Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.
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 Sep 28 2010, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 07:03 PM) game 2 he could've waited for colo. NO VIKINGS. jesus f***ing christ tester hes so patient EVERY GAME why NOT THIS. I CALL CONSPIRACY OF MATCH FIXING OMFG well if he waited, the terran might have expanded... dun forget the starport with reactor, it can pump out vikings and /lol colossus which need to get range as well... |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 07:08 PM) yes it can all happen, but as artosis mentioned, it DID NOT. no way tester could've no it yes, however that suicide was definitely NOT what tester would've typically done. he was fearing to be too behind on eco...sigh hongunprime i dun see wut he can do vs this build... this is BALANCED!  |
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Sep 28 2010, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 07:15 PM) helions. ok after today's GSL, i just lost my self respect together with my fren...wat. WAT. we are going terran! |
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Sep 28 2010, 08:08 PM
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get the freaking 6pooling fruit out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE IS NO FRUIT IN AIUR (nvm aiur is owned by zerg now T.T) |
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Sep 28 2010, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Sep 28 2010, 08:26 PM) I like how the commentators were talking about oGsInca having planned out a great strategy for Kulas Ravine and Fruitseller just ruined everything with the 6 pool. ya the 12min mothership! |
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Sep 29 2010, 01:08 AM
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QUOTE(TENAXIS @ Sep 29 2010, 12:40 AM) what is this epic replay that i miss? 9pylon is the optimum...MUST SEE MUST SEE LINK LINK!!!!! meh, been on a losing streak soo far... ciiibai, soo depressing...  , need to make my HuK built better and better....just a random q, do u guys to 8-pylon or 9-pylon? i been reading or hearing its better to go 8-pylon because you decrease downtime on 9-pylon that 11th probe is delayed a bit. opinions anyone? again no replays lol... i do have HuK's carrier rush http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4174906/ |
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Oct 11 2010, 03:09 PM
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sad new, tester got eliminated by flintzenith (terran)...
as cool said, TvP hugely favor terran... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=159751 |
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Oct 12 2010, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(#Fly @ Oct 12 2010, 07:01 PM) Damn, I got owned in practice league 2v2 by someone who spammed void rays against me while I was going for 4gate. It was kind of stupid that I only had stalkers while he had a fleet of VRs. I tried to go for collosi harass but I couldn't get the right buildings up in time because of lack of knowledge :| I think it's because of the rocks that are placed in novice map ramps that my 4gate isn't working. the basic thing to learn as a toss is the 4gate...After that loss, I tried VR with full upgrades spam against 2 Terrans and won the match almost single-handedly with a mothership. It feels stupid because it took me so long to get that much void rays with such upgrades. Is there any other good strat I can use? Colossus + Warp prism harass looks very effective, I saw HD's commentary on TLO vs WhiteRa (i'm in love with him) and he managed to get 26 kills with his colossus and warp prism alone, on drones of course. Perfect micro-ing! If I didn't use the right term, what does micro actually mean? Super newbie :| its the bread and butter to allow u to grasp the basic mechanic of the warpgate and perfect ur timing... its pretty stable and strong in both offense and defense for ur early/midgame... once u get ur 4gate rite (u can get to diamond wit ease wit 4gate honestly cause lower league cant handle it) u can diverge to other builds: - - gate->core->gate->robo->gate - gate->core->robo->gate - gate->core->gate->gate->stargate and whole lot of other builds... |
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Oct 12 2010, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(#Fly @ Oct 12 2010, 09:21 PM) @Moonflown while VR seemed to be good, they are easy to counter...I'm not sure about build orders atm It normally leads me to spam void rays and then I forget almost everything else because i know i'll win already  and u are vulnerable before u get them up etc... as i said, try to learn the 4gate build... that's the most stable and beginner friendly build =p |
