Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.
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 Nov 15 2010, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 15 2010, 02:50 PM) you see you see!! *force fields* it was a response to him losing to 2 toss in a row in MLG dallas and got eliminated...you see you see!! *blink blink blink*  ps: that zerg is horrible lol... |
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Nov 18 2010, 04:10 PM
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been messing around with a solution to the dreaded banshee+marine+thor combo (with some vikings) and i find the best solution is going heavy stargate...
2 stargate for some early phoenix into carriers with the catapult upgrade... work pretty well (and throw in a mothership as a timely vortex is jz auto win lol) |
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Nov 19 2010, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 19 2010, 12:14 AM) I see i see ,maybe you could try a fast push with stalkers immortals n an obs to hit from lower ground.. the key to this is to not allow him to get as many banshees as he would normally have because most of his time are spent on making 2 starport n his 1st unit to come out would most likely be the raven for its energy for a timing attack(2 pdds in your base >.<) true as well like wut ttone did...usually i am a bit more passive vs terran as i opt to expand earlier... would give that a try more =p |
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Nov 19 2010, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 19 2010, 12:27 PM) i now have problem dealing with bio ball with siege tank support with 1 or 2 thor. The only way i found to deal with this is with psi storm and blink stalkers. Any other way to deal with this? i always think chargelots are a must...they will help tank the damage from your other units (colossus are usable here)... and they'll friendly fire... and other combo would be fine after taht =p |
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Nov 23 2010, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 22 2010, 08:15 PM) Hahahha im a lil happy, now im loving the macro game, most of my games are above 20 minutes now compared to last time, im getting the hang of it! ok will look at it when i am free...evo when you mentioned about socke and his ht play i totally forgotten HT as i always go to collo n rush,, but now im more in to macro play i gain control of the map and go zealots HT  my minerals can soar up to 2k but its ok lol because i have 20 gateways to dump all the minerals =phttp://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/107869-...oss-metalopolis Heres my reply, do comment on how i fair.. Against nGenFlar a 2.1k terran I really need improvements because im new to macro games but ya, socke's style of PvT is really fresh... HT drop/ warp-in at mienral lines etc... |
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Nov 23 2010, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 23 2010, 10:30 PM) i was listing to the state of the game podcast, there was a protoss player that say that protoss is the most unforging race to play. If you make a mistake you are dead. E.g. Miss a FF or not getting sense. He stat that other races can easily recover from a mistake but protoss is hard to recover from a small mistake.. Hence protss need buff.. .DT needs wings its incontrol (or was it nony) |
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Nov 24 2010, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 23 2010, 11:52 PM) I think it was nony, and den they got into fight about bashee and DT. its incontrol...the terran player say ur DT 1hit worker. Nony say ur bashee 2 hit worker and can fly. Lol @ calvin cant download it dunno y... maybe my net a bit shitty tonight... |
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Nov 24 2010, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 24 2010, 01:43 PM) lol he wont rush thor liao, he prefer marine raven n banshees now lol, he kanasai wan where are the tanks...i am really afraid of marine tank banshee raven + scvs now (like yesterday's gsl)... even nexgenius cant hold it off (barely when his colossus jz pop in time and the terran made a mistake) |
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Nov 24 2010, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 24 2010, 11:20 PM) Izit me of I have a ton of fun playing with zerg than terran? My PvT is either I roll them or they roll me. But PvZ has a long of back and foward action. I juz love it.. i enjoy playing wit both actually...I now going up with plati terran, all now using ghost with bio ball.. HT feedback on a single ghost that is clock and is trying to EMP HT or save run and save enegry for psi storm? more towards terran since i hardly having practice wit zerg but loving PvZ nony style +1 2 base timing... hmmm pretty hard to feedback ghost... best bet is sitll colossus... and get templar wit amulet so u can warp fresh HT for storm when u get emp... |
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Nov 25 2010, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 25 2010, 02:18 PM) the imba 4 gate Huk feared so much in korea is possible. its 3 gate, nt 4 gate...http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=171264 computer calculated. 6.13 5 zealot 8 stalker. wtfisthisshit. the blink one is possible as i always do it for my PvP now... Added on November 25, 2010, 2:55 pmbtw the one huk said is a much slower imho compared to a standard 4 gate (and there is no scouting based on the optimizer/ travel time to build etc)... its more to a counter to 4gate than a agressive build... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 25 2010, 03:00 PM |
