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Humanities The Hierachy of Race?, No racism intended.

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dreamer101
post Jul 8 2010, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 8 2010, 10:11 AM)
Now, before any of you are willing to go on a berserk-racism mode, let me explain myself.

The problem with me is, I cannot help myself to ponder upon the issue racism as an attempt to discourage it, without looking towards a specific society, say, CAUCASIANS, which is a race completely free of any systematic racism. and from this article I've posted, a few statements affirms it:
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Deadlocks,

So, what is YOU POINT???

The FOUNDATION to COMBAT any kind of RACISM is

A) Multi-culturalism -> Aka, the WILLINGNESS to BELIEVE that there is MORE THAN one way to live a life. Aka, a person has the RIGHT to live the life that they want...

B) FAIRNESS -> CONSCIOUS decision to make sure that EVERYONE is treated EQUALLY in YOUR OWN personal dealing.

Aka, the Golden Rule,

Treat others like how you like to be treated.

A fish is not aware that of the water that they lived in. Aka, this is CULTURE.

Let's take some examples:

1) Group A BELIEVE that they are strongly religious. They BELIEVE that their religion is the ONLY PATH. They BELIEVE that people NOT in their religion is IMMORAL. Hence, they tried to IMPOSE their RELIGIOUS law on OTHERS. They DO NOT CONSIDER this as WRONG. They are trying to save OTHERS soul. Is this RACISM aka skin deep?? Or, it is DEEPER than that??

2) Group B BELIEVE in education. They BELIEVE any group that is NOT as aggressive or obsess with EDUCATION are backward and not as advanced. They look down on people that spend more effort on RELIGION than EDUCATION. So, what do you call this as??

Every CULTURES have a set of VALUE SYSTEM and EXPECTATION. ALL CULTURES are WRONG in one way or another. But, HUMAN BEINGS are LAZY. It is EASIER to try to FORCE their own set of CULTURE on someone else than try to UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT some other CULTURES. That is a MORE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM than a skin deep problem like RACISM.

Dreamer

P.S.: Malaysia is WHERE East meet West. We have a lot more different cultures in this country and we have NO DOMINANT culture. Ditto on religions. But, our awareness of CULTURES beyond our own is SLIM to NONE. Why that is TRUE??

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post Jul 8 2010, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 8 2010, 02:36 PM)
Do you believe in the hierarchy of race from the first post?
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Deadlocks,

Yes and no...

1) Yes, I believe that SOME PEOPLE are STUPID enough to believe that WHITE PEOPLE are SUPERIOR.

2) No for Chinese in Malaya and Singapore. During WWII, the British ran away instead of fighting the Japanese and left the Chinese to be MASSACRED by the Japanese. After this BETRAYAL, Chinese no longer consider the WHITE to be SUPERIOR. During our childhood, we even have a song on this.

3) For my family, we are SPREAD across 30+ countries in the world. So, we do not believe in this RACE stuff. But, we BELIEVE group of people that TREATED EDUCATION seriously tend to get ahead versus those that are don't.

4) Have you ever live and work oversea??

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post Aug 16 2010, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Aug 16 2010, 08:15 AM)
interesting topic
this is one of my essence in debating in RWI
whether they want to admit it or not
some race do feel they are superior than other..
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raul88,

Some people believe that their race is INFERIOR. They rather take that EXCUSE than improve themselves.

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Added on August 16, 2010, 8:27 am
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 8 2010, 06:54 PM)


3) For my family, we are SPREAD across 30+ countries in the world.  So, we do not believe in this RACE stuff.  But, we BELIEVE group of people that TREATED EDUCATION seriously tend to get ahead versus those that are don't.

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QUOTE(dax8 @ Jul 17 2010, 08:34 PM)
Do you believe that the Chinese are superior?
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dax8,

I had answered the question.

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post Aug 16 2010, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Aug 16 2010, 12:32 PM)
That's not necessarily true. Haven't you noticed how isolated an Asian is when he/she is in a European country, compared to how venerated a Caucasian is when he/she is in an Asian country? If you've lived and worked overseas, you should be able to able to observe this typical social construction.

