so far from my experience i managed to beat the banshee...
i had a halucination build which i used that allow me to hit their ramp pretty quick and fast (halucinated VR for scouting and drawing some fire lol)...
even when his banshee is out, u got time b4 his cloak finishes so snipe that banshee ASAP, micro ur stalker towards the techlab/ starport...
once that is down u are pretty much homerun...

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i rather to just lose probes and my opponent having no base after this drop...

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terran that harass are nt that scary when they can kill u straight...
i think 1 gate into robo for immortals should be the standard now (just like wut huk does nowadays)...

well immortals with ur gate army still do decent damage to marines etc...
dun forget it deal 20 damage to normal and can take quite a beating...
and the robo prevent u from dying to random banshee/ thor rushes...

i notice NA toss tend to go immortal heavy builds nowadays as well...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=165609

NoNy 4-1 IdrA...
go watch this and hopefully u get some better PvZ ideas (streaming em now)...

actually he do roach rush a lot...
lots of his replays he do use roaches infestors etc...
i guess he didnt see the need for early roach rush and we all knw he like macro games...

the 3 gate FE rite?
mostly gotta need cannons as well and tech to blink...

even koreans think that protoss is freaking weak...
the official whine graph of koreans (playxp is highly popular by koreans btw)

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n...jing%2F&act=url

75% of the community thinks protoss is the weakest LOL

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Added on November 5, 2010, 2:43 ambtw zerg's highest was 80% and toss is already at 75%...
hmmm...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 5 2010, 02:43 AM

btw do check out HuK's game from the EGmasters cup last weekend
(http://djwheat.blip.tv/?sort=custom;date=;view=archive;user=djwheat;nsfw=dc;s=posts;page=1)

there are some really good plays by HuK and u can download em...

not a good idea at times...
u will just roll over to the 3-5RR build...
teamEG master cup HuK lost to slush when he 2 gated thanks to roaches LOL...

not slightly...
its a big delay...
the roach rush is off 10pool...
when the roach reach ur base and u go 2 gate -> core u would only have 2 zealot 1 stalker/ sentry and warpgate starting research...
must i say that zealot are horrible vs roaches?

again refer to HuK vs Slush in teamEG master cup which was only last weekend to get a better idea on why toss rarely go 2 gate vs zerg now...
its way way way too unflexible...
later on in the series huk went 1 gate -> forge just to hold off the roach and still suffer some losses...

nt really but u definitely need a forge to handle a early roach rush as zealot dun do that well, sentry are too gas expensive and stalker's dps is really low...
when u scout a early pool (usually its 10-11 pool), keep ur probe around and try to see did he drop a roach warren...

even before the roach buff (actually since beta), when u go 2 gate and u see a roach warren, u still gotta drop forge into cannons...
zealots are just bad vs roaches in general...
if u do wanna go 2 gate rite, there is the 2-stalker build (gate gate gas core into double chrono stalkers) but u need to micro it well vs ling and hope his pool is not earlier than 11...

as for scrap station, i usually place my buildings below the ramp as its easier to wall off plus allow FE builds...

<3 the 15nexus build

u need cannons and u need to know when to chrono ur army instead of probes from both of ur nexus...
it takes quite some scouting and prepare accordingly...
and its nt really suitable for some maps...

and if needed pull out some probes for def early on, u have 2 nexus to replenish it back...
so in the end its more towards knowing what and when to chrono...

to me pretty much as colossus are huge...
and u wont die to random DT rushes...

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Added on November 7, 2010, 4:55 amnazgul just knocked idra down to loser's bracket in MLG Dallas...
superb blink play especially on kulas ravine...
that's such a strategic masterpiece...

too bad the map is not on ladder anymore...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 7 2010, 04:55 AM

for additional reference besides scrubiee's, watch TTOne's game vs Machine for MLG Dallas semifinals (winner bracket)...
he open with 15 nexus, machine response with roach rush and u can learn how confident TTOne defended that...

drop cannons, cancel them and warp in 6 gateway worth of unit from his just completed 6 gates...
didnt pump that much probe despite 2 nexus and from there on, its just faceroll...