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Nov 26 2010, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 26 2010, 10:21 AM) haha.. i guess i havent reached that level for terrans to do such amazing timing attacks =p never faced ur compo before...ive lost to mech thou in a macro game  tanks helions n thors n a few marines with medi so annoyingthe marine tank banshee raven is the same compo that nexgenius almost lost to in game 1 of his gsl ro64... if he cant kill u he jz siege contain u =( |
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Nov 29 2010, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(axn992 @ Nov 29 2010, 10:25 AM) what is the best strategy to win zerg? 2 base, 5gate, +1 with lots of sentries |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 29 2010, 02:21 PM) sentries forcefields to prevent repair.....FF are so imba... are u serious?thor are massive... massive > FF... taht's why any toss who go 2 sentry auto loose to thor rush... unless u didnt micro ur thor LOL (not to mention needing 4 well placed FF to cut the repair) Added on November 29, 2010, 2:36 pm QUOTE(axn992 @ Nov 29 2010, 02:01 PM) I gonna try it someday look at nony's build for the 2base +1 5gate build...Added on November 29, 2010, 2:02 pm icic ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ How about stopping thor rushes? they are imba with scv repair! its very common and only the good zergs are able to mount a challenge to it... otherwise if ur FF is solid enough, u would have a better time in beating the zerg... do note if this fail to do enough damage, the zerg would kill u with ease... as for thors? jz get more gateway units and start focus firing... i am a macro based player and i feel getting more shit in his face is the way to win =p This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 29 2010, 02:36 PM |
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Nov 29 2010, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(axn992 @ Nov 29 2010, 02:56 PM) I just tried the 2base +1 5gate with massive FF! its so good againts speedlings! Owned a zerg! I used to push colloses but everytime lose. With this strategy, i am more confident against zerg! it can handle roach pretty well but hydras is GG for u (fall back and go colossus)...its a timing push to handle mutaling/ roach... QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 29 2010, 03:40 PM) evo, i was more than half joking but FF are imba. lol.... imba when used right and in high number...had a guy raged on me yesterday when: - - FF him and his partner's army - FF his ramp while my partner whoop his army but for 1v1 against good players, 1 bad FF is game over for u instantly... since unlike 2v2 etc u can FF and ur partner have the dps, 1v1 u dun have enuff dps if u commit to sentry heavy... |
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Nov 29 2010, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 29 2010, 04:47 PM) to add the lulz... ya saw this the night it was out...sen complaining sentry FF imba, he played protoss, go against a 2200 diamond korean and roflstomped mutaling with about 10 sentries....FF the lings away from muta and rape muta. then mass stalker to win the game (up blink d but din use at all XD) ok, this is for the lulz, dun take it too seriously. to be frank its mostly the zerg playing bad... the solution to FF is to pull back... force the sentry to dry out the juice (incontrol lost to the ranked 17 zerg when his sentry dry off)... which is why i advice my zerg frens to go burrow... though i would say blink stalkers is really good when u have the micro and be VERY VERY aggressive (cant let the roach count get too high to 1shot burst stalkers) This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 29 2010, 04:55 PM |
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Nov 30 2010, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 30 2010, 12:39 AM) day9: the way to counter muta is PRESSUREEEEE thus 2base +1 5gate timing FTW...forgotten which daily he was talking about how to counter muta, HT? no, mass stalker? no, mass phoenix? no, it is pressure! their muta jz came out and u will engage them in their base!!! |
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Dec 1 2010, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(axn992 @ Dec 1 2010, 07:06 PM) i hate to vs againts zerg. I think zergs are too imba againts protoss! Protoss build time is long, and the time that is taken to build up army, the zerg player can macro up! imbaaaaaaa! pylon block his natural...expand... then 2 base timing push the zerg... |
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Dec 1 2010, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 1 2010, 09:13 PM) this is fking imba nah it dun win the game unlike 2 rax marine all-in |
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Dec 2 2010, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(axn992 @ Dec 1 2010, 09:46 PM) any replays for this strategy? u can look at most NA toss replays...they do this alot (not much on the korean side)... u can delay the zerg expo by putting 1 pylon at that spot (or if u are terran a 90% completed ebay so u can cancel it back for 75 minerals lol)... or u can double pylon below his ramp with cannons (or if u are terran double bunker)... of course while doing that beware of nydus... this opponent is really weak against nydus and we saw so many toss died to nydus... |
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Dec 3 2010, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Dec 3 2010, 10:55 AM) Yea I fell prey to the nydus quite a few times. that's the weakness of the build... Now I always make sure I pylon all around my base just to be safe. But then in one game, I forgot to block my front properly and he just rushed in from my front lines instead of through a nydus... That was after a week long break from SC2. u gotta be very defensive after that both ur front and possible nydus behind as ur gate would be much slower... |
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