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post Jul 8 2010, 10:11 AM, updated 14y ago

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Published on Saturday, September 20, 2003 by the Guardian/UK
The Global Hierarchy of Race
As the only racial group that never suffers systemic racism, whites are in denial about its impact
by Martin Jacques


I always found race difficult to understand. It was never intuitive. And the reason was simple. Like every other white person, I had never experienced it myself: the meaning of color was something I had to learn. The turning point was falling in love with my wife, an Indian-Malaysian, and her coming to live in England. Then, over time, I came to see my own country in a completely different way, through her eyes, her background. Color is something white people never have to think about because for them it is never a handicap, never a source of prejudice or discrimination, but rather the opposite, a source of privilege. However liberal and enlightened I tried to be, I still had a white outlook on the world. My wife was the beginning of my education.

But it was not until we went to live in Hong Kong that my view of the world, and the place that race occupies within it, was to be utterly transformed. Rather than seeing race through the prism of my own society, I learned to see it globally. When we left these shores, it felt as if we were moving closer to my wife's world: this was east Asia and she was Malaysian. And she, unlike me, had the benefit of speaking Cantonese. So my expectation was that she would feel more comfortable in this environment than I would. I was wrong. As a white, I found myself treated with respect and deference; my wife, notwithstanding her knowledge of the language and her intimacy with Chinese culture, was the object of an in-your-face racism.

In our 14 months in Hong Kong, I learned some brutal lessons about racism. First, it is not the preserve of whites. Every race displays racial prejudice, is capable of racism, carries assumptions about its own virtue and superiority. Each racism, furthermore, is subtly different, reflecting the specificity of its own culture and history.

Second, there is a global racial hierarchy that helps to shape the power and the prejudices of each race. At the top of this hierarchy are whites. The reasons are deep-rooted and profound. White societies have been the global top dogs for half a millennium, ever since Chinese civilization went into decline. With global hegemony, first with Europe and then the US, whites have long commanded respect, as well as arousing fear and resentment, among other races. Being white confers a privilege, a special kind of deference, throughout the world, be it Kingston, Hong Kong, Delhi, Lagos - or even, despite the way it is portrayed in Britain, Harare. Whites are the only race that never suffers any kind of systemic racism anywhere in the world. And the impact of white racism has been far more profound and baneful than any other: it remains the only racism with global reach.

Being top of the pile means that whites are peculiarly and uniquely insensitive to race and racism, and the power relations this involves. We are invariably the beneficiaries, never the victims. Even when well-meaning, we remain strangely ignorant. The clout enjoyed by whites does not reside simply in an abstraction - western societies - but in the skin of each and every one of us. Whether we like it or not, in every corner of the planet we enjoy an extraordinary personal power bestowed by our color It is something we are largely oblivious of, and consequently take for granted, irrespective of whether we are liberal or reactionary, backpackers, tourists or expatriate businessmen.

The existence of a de facto global racial hierarchy helps to shape the nature of racial prejudice exhibited by other races. Whites are universally respected, even when that respect is combined with strong resentment. A race generally defers to those above it in the hierarchy and is contemptuous of those below it. The Chinese - like the Japanese - widely consider themselves to be number two in the pecking order and look down upon all other races as inferior. Their respect for whites is also grudging - many Chinese believe that western hegemony is, in effect, held on no more than prolonged leasehold. Those below the Chinese and the Japanese in the hierarchy are invariably people of color (both Chinese and Japanese often like to see themselves as white, or nearly white). At the bottom of the pile, virtually everywhere it would seem, are those of African descent, the only exception in certain cases being the indigenous peoples.

This highlights the centrality of color to the global hierarchy. Other factors serve to define and reinforce a race's position in the hierarchy - levels of development, civilizational values, history, religion, physical characteristics and dress - but the most insistent and widespread is color The reason is that color is instantly recognizable, it defines difference at the glance of an eye. It also happens to have another effect. It makes the global hierarchy seem like the natural order of things: you are born with your color, it is something nobody can do anything about, it is neither cultural nor social but physical in origin. In the era of globalization, with mass migration and globalized cultural industries, color has become the universal calling card of difference. In interwar Europe, the dominant forms of racism were anti-semitism and racialized nationalisms, today it is color: at a football match, it is blacks not Jews that get jeered, even in eastern Europe.

Liberals like to think that racism is a product of ignorance, of a lack of contact, and that as human mobility increases, so racism will decline. This might be described as the Benetton view of the world. And it does contain a modicum of truth. Intermixing can foster greater understanding, but not necessarily, as Burnley, Sri Lanka and Israel, in their very different ways, all testify.

