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 Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.

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post Sep 2 2010, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Sep 2 2010, 07:11 PM)
Just hotkey your voids and stalkers seperately. I always have my Nexus on 1, army on 2 and voids on 3. Move the void in, when they run back, tab to stalkers and harass buildings. Likely they won't repair. If they do, snipe the SCV and repeat. Its alright to lose 1 stalker now and then especially when you have your 2 base and colossi tech going. After that just amplify to 6 gate 1 robo 1 stargate. Feel free to throw down some voids to catch their buildings that try to run.

You can even stop production for voids after the first one. ALL you need is that void to pressure them cause if they pull back their army the front will push through. Smart players will divide the marines from the marauders and leave like 5 or 6 at the back.
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VR does a great job to contain the terran and create some form of 'fear'...
but usually u can win right on the spot when u have the 2nd VR in ur army and u do a 2 pronged attack off 2 gate...
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post Sep 2 2010, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 2 2010, 07:29 PM)
how do u poke the ramp when there is no vision?
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putting a zealot in the middle of the ramp give u vision already...
the positioning take some practice though...
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post Sep 2 2010, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(ov3rmind @ Sep 2 2010, 07:45 PM)
Or you can just walk up with your stalkers..I poke that way and wait for shields to regen.
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depends on which part of the game...
i usually move up wit a zealot since they are the 'tank'...
early game, i would use my first stalker instead to pick off marines
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post Sep 2 2010, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(dwks @ Sep 2 2010, 10:54 PM)
i havent play multi yet..
seen couple yt vid, so, wondering why a lot of ppl arent using illusion?
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i guess cause sentries are too gas intensive, the research take 100/100 and the sentry need to have 100 energy for each halucination which is TOO MUCH imho

ps: i use it a lot lol

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post Sep 3 2010, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Sep 3 2010, 01:29 AM)
Doesn't it take forever even with CB to tech?
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nah its kinda fast...
i usually spend 1 chrono on it only...
faster than warptech for sure...
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post Sep 3 2010, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(noob4life @ Sep 3 2010, 03:25 AM)
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/2649...-SC2Replay.html

Heres a replay... hope sifus can help me identify my mistakes.  smile.gif
PvP ... both were massing stalkers... wasn't really challenging cuz the dude didnt expand LOL.
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hmmm a little bz wit work so cant really help u...
if no1 help here try the sc2kaki forums...
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post Sep 3 2010, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(raylee914 @ Sep 3 2010, 10:21 AM)
carrier's interceptors in sc2 are so bloody easy to die =.=
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problem is that good players focus down ur carriers...
i've totally avoided carriers now when i used them a lot in beta back then >.<
nowadays i end my game fasts or i go the templars/ VR route of late game...
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post Sep 3 2010, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Sep 3 2010, 01:45 PM)
Not always advisable, especially against a protoss ground army. Rather use Stalker, Colossus, Void Ray mix.
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for PvP i usually skip templars...
the whole concept behind PvP is mostly the 4 gate timings/ 3 gate variants into war of the worlds LOL...

@ tatyinw
mass phoenix > mass hydras of even food count =p
still phoenix are really micro heavy requiring very high apm to be successful wit it...

@ noob4life
i think its better to get gateway -> core -> chrono stalkers as they are not that slow wit chrono...
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post Sep 3 2010, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Sep 3 2010, 03:32 PM)
Haha. Thanks evofantasy.
I saw the phoenix rush build at the first page.
Feel like trying but my apm is really averaging at around 30 only.
Just checked one of my replays last night. tongue.gif
I'll probably screw it up quite a bit.
Hope I don't end up lifting my own units by mistake.
I actually sniped my own zealots before when trying to micro my stalkers to snipe my opponent's units. tongue.gif
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phoenix gives u: -
- map control
- constant harassment of the zerg's queen and drones
- overlord sniping and thus supply blocking the zerg
- lots of vision
- natural defense against mutas
- cutting the opponent's forces into half when ur ground army engages (important as it allows ur zealots to get hits on the hdyras)

i would not suggest rushing it but rather having a smooth transition into it...
i have a 1gate -> FE -> phoenix build and a 2gate -> phoenix -> 3gate push...
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post Sep 3 2010, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Sep 3 2010, 04:31 PM)
Ok. Guess its time to swap my void rays with phoenix when going against zerg. smile.gif
I'll try it out if I get a zerg opponent tonight.

So I just lift up all his roaches is it? that way my zealots can happily charge to his hydralisk. tongue.gif
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no, lift up the hydras...
hydras are the massive DPSers of the zerg...
not to mention phoenixes deal 20dmg to hydras =p
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post Sep 3 2010, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(raylee914 @ Sep 3 2010, 04:41 PM)
what is the phoenix shooting range? 6?


