???????? as in????? u mean like those old skool candybar fones? if so, then none that is available..

but wats the point of not having a qwerty keyboard when u cant have complete control of the touchsreen? seems kinda odd..

owh in that case, i dun think there is am android fone out there like that.. i could be wrong, but ive not heard of any so far.. its either physical qwerty with touch screen or completely touch screen..

ermmm my Galaxy S is not laggy at all when using the internet and the pinch to zoom on the Galaxy S is the smoothest ive seen on an android device, the oni lag is the occasional lag when launching apps and when running multiple apps at the same time.. but there is a lagfix, but im too lazy to use it coz i tink that this minor lag is honestly not an issue with me.. some ppl might experience more lag tho..

if comparing desire and galaxy S, in terms of hardware, galaxy S beats the desire hands down, but in terms of software implementation and support, the desire is better coz of HTC and the nicer Sense interface..

and about the 2G must be manually set off after reboot? i dun really get wat u mean? and for kies, i dont use it.. i use the normal android drag and drop thing..

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Added on October 3, 2010, 5:03 pmactually.. i tink the desire HD and Z would be the best fit for u, but since u cant wait.. then go ahead with the desire, its a solid fone, but if gaming is a priority, then go get the Galaxy S coz the GPU on the Galaxy S kicks @ss!

This post has been edited by lost123: Oct 3 2010, 05:03 PM

WOAH! 3K is a very nice budget.. haha.. u dun even have to get 2nd hand fones.. blackberry isnt very expensive especially with the plans from digi, maxis and celcom.. not too sure abt blackberry fones, but for android, if u want the vanilla (normal) android UI then in Malaysia i dun think we have, besides the CSL one, but the nicest UI next to vanilla is Sense which is on the Desire.. then comes the touchwiz which is on the Galaxy S.. not too sure about the motorola's motoblur tho.. owh wait, there are vanilla android fones, the HTC magic and dream.. but both are old fones, and i suggest u stay away from them. OH YES! and theres the nexus one, how can i forget abt that.. but if u are not in a hurry, i tink u shud wait for the Desire HD and Desire Z.. theyre supposed to arrive this month.. mebbe end of the month only, and i dunno whether its been confirmed yet.

but if ur really insistent on vanilla android, then its only nexus one at the moment or u can import the T-mobile G2 from the US (which is nearly the same as the Desire Z except that it is vanilla android and Desire Z has sense UI)

wait what??? rm1999 for milestone??? ermmmm thats really expensive.. u can get AP set for less than 1.4k.. i heard sum ppl get it for 1.2 to 1.3k as well.. its about the same price as the HTC legend.. and i tink the legend is a better buy compared to the aria, but its specs are nearly the same.. so its juz up to personal preference..

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Added on October 3, 2010, 11:15 pmif the fone is only for testing, then u can get sumthin lower end, mebbe like the HTC legend or if u wan slightly higher end, then it would be the Desire.. but its a little pricey, but with maxis 1 year contract its pretty reasonable.. the cheapest HTC android fone would be the wildfire, but i dun like the resolution of the screen.. and because of the resolution, some apps might not work..

This post has been edited by lost123: Oct 3 2010, 11:15 PM

if u want a really good android fone with physical qwerty keypad, then u shud wait for the desire z or milestone 2.. coz the keypad on the current milestone is not very nice.. kinda flat.. u can check the garage sales section of this forum.. u can find ppl selling the milestone and the legend.. or better still wait for the desire z and the milestone 2..

if ur budget is big enough u can get the desire or the galaxy S now.. but sad part is that there is no physical qwerty.. but both are great fones.. both better than milestone and legend (but could vary depending on personal preference)

1.5k is really not a problem.. especially 2nd hand fones, if u want a mid end fone, then u can get the HTC Legend.. im pretty sure u can get a new one for less than 1.5k.. or not then u can try the HTC desire.. 2nd hand should be around that price range.. i juz saw one http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1587259 go check it out, im not endorsing that sale, but juz trying to help.. but it is at your own risk..

there are 3 fones that might be in the right price range for u..
1. HTC Legend (new)
2. HTC Desire (2nd hand)
3. Motorola Milestone (New, ap set)

if u wanna buy 2nd hand, then i say go for the desire coz its faster and has a larger screen.. but the Legend is a good fone as well.. Milestone is if u want a fone with physical qwerty keypad..

hope this helped

wildfire is a pretty decent fone, but of course desire is much better.. and problem with wildfire will be the low resolution screen.. doesnt look very pleasing to the eyes, and quite a number of apps might have trouble running on this fone because of the resolution..

so if u dun mind the low resolution and poor app support then this fone is a great little device.. and its cheap..

oh and the processor is 528Mhz as compared to the 1Ghz which is on the desire.. so performance is surely better on the desire..

i would say that the Legend is a better fone, and its juz abt few hundred more expensive.. or RM999 with 2 year contract with DiGi..

i suggest go test out the fone, its UI is pretty decent, works well, but desire is just better..

HTC Legend and Wildfire.. Wildfire cheaper, but i suggest get the Legend, looks better, feels better and screen resolution is better as well.. it is RM999 with 2 year contract with DiGi.. if u dont want a contract, then u can juz get the Wildfire..

is this a question whether SGS users experience short battery life or are u saying that u experience short battery life.. anyway, u shud go ask at the SGS thread, not here..

yes, the desire does have multitouch problem.. and it supports oni two finger multitouch as well.. and yes samsung galaxy S has lag and gps problems..

seems like the multitouch of the desire HD and Z wont have much of an issue, still not as good as the multitouch on the galaxy S though, but better than the current gen desire..

i suggest if u want, u shud wait for the desire HD and Z they are a compromise of the Desire and the Galaxy S..