Hong Kong, compared with China, is an open society, and has long been so, yet it has had little or no effect in mollifying Chinese prejudice towards people of darker skin. It is not that racism is immovable and intractable, but that its roots are deep, its prejudices as old as humanity itself. The origins of Chinese racism lie in the Middle Kingdom: the belief that the Chinese are superior to other races - with the exception of whites - is centuries, if not thousands of years, old. The disparaging attitude among American whites towards blacks has its roots in slavery. Wishing it wasn't true, denying it is true, will never change the reality. We can only understand - and tackle racism - if we are honest about it. And when it comes to race - more than any other issue - honesty is in desperately short supply.

Race remains the great taboo. Take the case of Hong Kong. A conspiracy of silence surrounded race. As the British departed in 1997, amid much self-congratulation, they breathed not a word about racism. Yet the latter was integral to colonial rule, its leitmotif: colonialism, after all, is institutionalized racism at its crudest and most base. The majority of Chinese, the object of it, meanwhile, harbored an equally racist mentality towards people of darker skin. Masters of their own home, they too are in denial of their own racism. But that, in varying degrees, is true of racism not only in Hong Kong but in every country in the world. You may remember that, after the riots in Burnley in the summer of 2001, Tony Blair declared that they were not a true reflection of the state of race relations in Britain: of course, they were, even if the picture is less discouraging in other aspects.

Racism everywhere remains largely invisible and hugely under-estimated, the issue that barely speaks its name. How can the Economist produce a 15,000-word survey on migration, as it did last year, and hardly mention the word racism? Why does virtually no one talk about the racism suffered by the Williams sisters on the tennis circuit even though the evidence is legion? Why are the deeply racist western attitudes towards Arabs barely mentioned in the context of the occupation of Iraq, carefully hidden behind talk of religion and civilizational values?

The dominant race in a society, whether white or otherwise, rarely admits to its own racism. Denial is near universal. The reasons are manifold. It has a huge vested interest in its own privilege. It will often be oblivious to its own prejudices. It will regard its racist attitudes as nothing more than common sense, having the force and justification of nature. Only when challenged by those on the receiving end is racism outed, and attitudes begin to change. The reason why British society is less nakedly racist than it used to be is that whites have been forced by people of color to question age-old racist assumptions. Nations are never honest about themselves: they are all in varying degrees of denial.

This is clearly fundamental to understanding the way in which racism is underplayed as a national and global issue. But there is another reason, which is a specifically white problem. Because whites remain the overwhelmingly dominant global race, perched in splendid isolation on top of the pile even though they only represent 17% of the world's population, they are overwhelmingly responsible for setting the global agenda, for determining what is discussed and what is not. And the fact that whites have no experience of racism, except as perpetrators, means that racism is constantly underplayed by western institutions - by governments, by the media, by corporations. Moreover, because whites have reigned globally supreme for half a millennium, they, more than any other race, have left their mark on the rest of humanity: they have a vested interest in denying the extent and baneful effects of racism.

It was only two years ago, you may remember, that the first-ever United Nations conference on racism was held - against the fierce resistance of the US (and that in the Clinton era). Nothing more eloquently testifies to the unwillingness of western governments to engage in a global dialogue about the problem of racism.

If racism is now more widely recognized than it used to be, the situation is likely to be transformed over the next few decades. As migration increases, as the regime of denial is challenged, as subordinate races find the will and confidence to challenge the dominant race, as understanding of racism develops, as we become more aware of other racisms like that of the Han Chinese, then the global prominence of racism is surely set to increase dramatically.

It is rare to hear a political leader speaking the discourse of color Robert Mugabe is one, but he is tainted and discredited. The Malaysian prime minister, Mahathir Mohamed, is articulate on the subject of white privilege and the global hierarchy. The most striking example by a huge margin, though, is Nelson Mandela. When it comes to color, his sacrifice is beyond compare and his authority unimpeachable. And his message is always universal - not confined to the interests of one race. It is he who has suggested that western support for Israel has something to do with race. It is he who has hinted that it is no accident that the authority of the UN is under threat at a time when its secretary general is black. And yet his voice is almost alone in a world where race oozes from every pore of humanity. In a world where racism is becoming increasingly important, we will need more such leaders. And invariably they will be people of color: on this subject whites lack moral authority. I could only understand the racism suffered by my wife through her words and experience. I never felt it myself. The difference is utterly fundamental.

Martin Jacques is a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics. The death of his wife, Harinder Veriah, in 2000 in a Hong Kong hospital triggered an outcry which culminated in this summer's announcement by the Hong Kong government that it would introduce anti-racist legislation for the first time martinjacques1@aol.com

© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003


Now, before any of you are willing to go on a berserk-racism mode, let me explain myself.

