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post Jul 29 2011, 03:20 AM

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A closer look at the numbers involved, from another critic of this blatant manipulation slash 'error'

I don't think posting the whole content is fair to the writer so anyone who wants to read it all can visit the kicap

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On 25/07/2011, 1.4 million of DRBHicom shares were sold at about RM0.30 below the market price. Error or manipulation?

Point 1
The shares were sold by a bank-backed broker (The Edge). Client unknown.
Selling were done at the last minutes during pre-closing.

Point 2
Total quantity 1.4 million. Price at RM1.95, about RM0.30 below market price

... SNIP ....

Point 10
How much saving of DRBHCOM-CE the Issuing House get, assuming all 90,000,000 shares are in the hands of public and not the Issuing House.
RM0.15 ' RM0.12
X 90,000,000
= RM2.7 million ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


If I am not mistaken, the maximum unit per order is 500,000. I'm not sure whether dealer doing for Institutional clients can have more than 500,000 per order. If it is 500,000, then the dealer needs to key-in at least 3 times for all the 1.4mil shares. Meaning if mistake or error, the dealer made at least 3 mistakes or errors.

I'm not concern who is the broker who sell the shares, because institutional client normally have many accounts with many brokers. The main point is the shares were sold at RM0.30 below market price.

Look at my long statement:
Dealer keyed-in more than 3 times, at price of at least RM0.30 below the market price, at the last minutes during pre-closing, at a very huge quantity during a fairly quiet market, make a loss of only RM420,000 while the potential gain/saving by the Issuing House may be up to RM2.7 million, and it was a mistake.


What do you think?



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post Jul 29 2011, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(sstarlight @ Jul 28 2011, 03:08 AM)
What is the rules of the game?
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95% lose money 5% make money == 95% is idiots(most likely high postcount/IQ), 5% is smart


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post Jul 29 2011, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Jul 29 2011, 09:20 AM)
95% lose money 5% make money == 95% is idiots(most likely high postcount/IQ), 5% is smart
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how come seldom see those 95% of ur kind ???
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post Jul 29 2011, 12:13 PM

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post Jul 29 2011, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 28 2011, 11:18 PM)
There is no rules in the beginning...
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did u see the answer he gave? a troll. sweat.gif
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post Jul 29 2011, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(sstarlight @ Jul 29 2011, 02:39 PM)
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did u see the answer he gave? a troll.  sweat.gif
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Who gave?
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post Jul 29 2011, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(qingweibuaya @ Jul 29 2011, 11:12 AM)
whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

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how come seldom see those 95% of ur kind ???
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he thought we are the shortsighted idiots the way he talked. just like BN when talking to rakyat. doh.gif
...these people are still asleep....and when they sleep, they thought all others are sleeping too. yawn.gif
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post Jul 30 2011, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 29 2011, 02:36 AM)
If you can even get this SO SIMPLE logic SO WRONG from what you wrote there, i think there is no need to further discuss with you. I know EXACTLY how these trading platform works. I wrote some of those software before. So don't simply pretend to be master here.  cool2.gif
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Alright YOU admitted it.

Let put this issues clearly for everyone in a way fair and favourable to YOU.

YOU admitted that YOU wrote the shitty program and familiar with the shitty program that allow someone to out smart YOU.

Bursa has use YOUR shitty program written by an idiot with half-past-six fact in good faith that ultimately someone smarter exploited to make money out of YOU. The facts remains that YOU unable to understand how that smart person can make such move based on the shitty program YOU wrote yourself. Whose fault is it now?

YOU are accusing about thing that YOU had no proof or cannot proof.


YOU are not sleeping.
YOU are not dreaming.

YOU are hallucinating that YOU lose money bcos someone is manipulating YOU YOU.

YOU are hallucinating that YOU lose money bcos someone is controlling YOU YOU.


YOU seriously need medical treatment to cure "lose money fatt lan jia" disease.




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post Jul 31 2011, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Jul 30 2011, 10:01 PM)
Alright YOU admitted it.

Let put this issues clearly for everyone in a way fair and favourable to YOU.

YOU admitted that YOU wrote the shitty program and familiar with the shitty program that allow someone to out smart YOU.

Bursa has use YOUR shitty program written by an idiot with half-past-six fact in good faith that ultimately someone smarter exploited to make money out of YOU. The facts remains that YOU unable to understand how that smart person can make such move based on the shitty program YOU wrote yourself. Whose fault is it now?

YOU are accusing about thing that YOU had no proof or cannot proof.
YOU are not sleeping.
YOU are not dreaming.

YOU are hallucinating that YOU lose money bcos someone is manipulating YOU YOU.

YOU are hallucinating that YOU lose money bcos someone is controlling YOU YOU.
YOU seriously need medical treatment to cure "lose money fatt lan jia" disease.
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Would like you to know that our world still have good people with good heart. Not only losing money folks support losing money folks. I'm sure most of us here who feel angry on the price manipulation thing do not own any of the DRB warrant, same as myself. We are speaking it out because we look at our fellow investors as a whole family. We wish our family members being well and fairly treated by the authorities.

