which somehow make marines really really good...
100 minerals + 1 larvae is always deadly...

shooting overlords while u are rushing is really really annoying for the zerg to defend...
i almost always preemptively drop 2 spines (3rd one near the clift for LT as thor drops are annoying as hell) when my overlord are denied...
my opponent told me after the game that him seeing the spine allow him to just expand and mule up...

still when u reach the 300 army mark mutablings -> speed roach reinforcement its pretty much a GG
that would require 3 bases to do though (and 4-5 hatches)...

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Added on November 18, 2010, 10:54 pmps: not rare to see 15hatches as it is popularized by kyrix nestea etc... same as me hating playing mass marine rush terrans as a zerg thanks to foxer "

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 18 2010, 10:54 PM

contrary to the believe, having the zerg being 1 base above u is not really an issue as long as they cant utilize the larvae/ saturation...
if they make too much army = too little drone = too little resource = unspent larvae...
this is why i play random to really know each class and their weaknesses (according to my style though)...

good building placement mostly...
10pool is the safest as well in ZvZ...

do remember if he 6pool, he is having much less drone, even if u loose some drone u guys would at the worse case be at the same drone count =p


to be fair, nestea only actually really defended that rush in the game7...
other games he was pretty affected (and there was no rush for the LT/ scrap station games)...

i would nt say it really auto win but koreans are known to be very aggressive...
4 gate variants are very popular there in fact (incontrol in STOG)...

make more hatch and spam lings =p
attack at 200/200, sac ur army and rebuild wit speedlings + roaches...

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Added on November 21, 2010, 3:42 pmseemed the solution to a thor drop on LT is to go 1 base muta and then expand like wut kyrix did

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 21 2010, 03:42 PM

i dun think so...
i've seen lots of games which is won by ultras/ BL...
the reason why zerg dun use t3 is cause 300/300 t1-t2 are really good...
muta+ling+blings -> roach+ling reinforce (with speed for all) is very very effective vs terran...
vs toss, mass mutas usually can win u the game alone and when it cant, u get ultra/ BL (tech switch transition between those 2)

honestly i prefer to be able to win with t1 and t2 units as compared to terran rushing to thor to beat muta, and toss rushing to colossus just to beat bio balls...
sure u can tech, but u are so vulnerable and if taht dun turned out u die...
and how often do we see BCs? carriers?
dustin browder did said, t3 units are good but it doesnt mean u need to get them every game and doesnt mean taht we need to make them easier to get just to see them be played more...

to be frank, the reason why zerg are dying to early pressure is cause they are freaking greedy!!!
hatch first then dying to 2 rax and QQ-ing terran is OP?
why not go 1 base roach into expand?
or speedling expand...
whenever a toss do a 15nexus and loose, i am telling myself he deserve it for being greedy...
zerg need to adapt especially considering roaches are so much better against marine...

hydras > mutas
next

when hydras are cheaper and faster than muta...
jz go agressive and pressure them with ling roach hydra and force their muta to be in the base...
this is wut toss has been doing wit 2base play to beat muta...
why nt apply the same for ZvZ

the main reason for an extra hatch is for more larvae to dump ur minerals or to make units in general...
you would rarely see this in 1v1 unless the zerg is on at least 2 base (i follow the general rule of 4 hatches on 3 base, 3 hatches on 2 base if i mutaling)...
or when u have more income than u have the larvae to spend on (i'll drop an extra hatch when i see my mineral shot up to 1.4k or so)
for 2v2/ 3v3/ 4v4 its very common for rush strategies as the extra larvae allow u to reinforce with speedling faster where its common to put early pressure/ rushes...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM

micro ur ling to move pass his army like a surround (the front ones) then attack move...
that's wut i do usually...

with their units being range, no doubt u will loose some ling even when they dun micro/ stutter kite...
thus having speed (both ling and bling) is very important...
i'll never attack without those (same for roach)...

what are ur opening to it?
i presume u are on 2 base?
depending on map, u can have spinecrawlers + lings...
if no spine then maybe some roach ling...
while that happen try to counter with a small group of ling...

if pathway is small jz use spines...
ur lings will block his units from touching ur spines...
usually 3 spines would be more than enuff...

the problem for this would be balancing ur larvae for drones vs army...
u can mostly identify 4 gate by scouting (try playing toss doing 4 gate and u can see things u usually cant as a zerg)...

watch julyzerg's GSTL games...
that's how zerg should be played...

as tastosis put it: rock paper scissors jaedong