The problem with me is, I cannot help myself to ponder upon the issue racism as an attempt to discourage it, without looking towards a specific society, say, CAUCASIANS, which is a race completely free of any systematic racism. and from this article I've posted, a few statements affirms it:

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And the fact that whites have no experience of racism, except as perpetrators, means that racism is constantly underplayed by western institutions - by governments, by the media, by corporations. Moreover, because whites have reigned globally supreme for half a millennium, they, more than any other race, have left their mark on the rest of humanity: they have a vested interest in denying the extent and baneful effects of racism.


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Whites are the only race that never suffers any kind of systemic racism anywhere in the world. And the impact of white racism has been far more profound and baneful than any other: it remains the only racism with global reach.

Being top of the pile means that whites are peculiarly and uniquely insensitive to race and racism, and the power relations this involves. We are invariably the beneficiaries, never the victims. Even when well-meaning, we remain strangely ignorant. The clout enjoyed by whites does not reside simply in an abstraction - western societies - but in the skin of each and every one of us. Whether we like it or not, in every corner of the planet we enjoy an extraordinary personal power bestowed by our color It is something we are largely oblivious of, and consequently take for granted, irrespective of whether we are liberal or reactionary, backpackers, tourists or expatriate businessmen.
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The most striking example by a huge margin, though, is Nelson Mandela. When it comes to color, his sacrifice is beyond compare and his authority unimpeachable. And his message is always universal - not confined to the interests of one race. It is he who has suggested that western support for Israel has something to do with race. It is he who has hinted that it is no accident that the authority of the UN is under threat at a time when its secretary general is black. And yet his voice is almost alone in a world where race oozes from every pore of humanity. In a world where racism is becoming increasingly important, we will need more such leaders. And invariably they will be people of color: on this subject whites lack moral authority. I could only understand the racism suffered by my wife through her words and experience. I never felt it myself. The difference is utterly fundamental.



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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 8 2010, 10:11 AM)
Now, before any of you are willing to go on a berserk-racism mode, let me explain myself.

The problem with me is, I cannot help myself to ponder upon the issue racism as an attempt to discourage it, without looking towards a specific society, say, CAUCASIANS, which is a race completely free of any systematic racism. and from this article I've posted, a few statements affirms it:
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Deadlocks,

So, what is YOU POINT???

The FOUNDATION to COMBAT any kind of RACISM is

A) Multi-culturalism -> Aka, the WILLINGNESS to BELIEVE that there is MORE THAN one way to live a life. Aka, a person has the RIGHT to live the life that they want...

B) FAIRNESS -> CONSCIOUS decision to make sure that EVERYONE is treated EQUALLY in YOUR OWN personal dealing.

Aka, the Golden Rule,

Treat others like how you like to be treated.

A fish is not aware that of the water that they lived in. Aka, this is CULTURE.

Let's take some examples:

1) Group A BELIEVE that they are strongly religious. They BELIEVE that their religion is the ONLY PATH. They BELIEVE that people NOT in their religion is IMMORAL. Hence, they tried to IMPOSE their RELIGIOUS law on OTHERS. They DO NOT CONSIDER this as WRONG. They are trying to save OTHERS soul. Is this RACISM aka skin deep?? Or, it is DEEPER than that??

2) Group B BELIEVE in education. They BELIEVE any group that is NOT as aggressive or obsess with EDUCATION are backward and not as advanced. They look down on people that spend more effort on RELIGION than EDUCATION. So, what do you call this as??

Every CULTURES have a set of VALUE SYSTEM and EXPECTATION. ALL CULTURES are WRONG in one way or another. But, HUMAN BEINGS are LAZY. It is EASIER to try to FORCE their own set of CULTURE on someone else than try to UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT some other CULTURES. That is a MORE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM than a skin deep problem like RACISM.

Dreamer

P.S.: Malaysia is WHERE East meet West. We have a lot more different cultures in this country and we have NO DOMINANT culture. Ditto on religions. But, our awareness of CULTURES beyond our own is SLIM to NONE. Why that is TRUE??

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 8 2010, 10:40 AM)
Deadlocks,

So, what is YOU POINT???

The FOUNDATION to COMBAT any kind of RACISM is

A) Multi-culturalism -> Aka, the WILLINGNESS to BELIEVE that there is MORE THAN one way to live a life. Aka, a person has the RIGHT to live the life that they want...

B) FAIRNESS ->  CONSCIOUS decision to make sure that EVERYONE is treated EQUALLY in YOUR OWN personal dealing.