I feel sad for your situation. I hope you will find more happiness through a more open mind.
You take care. smile.gif
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post Aug 1 2011, 06:11 PM

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well, i myself is over with DRB-CE. i live another day to fight the battle.

just a little update:

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/in-the-fina...nt-episode.html

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Lessons from DRB-Hicom call warrant episode

Holders of call warrants closely track the movements of the underlying stock prices, as the value of their instruments depends on the latter.

It is little wonder then that there was much hue and cry when DRB-Hicom Bhd’s share price plunged 14% or 33 sen to RM1.95 in the final minutes of trading last Monday, just five days before the structured call warrants (DRB-CE) issued by OSK Investment Bank Bhd were due to expire. The derivatives expire today.

The fact that the shares fell to RM1.95 on that day — coincidentally the strike price of the call warrants — naturally raised suspicions among investors, even if it was a trading error. Again coincidentally, there were barely two trading days before DRB-CE was suspended last Thursday (last trading on Wednesday, July 27).

After all, if DRB-Hicom shares closed at or below RM1.95 five days before expiry, the European-style call warrants would have been rendered worthless on expiry, and the issuer would not need to cough up any money for cash settlements.   

Fortunately, DRB-Hicom shares rebounded and recouped all their losses the next day. On the final trading day, DRB-CE closed at 12 sen and the underlying share finished at RM2.24.

But the episode was unusual enough to elicit a response from OSK Investment Bank.

It issued a press release in response to The Edge Financial Daily article on the “trading error”, saying that it had absolutely nothing to do with the price decline.

“We, the bank, would like to clarify that we were not involved nor did we have any prior knowledge as to the purported ‘trade error’ reported in the article.”

OSK, however, said there might be a direct implication on the determination of that day’s price movement on the settlement price of the call warrants.

Whether there were suspected trading irregularities, Bursa Malaysia said as a matter of policy, it does not comment on any of its investigative actions.

In an email reply to The Edge Financial Daily, it said: “Bursa Malaysia takes the obligation to maintain market integrity as a priority and views any attempts to manipulate share trading seriously. Where there are instances of suspected market offences, the exchange will investigate and take the necessary action.”

It is still unclear what happened in those final minutes of trading on July 25, but the episode does throw up a few lessons.

For one, it highlights the riskiness of call warrants, which many investment banks have been busy issuing and are often snapped up by retail rather than institutional investors.

The high gearing effect means investors can either gain a lot or lose it all.

Second, the ending value of a call warrant despite its multi-month tenure, ultimately depends on the closing price of just five trading days in the case of DRB-Hicom. If the underlying stock price had fallen below the call warrant’s strike price for that five days, it would have rendered the warrants worthless. 

Third, this may encourage future investors to just sell their call warrants on the open market if they make a profit, rather than wait for expiry and settlement. 

Fourth, it highlights the need for the authorities to exercise greater vigilance on unusual share price movements, especially when a call warrant is due to expire.

Finally, the issuer of call warrants also needs to take into account a stock’s longer-term prospects before issuing such instruments — or they risk being out of the pocket.

In DRB-Hicom’s case, few would have foreseen just a few months ago that the low-profile diversified conglomerate would have emerged on institutional investors’ buy lists. DRB-Hicom started garnering attention after analysts started appreciating its undervalued assets and it later acquired a 32% equity stake in Pos Malaysia Bhd.

Perhaps the most important lesson is that call warrants are a risky instrument for both the issuer and investors.


This article appeared in The Edge Financial Daily, August 1, 2011.
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post Aug 18 2011, 12:04 AM

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Hi guys, anyone received the annual report aldi? Proposed divvy 4 cents..
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post Aug 18 2011, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(justanovice @ Aug 18 2011, 12:04 AM)
Hi guys, anyone received the annual report aldi? Proposed divvy 4 cents..
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received. but the share price has been dropping since last few weeks =.=
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post Aug 18 2011, 05:31 AM

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DRB good entry circa RM1.90.
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post Aug 18 2011, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 18 2011, 05:31 AM)
DRB good entry circa RM1.90.
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post Aug 18 2011, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(qingweibuaya @ Aug 18 2011, 11:02 AM)
= = hope it never fall to tat  cry.gif
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If Euro zones cannot settle their debt, then below RM1.90 is possible!
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post Aug 18 2011, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(qingweibuaya @ Aug 18 2011, 11:02 AM)
= = hope it never fall to tat  cry.gif
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Can, why not? Gold up, EURO Zone battling with bad debt.

QUOTE(t5t @ Aug 18 2011, 03:27 PM)
If Euro zones cannot settle their debt, then below RM1.90 is possible!
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True, its just a beginning. More to come. Calm before the storm..
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 18 2011, 03:38 PM)
Can, why not? Gold up, EURO Zone battling with bad debt.
True, its just a beginning. More to come. Calm before the storm..
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we are already in the storm sad.gif
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post Aug 18 2011, 10:48 PM

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Tml shopping time for DRB...
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QUOTE(t5t @ Aug 18 2011, 10:48 PM)
Tml shopping time for DRB...
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post Aug 19 2011, 01:00 AM

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yes, tomolo time to buy. i start Q at 1.91

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