And have you ever wondered what will be your perceptions if you're born as a Caucasian? Wouldn't you, as the Caucasian, will feel as if you have the world's confidence, especially considering the fact that most successful capitalist corporations actually belonged to Americans/Europeans? To know that whever you go, you will always see the "Coca-Cola" brand, even if they're changed in different languages? How many Asians corporations are as dominant as them?

The idea is not to think that white people are superior, but rather to UNDERSTAND where did they get their confidence from. And also why are they venerated in Asian countries compared to Asians in European countries.
On the contrary, it is people who believed because they are NOT INFERIOR, hence they feel there was never a need to improve themselves. Only a person who is smart will realizes how stupid he really is.

And stupid people? They don't even know how stupid they are, simply due to the fact they are stupid, and worse, because they think they are NOT inferior in any aspects, especially in intelligence, and so they believed they DO NOT NEED TO IMPROVE.
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Deadlocks,

I had lived in Western Country for many years.

We need to separate two things here. Let's take one thing at a a time.

1) Confidence

Even if a person has confidence, it can go either ways:

A) Arrogance

Our culture are so superior that we do not need to learn anything and improve. Our gene is so good that we have the talent. We do not need to work hard.

The GOOD and BAD in Western Country is that their concept of TALENT. They believe either they have it or not. On the average, they do not work as hard if they believe they are not bornt with it,

B) Confidence to improve

i) Our culture is strong enough and it will not be destroyed by incorporating and learning from other cultures.

ii) We have the gene that is good enough to learn anything. We just need to work hard on it.


And, we can go to the other sides to

2) Inferior feeling

A) Our culture is so weak that it needs to be protected or it will die.

B) Our gene is so weak that it is HOPELESS to believe that we can compete even if we work hard. We are DOOM.


Dreamer

P.S.: I had lived in both Malaysia and USA. IMHO, all cultures are BAD. It does not FIT any individual perfectly. We need to pick and choose what works for us from each culture. Aka, I am a multi-culturalist.


Added on August 16, 2010, 7:12 pm
QUOTE(raul88 @ Aug 16 2010, 06:13 PM)
you didnt answer the question
say what you mean..and mean what you said
you're neither
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raul88,

I did answer. It is YOU that cannot accept my answer. Fix yourself and every problem will be solved.

YOU are the problem.

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post Aug 16 2010, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Aug 16 2010, 08:46 PM)
This I agree.

However:
How about:

C) We are so inferior therefore we should work hard to improve ourselves.

Wouldn't that thinking be better? Imagine if a person, say a typical, uneducated Mat Rempit finally decided to be humble and start learning from educated people. If he keeps thinking that he is never inferior in intelligence, how can he ever hope to improve himself?

Same thing goes for an ENTIRE RACE.
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Deadlocks,

The QUESTION here is do the person BELIEVES that their inferiority is

A) Cultural

Aka, something that they can learn and overcome.

B) Genetic

Aka, they are borned with this and they could NEVER COMPETE successfully with people with SUPERIOR GENE.

Now, there are people DO NOT BELIEVE in meritocracy to begin with. You are either born into RULING ELITE or MARRIED into RULING ELITE family or you are DOOM for life.

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post Aug 17 2010, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 17 2010, 06:13 PM)
Exactly. Like what i was trying to say, apart from cultural influence, genes are also a big factor for a superiority of the species..
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hazairi,

The QUESTION is

Is the MIND more important or the BODY??

Culture DRIVE the MOTIVATION aka the MIND.

Gene is ONLY the body.

If a person is NOT MOTIVATED to improve and utilizes their TALENT, superior body does not help.

On the other hand, even a person with INFERIOR BODY can improve and become something with MOTIVATION.

MIND over MATTER.

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post Aug 17 2010, 07:46 PM

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Folks,

Most things in life are not ABSOLUTE anyhow.

Most human beings have a package of genes that make them good for something and bad for something else.

If someone is a VERY GOOD at something, they will be VERY BAD at something else.

This is how it is in term of GENE.