Aka, the Golden Rule,

Treat others like how you like to be treated.

A fish is not aware that of the water that they lived in.  Aka, this is CULTURE.

Let's take some examples:

1) Group A BELIEVE that they are strongly religious.  They BELIEVE that their religion is the ONLY PATH.  They BELIEVE that people NOT in their religion is IMMORAL.  Hence, they tried to IMPOSE their RELIGIOUS law on OTHERS.  They DO NOT CONSIDER this as WRONG.  They are trying to save OTHERS soul.  Is this RACISM aka skin deep?? Or, it is DEEPER than that??

2) Group B BELIEVE in education.  They BELIEVE any group that is NOT as aggressive or obsess with EDUCATION are backward and not as advanced.  They look down on people that spend more effort on RELIGION than EDUCATION.  So, what do you call this as??

Every CULTURES have a set of VALUE SYSTEM and EXPECTATION.  ALL CULTURES are WRONG in one way or another.  But, HUMAN BEINGS are LAZY.  It is EASIER to try to FORCE their own set of CULTURE on someone else than try to UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT some other CULTURES.  That is a MORE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM than a skin deep problem like RACISM.

Dreamer

P.S.:  Malaysia is WHERE East meet West.  We have a lot more different cultures in this country and we have NO DOMINANT culture.  Ditto on religions.  But, our awareness of CULTURES beyond our own is SLIM to NONE.  Why that is TRUE??
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Do you believe in the hierarchy of race from the first post?
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 8 2010, 02:36 PM)
Do you believe in the hierarchy of race from the first post?
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Yes and no...

1) Yes, I believe that SOME PEOPLE are STUPID enough to believe that WHITE PEOPLE are SUPERIOR.

2) No for Chinese in Malaya and Singapore. During WWII, the British ran away instead of fighting the Japanese and left the Chinese to be MASSACRED by the Japanese. After this BETRAYAL, Chinese no longer consider the WHITE to be SUPERIOR. During our childhood, we even have a song on this.

3) For my family, we are SPREAD across 30+ countries in the world. So, we do not believe in this RACE stuff. But, we BELIEVE group of people that TREATED EDUCATION seriously tend to get ahead versus those that are don't.

4) Have you ever live and work oversea??

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 8 2010, 11:11 AM)
Now, before any of you are willing to go on a berserk-racism mode, let me explain myself.

The problem with me is, I cannot help myself to ponder upon the issue racism as an attempt to discourage it, without looking towards a specific society, say, CAUCASIANS, which is a race completely free of any systematic racism. and from this article I've posted, a few statements affirms it:
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grow up.....

discrimination is EVERYWHERE

and race is just one of them......

race, sex, religion, country, state, spoken language, schools, groups, etc...........

sg chinese discriminate msia chinese

french vs english; when I was in UK, the BBC(british born chinese) saw me as immigrants thought I was for study doh.gif

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 8 2010, 06:54 PM)

1) Yes, I believe that SOME PEOPLE are STUPID enough to believe that WHITE PEOPLE are SUPERIOR.

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I read about natural selection long time ago that the White people "Neanderthal" are more advanced in gene compared to others "Peking man" and black "African / aborigine" are the most primitive in scientific terms; each of their children can have different colour hair & eyes is the visible fact and their physical build are bigger.
The African look the same, facial features that resembled to the gorilla (no offence) we don't need high education to notice, this is the result of in-breeding.

WHITE are more superior because their culture successfully transfered knowledge through documentation and the first to derive the many systems that govern a society, ask yourself who gave us the education content in our school? The Western civilization other than history even the calendar.

We can't deny the fact however educated we become, in fact, if you look at the map and take African and mix with Chinese, you get brown in the middle and if you ever come across "Chinese-Indian" they look like the Malay. Most of us do think that WHITE or Caucasian do look better and most of the local advertisements prefer Chinese and skin whitening products are top selling cosmetic.

Why Asian can't win the world cup? Blame it on the short gene.







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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jul 9 2010, 02:35 AM)

WHITE are more superior because their culture successfully transfered knowledge through documentation and the first to derive the many systems that govern a society, ask yourself who gave us the education content in our school? The Western civilization other than history even the calendar.

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I watched in discovery that it is said whites are effects from malnutrition from last ice age.... that is why their pigment turn white
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Jul 9 2010, 02:25 PM)
I watched in discovery that it is said whites are effects from malnutrition from last ice age.... that is why their pigment turn white
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Their skin lack pigment (Melanin) and prone to skin cancer, which termed WHITE people, the only defect I can think of and they love sun bath while silly people want to bleach their skin, they can also handle alcohol better than us.