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Oct 13 2010, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Oct 13 2010, 12:17 PM) Hey guys, just wanted to ask about something regarding PvZ matchup. Is it really neccessery to do fast expand (gateway at natural to wall off and nexus around 18-19) when against PvZ? Because whenever i met Zerg player in ladder, fast expand comes in my mind. :S QUOTE(Moonflown @ Oct 13 2010, 03:39 PM) Fast expanding against aggressive Zerg is very risky because you are very vulnerable to early lings/roaches/hydra + nydus worm. If Zerg decides to play passively once he knows you going FE, zerg can just pump pure drones and no way that protoss can catch up with it. with the changes to zealot, early zealot pressure is really hard...u can go for 4gate all-ins on some maps with hard to defend naturals like xel`naga... for maps where the natural is so safe (LT, metal), its better for the toss to FE... my FE build follow the korean styled FE... 9 pylon near ur choke 12 gate 14 gas get a zealot get core get 2nd gas get sentry + warp (chrono both) when u have 3 sentries, drop a pylon below ur ramp (blocking 1 side of it) drop a forge below ur ramp keeping the wall intact 2 more gate (wall again) 1-2 cannon 1 box behind wall so roach cant hit em (throw in the nexus based on ur scouting, i dun have a fix time for it lol... i usually nexus b4 the 2 gate and cannot before the gate x1) while doing all those? pump sentries as their are the best defense for u with FFs... and get halucination so u can scout with phoenixes without a robo tech and u do have enuff sentries to start with... |
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Oct 14 2010, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 13 2010, 11:05 PM) speaking of playing with AI, which I have to do now instead of online because I'm on work trip and can't afford the exorbitant hotel online fees (usd35/day for internet, wtf?), I can cream hard AI easily, but Very Hard normally cannot. I'll match the AI for their first 1 or 2 pushes, but somehow after that it just steamrolls me even without any expansion (regardless of whether i expand or not). hmmm i would say its positioning...Do i just suck? @Fly, no, you need to scout. No need to say VR, even 2gate zealot push can rape your 4 gate if you're not expecting it. i can FE and still defend as long as i get good positioning or good FF placements... which matchup u are having trouble with? |
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Oct 15 2010, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(#Fly @ Oct 15 2010, 06:40 AM) T_T i failed again in TWO 2v2 matches depends on ur 2v2 partner...mine is a terran and i tend to go sentry heavy to support him when he goes MM with FF placement (/lol banelings) or chargelot tanks... |
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Oct 15 2010, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Oct 15 2010, 09:27 PM) hi guys i just swtich raace. Yes i the protoss decide to change a human into one of them. hmmm for him to 3 rax u think u would have 2 gate rite?here are some problems i am facing. 1. Before i can get 2nd gateway, terran proxy 3 rack mass marine rush pwn me. 2.Before i can get 2nd gateway, zerg mass roach rush me with drone support.. thanks in advance will upload those sad replays later. 9pylon12gate14gas and core after gas... 1 zealot and as much stalekrs as u can... |
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Oct 15 2010, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Oct 14 2010, 02:08 AM) http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/89655-1...-delta-quadrant first of all this is wut i've observe from viewing on ur camera angle on one go...Can anyone review my replay whether i'm doing my things right or not, or is there any space i could improve from this replay? P/S: I'm still in silver league. :S hope it helps: - 1. constant probe production, ur probe production do stop at times wasting few sec off ur chrono (both of u have 15 workers when u should be roughly 17-18 workers by this stage) 2. scout across the xelnaga first for this map as u might catch some proxies or ur opponent's worker movement (thus some rough idea where his base might be to save ur scouting time) 3. ur 2nd gate too fast, the minerals is better used to get ur first stalker (besides that later on u are nt really having constant production off 2 gate which means u can make do wit only 1 gate) 4. ur building timing are a little out of sync (zealot should be done when ur core is done), partly due to ur focus on the scouting probe a little too much 5. lack of information when u are almost playing blind... try control the middle xelnaga as its important for this map, playing blind too long (poke wit ur first zealot+stalker to see wut unit compo he has to have an idea of his builds) 6. earlier pylon near ur ramp for faster reinforcement and easy micro (and maybe a sentry?) 7. 3rd gate too fast a bit as well as u are not producing off it 8. chrono charges not really used well (lots of times ur nexus is at 100 energy) 9. gateway production not constant (lots of minerals) and make it seemed like u need more production (4 is the max btw) 10. u either tech or u expand... u cant support getting a robo bay and expand at the same time (reason why HuK lost a game in MLG NY last week)... wut more u have 4 gate which is too much resources to be used... as u can see when ur robo bay is done, u dun have enuff resource to get the colossus 11. supply but minor issue as toss are supply heavy lol 12. hotkey ur army (u can double tab that key to change to ur army ASAP 13. colossus need more micro (9 range) so they dun get sniped i think the biggest issue is that ur build order doesnt feel smooth enuff... bonus: high starting apm of 300 but it slowly drops... dun really need to get the initial apm that high... my apm is only 60-90 through the whole game lol... Added on October 15, 2010, 10:56 pm QUOTE(#Fly @ Oct 15 2010, 10:15 PM) Can u guys suggest me a build order if mine is not good enough? ur BO is totally wrong mate...4 gate : pylon at 8/9 gas at 11 gateway at 12/13 gas after gateway 2nd gate at 15 pylon at 18, near enemy's base cyber core after that, research right after building finish finish 3rd and 4th gate before 26 supply spam pylons then spam stalkers and hope that i win if not im screwed because normally after i finish all of the above i don't continue and only focus on attacking rather than teching to VR/colossus while attacking because my macro sucks. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/4_Gate_Push http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/4_Warpgate_Rush is the general idea... u can read up 4gate for certain matchups over at liquidpedia as well... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 15 2010, 10:57 PM |
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Oct 17 2010, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Oct 17 2010, 12:54 AM) lol dont make to many bro.. optimum is around 26imho...for each base the maximum you should make up to are 30 probes  3 for each minerals and gasonly get to 30 when u are ready to expo... there was a graph about number of workers against efficiency and it ended at 26 as optimum... |
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Oct 17 2010, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Oct 17 2010, 03:06 AM) ahhh i think the graphs are more accurate ! lol cause blizz stated that 3 for each would be optimum :/ there's some slight delay actually (blizz lied)...btw u watching MLG now? any thoughts of PvZ now? |
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Oct 17 2010, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Oct 17 2010, 11:40 AM) Hmmm... You cant FE and mass cannons anymore because roches could hit your gates/forge and your cannons are unable to reach them.. good to hear that...Hahaha the only way now is to build units, I find the best method now is to maake a zealot for tank and the rest stalkers.. lets say a 5 roach push, a zealot with 3 sstalkers are able to fend that push off easily.. i find zealots sentry combo a harder way to defend against the roach timing push because before a zealot could reach a roach the roach could deal two attacks instead of one in the previous patch due to its range.. super huge advantage there Nope, have no watched MLG and GSL yet... haha Im to busy taking care of my gf haha.. she was in the hospital but now shes fine ;D thank God but the problem wit the zealot stalker would be the lings... either way i think FE builds are gone =( Added on October 17, 2010, 11:57 pm QUOTE(kEazYc @ Oct 17 2010, 10:10 AM) Sorry for the late reply, hmm in your opinion, what improvement should i focus on first? i would suggest the core macro mechanics...when ur macro is good, u can jz stimroll... so it would be the constant probe production, solid BO/ timing, chrono-ing and supply Added on October 18, 2010, 12:04 am QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 17 2010, 08:46 AM) what i do in toss team games almost every game: 4 gate > expo > 8 gate stalker spam like no tomorrow > 3 forge > GAS (hotkeys) hmmm as good as stalkers seem, hydras > them...lol. i prefer the robo tech now (or phoenixes <3)... or if u are gutsy, do kiwikaki's immortal drop -> 4gate warp off that warp prism build against idra... freaking sick (though hard to pull off for sure) This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 18 2010, 12:04 AM |
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Oct 18 2010, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(his @ Oct 18 2010, 12:09 AM) after watching MLG competition between kiwikaki and idra G1, i tried his tactics , it worked for once but my mind keep thinking what if theres roach rush..hw to fend tht in time without putting cannons at the choke... i think when the roach reach u would have ur first immortal out so not a problem wit some micro...any suggestion abt hw to do it ? |
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Oct 18 2010, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(his @ Oct 18 2010, 12:16 AM) well, what is being played on the competition doesnt really happens tht often so, would be better to put off with a sentry and maybe 2 cannons to fend them off awhile nah sentry is not really that good anymore...sentry was used for FE mostly back (korean FE builds) to control the chokes from ling run-by... if u are going cannon then it gotta be a FE based cannon... 1 base cannon would make u fall behind the zerg too much in terms of eco... |
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Oct 18 2010, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(his @ Oct 18 2010, 12:33 AM) i tried this strat like more than 4 times on zerg..build up pylon at their new base (FE) and put up 2 cannons on it with lots of stalkers warping in its a risky move...maybe a so called coward strategy but it works nevertheless. unprofessional but good move too against aggresive zerg kiwikaki did it 2 times against idra and idra broke those off... the problems with cannons is that they are static... idra answer this by having his 2nd hatch is another expo in game 2... in game 3, he just micro his drones to trap the probe when the probe tried to cannon behind the mineral... btw pylon behind mineral and cannon for smaller zerg vs lings... |
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