X10 has no froyo atm, and i dun tink it will come anytime soon as well.. HD2 is Winmo6.5 fone, if u want a complete android experience i suggest getting a fone tat comes originally with android.. with ur budget of 1.5k u can get the HTC Legend, Motorola Milestone, Milestone XT720, etc..

i would say tat if u can top up a lil bit more, u shud get the HTC desire, and i suggest waiting till abt end of this month coz Desire HD and Z should be coming, and the old Desire price "should" drop, emphasis on the "SHOULD"...

if u want a big screen fone like HD2 then u can wait for the HTC desire HD, but its not gonna be cheap.. im not too sure about HD2 with android and froyo, but last i checked it is not as stable as a standard android fone.. and some might not like to go thru the process of flashing roms and stuff..
The next biggest screen size fone is the Samsung galaxy S, im using this fone now..

at 1.5k u actually do not have much of a choice, unless u buy 2nd hand.. besides that the only option is HD2, but the flashing rom and stuff might be a hassle for some.. if u want out of the box android experience with a HUGE screen, then u haf to wait for the Desire HD.. or for even larger screen it would be the Dell Streak, not sure where some ppl got it, im guessin import.. but yea, that fone/mini tablet is freakin huge for a fone..

if its between these two, i suggest the X10 mini pro.. the qwerty keypad is very useful for this fone on particular.. especially because the screen is so very tiny, typing on it is not going to be easy..

if possible, go test it out first, theyre both the same fone just that one has qwerty and the other doesnt, but personally i feel the qwerty on this tiny tiny fone is very important.

This post has been edited by lost123: Oct 17 2010, 12:02 PM

ur welcome

and it all depends on personal preference.. u shud go test both out.. it will help u make a better decision.

best htc android fone at the moment is desire.. legend is not bad tho, i would say the wildfire is the last on the list coz of its screen resolution and many apps wont be compatible with it..

btw, htc cameras are not very good.. theyre alright at best..

not so sure abt the camera, but the screen on the legend is definately better.. higher res.. and the legend has a slightly faster processor than the wildfire.. of course desire is still the fastest of the three.. but since u sed the desire is too expensive, i guess the only choice u have is the legend..

Desire hd is not out in malaysia yet.. But from wat ive seen and heard desire hd wud be the best at the moment.. But actually if the samsung galaxy s had better support and if the lag and gps prob was fixed then
i wud actually say the galaxy s is a better fone.. But sadly the lag and gps hasnt been officially fixed yet.. So i guess best wud be the desire hd.. Nice large screen fone.. Super quick start up.. And comes preloaded with froyo

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Added on October 26, 2010, 1:15 pmThe nexus one is definately faster and better than the hero.. Better in almost everyway.. The legend is not bad as well. But nexus one still better.. Anyhow.. Abt the legend.. It is what u can call the next gen htc hero.. It is the successor of the hero.. Not a bad fone.. But doesnt have froyo yet.. Nexus one is awesome.. Its like the desire without the htc sense ui..

This post has been edited by lost123: Oct 26 2010, 01:15 PM

Ermmm you are right that desire is high end and xt720 is a mid range fone.. and honestly, i prefer the desire for many reasons, however, one thing that the desire lacks is a dedicated GPU.. the GPU on the desire is the integrated one which is the same for all snapdragon processors.. whereas the XT720 has a dedicated GPU the PowerVR SGX530 if im not mistaken.. so technically games should run more smoothly on the XT720 especially 3D games.. The 1Ghz does make a difference, but i feel that the GPU is more important coz the xt720 is now clocked at 720Mhz (or sumwhere around there).. Neither of these fones are great gaming fones, but the xt720 juz has better graphical processing ability..
The best and smoothest fone for gaming would definitely be the Samsung Galaxy S.

and yes, agree with ur conclusion, u cant really compare both these fones because their in a different range, and different price range as well..
a better comparison should be between the xt720 and htc Legend.. and Desire and Galaxy S

This post has been edited by lost123: Oct 28 2010, 11:55 AM

Both have its pros and cons..

for the wildfire
pros- cheap, compact, and uses sense UI, android 2.1 (i tink)
cons- poor screen resolution, and because of this, some apps might not be compatible

for the x10
pros- nice big screen, higher resolution, more apps should be supported as compared to wildfire, good camera (i would say the best camera of all currently available android fones)
cons- more expensive, android 1.6 only at the moment, timescape can be a little sluggish

so its up to u.. why dont u also check out the HTC legend. slightly faster processor as compared to the wildfire, also uses sense UI, better screen resolution, most apps supported, android 2.1 (sadly no 2.2 yet for this fone), and not very expensive (but more expensive than the wildfire tho)

you can also check out the motorola xt720, which is also a good fone, but if u plan on rooting and flashing to custom roms, if im not mistaken this fone does not allow that.. and the RAM on this fone is a little on the low side, but besides that, it is a good fone..

another fone would be the motorola milestone, good fone, but might as well wait for the milestone 2..

if ur budget can go higher, u can also check out the desire and the Samsung galaxy S..

overall, i would say tat if between wildfire and x10, i would personally go for the x10 coz i prefer larger screens, but do also take note of the HTC Legend