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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jul 9 2010, 04:56 PM)
Their skin lack pigment (Melanin) and prone to skin cancer, which termed WHITE people, the only defect I can think of and they love sun bath while silly people want to bleach their skin, they can also handle alcohol better than us.
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chinese also a hell of a drinker biggrin.gif
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Oil producing countries are rich, did they make the rules or the intelligent. Almost sounded like Arab vs Jew, the White are few hundred years ahead in technology and they are not sharing them only those that made others good consumers.

Just a thought; if there are no pirated software, do you think PC user will grow at the same rate? Give is to receive because what goes around comes around. Chinaman style will never do that and they remain as family businesses than become a corporate entity.
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jul 9 2010, 03:56 PM)
Their skin lack pigment (Melanin) and prone to skin cancer, which termed WHITE people, the only defect I can think of and they love sun bath while silly people want to bleach their skin, they can also handle alcohol better than us.
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but being white is not without its advantage , it permits the skin to absorb more sun light which in turn lead to synthesis of more vitamin D biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ComposMentis @ Jul 11 2010, 11:21 AM)
but being white is not without its advantage , it permits the skin to absorb more sun light which in turn lead to synthesis of more vitamin D  biggrin.gif
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higher risk to melanoma

vit D requirement is easily met anyway....

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 8 2010, 06:54 PM)
Deadlocks,

Yes and no...

1) Yes, I believe that SOME PEOPLE are STUPID enough to believe that WHITE PEOPLE are SUPERIOR.

2) No for Chinese in Malaya and Singapore.  During WWII, the British ran away instead of fighting the Japanese and left the Chinese to be MASSACRED by the Japanese.  After this BETRAYAL, Chinese no longer consider the WHITE to be SUPERIOR.  During our childhood, we even have a song on this

3) For my family, we are SPREAD across 30+ countries in the world.  So, we do not believe in this RACE stuff.  But, we BELIEVE group of people that TREATED EDUCATION seriously tend to get ahead versus those that are don't.

4) Have you ever live and work oversea??

Dreamer
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That's not necessarily true. Haven't you noticed how isolated an Asian is when he/she is in a European country, compared to how venerated a Caucasian is when he/she is in an Asian country? If you've lived and worked overseas, you should be able to able to observe this typical social construction.

And have you ever wondered what will be your perceptions if you're born as a Caucasian? Wouldn't you, as the Caucasian, will feel as if you have the world's confidence, especially considering the fact that most successful capitalist corporations actually belonged to Americans/Europeans? To know that whever you go, you will always see the "Coca-Cola" brand, even if they're changed in different languages? How many Asians corporations are as dominant as them?

The idea is not to think that white people are superior, but rather to UNDERSTAND where did they get their confidence from. And also why are they venerated in Asian countries compared to Asians in European countries.

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Well, Chinese(from China) and Indian(from India) do have a different perspective which I encountered. The are not afraid to venture to another countries as they always have this quote "We(Chinese/Indian) can be found in any corner of the world". Indeed this is true as you can meet them in many countries.

With this mindset, they do have an advantage compare to different race. We can always see Chinatown in foreign countries. Chinese know where to go as their ancestors or previous generations did leave some traces in foreign soils.
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This race group also known to be selfish and not trust worthy, there is a Malaysian Chinese saying; rather take a chance on the sneak than trust the Indian:)
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 8 2010, 06:54 PM)
1) Yes, I believe that SOME PEOPLE are STUPID enough to believe that WHITE PEOPLE are SUPERIOR.


Do you believe that the Chinese are superior?


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Advancement in science overwhelm everything and dominate the economy, The white are the one who did that first and continue to lead, the gene is no longer a factor except in sport & climate adaptation but education and ideology.
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interesting topic
this is one of my essence in debating in RWI
whether they want to admit it or not
some race do feel they are superior than other..

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Aug 16 2010, 08:15 AM)
interesting topic
this is one of my essence in debating in RWI
whether they want to admit it or not
some race do feel they are superior than other..
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Some people believe that their race is INFERIOR. They rather take that EXCUSE than improve themselves.

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Added on August 16, 2010, 8:27 am
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 8 2010, 06:54 PM)


3) For my family, we are SPREAD across 30+ countries in the world.  So, we do not believe in this RACE stuff.  But, we BELIEVE group of people that TREATED EDUCATION seriously tend to get ahead versus those that are don't.

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QUOTE(dax8 @ Jul 17 2010, 08:34 PM)
Do you believe that the Chinese are superior?
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I had answered the question.

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