15nexus is very variable even in high lvl (mythbusted those that say it auto loose to roaches)

no...
mass roaches > blink stalker...
nazgul's play was really good cause of his timing (and all he did to prepare for that push) and good usage of the map...
surely blink micro is good but when the roaches get to a critical mass (75/25 cost make it easy lol) they can just focus fire it down (similar to hyrdas)...

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TTOne lost to jinro using polt timing attack again "
the most imba TvP build...

lol...
ur timing a bit slow adi let me chrono up 3 obs...

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Added on November 10, 2010, 12:53 amgot the idea off TL actually...
when ppl were doubting the 15nexus (i had frens telling me its a fail build as well lol)...
was really convinced when i saw sangho (babybyebye) pull it off...

going forge first let u force the pylon block into cannons...
HuK have a variation of this build (and kiwikaki as well) where he delay with pylon-cannon into a 3 gate for sentry and control the ramp...
tester usually go 15forge, 17nexus so there's lots of variation but depends on the map and wut u scouted...
the general idea though still revolve around the 15 timer as u should have enuff resource to either nexus/ forge/ pylon block =p

btw in MLG dallas TTOne did it vs machine as well and u should definitely check out taht replay (metalopolis)...
its a perfect example on how to be calm and perfect defend (not to mention a variation again of the 15nexus opening)...

ps: i love socke as well for his HT play...

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Added on November 10, 2010, 12:55 ami still think that getting colossus too fast is bad (especially if u expo at the same time)...
such a big window for ur opponent to exploit especially terrans...

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Added on November 10, 2010, 1:08 amLiquid`Tyler November 09 2010 03:46. Posts 4792 Profile Blog #
I said to painuser that scv and mules are really strong and he made a nice map pick and gl in the tournament.

SCV's complement MM army so well and when they die it means less than when a probe or drone dies because of mules. When a protoss attacks a terran base, he usually needs either mass force fields or well-defended colossi or storms, otherwise scv's are going to turn the tide quite quickly. For a while now the panic defense of terrans in tvp is not amazing to me anymore because it's all easily explained. But then my awareness of how much momentum I need when I attack into a terran base definitely Last edit: 2010-11-09 03:51:25
made me too cautious on kulas, for example.

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for those watching his game 6 vs painuser (3rd person view) would understand his frustration...
he defended so well vs painuser's 3 rax push, and went for the counter...
great FF and kill almost all of the MM but painuser pulling in scv + mule with the MM kill so much and went on to all-in (all scv/ mule) towards his base...
he was 0-2 down in the extended series and was at 2-3 at that point (would be 3-3 if not for mlg map mistake) or if it is not extended it would be a new bo3 series and he would jz be 0-1 down...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 10 2010, 01:08 AM

gas = 2 patch x 3 workers each (6)
minerals = 8 patch x 2 workers each (16)

so the minimum is 22 but for saturation its around 26 would be the ideal number (the extra on further patches from ur nexus) as any more workers reduce the efficiency too much...
and having 26 would let he transfer some for an expo (i usually pump up to 30 while waiting for my expo to be up else sit them at 24-26)...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 10 2010, 09:26 AM

for him to go that build, he would be semi turtling rite?
if u keep ur scouting up, u would be able to expand pretty early...
from there go to colossus + gate units (with sentry for FF) and do a timing attack...
after that get charge and do another timing attack while expanding...
once u got 3 base keep up ur colossus production till a count of 4 (that's the magic number) while teching to HTs...

the moment u scout any vulnerability dun be worried to harass etc especially wit DT...
DT are good answer to him dropping in ur base as well...

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Added on November 12, 2010, 10:45 pm3 minerals per patch for all patches are too ineffective as some patches are nearer to the nexus...
thus 2 probe is enuff for those patch...
there's theorycrafting and they recommend a max of 26 per base (main bases with 8 patches that is)...

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Added on November 12, 2010, 10:45 pmno toss though =(
still gonna be a good match as both players are awesomeeeeeee

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Added on November 14, 2010, 9:35 pmgood explanation on how many worker should u have per base



This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 14 2010, 09:35 PM