Added on September 3, 2010, 4:42 pmcan it lift up thor?
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i think the range is 3?
very small range but they make it up for their mobility and backed with 1-2 GS is all u need...

it cant lift off massive units aka thors and colossi and ultras
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post Sep 3 2010, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(raylee914 @ Sep 3 2010, 04:49 PM)
sif..they should change it to phoenix able to lift massive units with a partner..biggrin.gif
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i doubt i want that...
phoenix in PvP is really good as well (HuK vs kiwikakii MLG raleigh)
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post Sep 3 2010, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(incx @ Sep 3 2010, 06:25 PM)
Posted a day[9]'a vid on the front regarding protoss 4 gates build. Very informative.

p/s. Still searching for some kiwikakii's gameplay style though.
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jz look for MLG raleigh which i think he did very well...
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post Sep 3 2010, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(noob4life @ Sep 3 2010, 07:06 PM)
Eh guys want to ask... if the opponent is "slightly" favoured means he is 1 league higher than me ?
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no, his MMR is high...
a lower league player can be favoured vs a higher league/ ranked player
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post Sep 4 2010, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(incx @ Sep 3 2010, 09:53 PM)
What's MMR? sweat.gif
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another rating which blizz kept hidden from us...
similar to the ones used in WoW
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post Sep 4 2010, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Sep 4 2010, 10:50 AM)
I have an average of 70, I guess I'm a cheeser.
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lol my average apm is much lower but i dun cheese in 1v1 after trying a cheese and failed i decided that it doesnt suit my style due to its risks...
apm does not really matter in sc2 with all the changes such as smartcasting...
it is a RTS game not a FPS...
as long as u got ur fundamentals and strategy right, there's nothing much to micro flex.gif

@ tat
hold shift g then click on the 2nd layer of hydras...
of course u need some decent ground army as well unless u are nony that can go pure phoenixes >.<

2s, 3s, and 4s are filled with cheese...
to some extend 1s as well but i think diamond players rarely cheese...
after all good players can handle cheese pretty easily...
i do know a few diamonds who cheesed their way up to diamond when the game is just out...
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post Sep 4 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Sep 4 2010, 03:08 PM)
some1 can analyse my vid? .....just dun comment on my macro so much ....i should expo but i dint lol ....how to win MMM =,=" .....he MMM microed so well i cant do anything
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/71649-1...oss-lost-temple
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i am still having problems wit MMM as well (as well as most toss out there sleep.gif)
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post Sep 4 2010, 04:59 PM

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LOL i was so blur that i tech hallucination instead of warptech and when i pushed i realize i cant warp in reinforcement and got rolled...
luckily i manage to rebuild and kill him wit VRs...
i think VR is the only answer to terran >.<


Added on September 4, 2010, 5:00 pm
QUOTE(tatyinw @ Sep 4 2010, 04:59 PM)
Oh thanks. I'll try that again. smile.gif
I was so busy trying to micro the phoenix that I just let my ground army auto attack haha.
Kinda screwed up battle for the last 3 games I had against zerg.
They must be laughing at what I was trying to do with my phoenix. tongue.gif
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btw i always make 2 stargate to pump out phoenix...
phoenix are insanely good in large numbers as wutever u lift off instantly get 1 shotted LOL

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post Sep 4 2010, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Sep 4 2010, 05:05 PM)
Haha yea. Most of the games I won against that army was with VRs.
Just the latest one I don't know what to do. He turtled in base with siege tanks and marauders and the air was full of vikings. What do you think? Phoenix? Sounds like the only viable option until he saw it and filled his base with missile turrets haha. I was like crap... how do I break this shell now...

I'll try with the 2 stargates. I was with only one. Maybe that's why I could not get enough of them to kill my zerg opponent.
Only had 3 when army clashed. tongue.gif
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no wonder ur phoenix was not working lol...
u need to pump em a lot...
they are pretty insane in masses...

as for VRs, its highly dependent on the opponent...
since i had a very very bad start, i'm force to go the VR route...
usually i rather go with the chargelot/ HTs as it renders their viking useless...

@ excript
be aggressive...
when u have ur warpgate out, u can reinforce anywhere in the map as long as u have a pylon/warp prism...
thus u can produce continuous pressure...
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post Sep 5 2010, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Sep 5 2010, 09:24 AM)
The zerg was like a blur haha. Really don't know what he is building. 3 expansions already and the amount of units he had was still so little.
He had at most one drone for each mineral patch it seems.  sweat.gif


Added on September 5, 2010, 9:38 amJust tried the chargelot/ht route.
Was incredible. Even with 2 HT, I almost decimated his entire army.
The problem was I only had 2 HT. laugh.gif

I need to get a few more and it should clear his army. tongue.gif
Colossus was great also. I'm still not used to microing it though.
Kept going in front and getting it killed.
Think I need to set it to one group to micro it properly.

@evofantasy
Think I understand now about the phoenix.
I was pressing G and clicking on each hydra so I end up lifting all the hydras and not killing any. tongue.gif
Now use shift G to queue the lifting, it worked better. Having 4 was great. 6 was definitely powerful. It worked wonders against the terran siege tanks too haha. As they can move so fast, shot them through the army to their back and lift and snipe.
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good to hear...
i always end up with 10++ phoenixes...
fly pass overlords and they jz die flex.gif

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