The KEY of success in life is to make use of what you have. Have an attitude and mentality of NOT WHINING and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY of YOUR LIFE instead of blaming on OTHERS.

It is THE SAME with ANY CULTURE. ALL CULTURES are BAD. They are NOT SUITABLE for ALL circumstances.

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post Aug 18 2010, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 18 2010, 08:59 AM)
Can't deny that the mind is more important. But 'the body' also played a big roll.

Whites can become good sprinters than blacks BUT they have to work super-hard for that compared to the naturally muscled bodied of the blacks.

A mind of a miracle can produce wonders, but in terms of probability, how many miracles can the under-dogs achieve? smile.gif
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hazairi,

Looking at Chinese in Malaysia, how many miracles have you find?? Plenty...

No, it has nothing to do with gene.

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post Aug 19 2010, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 19 2010, 04:45 PM)
Like i said before, gene is one of the factor.. Others would be the culture and etc..

About the Chinese, IMO, they have been successful since long time ago.
The cultural influence have made them very hardworking. It's not a suprise to see them successful in many other countries.
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hazairi,

1) Then, there is NOTHING to prevent other people from copying the part of Chinese Culture that make them successful. The MOST IMPORTANT part is Chinese CARE about EDUCATION.

2) As per gene, there is no such thing as Pure Chinese anyhow. Northern Chinese are different from Southern Chinese. Southern Chinese are mixed with local native for at least 1,000 years.

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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Aug 19 2010, 06:57 PM)
I for one believe, everyone is born equal. Cultural factor do not exist since the day of ice age.

Cultural is something human created, and as we aged, it becomes history and part of our everyday's practise (culture).

Someone has to starts first, before others imitates and follows.
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keith_hjinhoh,

People has to CHOOSE to follow that culture.

By default, CULTURE dies with each generation. The NEW generation has to CHOOSE to follow it or it will be gone.

A culture has to be MEANINGFUL and RELEVANT with the NEW GENERATION or it will be gone.

All cultures have to went through this.

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post Aug 21 2010, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(rvn_rvn @ Aug 21 2010, 09:21 AM)
dude, i believe the malays and indians had to fight against the japanese too.
just not as many numerically as the chinese.
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rvn_rvn,

Dude, did 50% of the Indians and Malays in Malaya were massacred by Japanese during WWII?? They did not. Chinese did.

It is NOT the fighting that I am talking about. It is the SUFFERING.

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post Aug 21 2010, 09:30 AM

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Successful people make use of whatever that they have. Good and bad from their gene.

Mind over matter.

But, if you are from a culture that believe you are what you born with and there is NOTHING that you can do to improve that, you need to change your culture. Or, you are DOOM. No one else can help you.

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 21 2010, 11:21 AM)
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Soul2soul,

Most beautiful people tend to be Eurasians. Mixed blood between Europeans and Asians. Or mixed blood from multiple races.

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Aug 29 2010, 04:13 AM)
Even if it's GENETIC, how does it stops one from TRYING? Are there no good in the midst of bad gene pools? Are people forgetting that there are really exceptions?
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Deadlocks,

You do not get IT.

There are 2 kinds of people in the world.

1) Those that whine and believe that everything that went wrong is due to their gene.

2) Those that BELIEVE they could make a difference with their effort...

People that believe in gene DO NOT TRY at all. Hence, it is a self fulfilling prophecy. They are DOOM to fail.....

Ditto, people that believe they could do something with THEIR EFFORT will always DO SOMETHING. Hence, they could not fail....

It is ALWAYS in our mind......

We are what we CHOOSE to believe......

There are NO BAD GENE to begin with. Unless you are death because of your gene, it is always a trade off...

Let's take me as an example....

My family has VERY BAD gene on eye sight.... Me and my children are short sighted since 3 to 4 years old.. In my case, my family were so poor that I had no eye glasses. Hence, I could hardly see anything without sitting in the front row in the class. But, our BAD GENE on eye sight make us very good in hearing. Almost all in my family has PERFECT PITCH. Our gene make us good in music....

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