You really need to think before you post something here, kid. Posting post like this just made us know how far you know about dota.

You think I never thought about perma bash meh.... but bash dont stack over images, I've also thought about butterfly + heart combo, but evasion dont stack as over images as well, just getting 25% attack speed I rather buy hyperstone which are more cheaper. Burize the popular noobish item not much use to naga as well, naga's damage not very high (average base dmg is only 105 at lvl 25) getting it also not that effective, I rather get mkb or radiance over it.

The only thing that come across my mind would be guinsoo because ensnare cooldown is too long. I would net, mirror + manta, whack whack whack, guinsoo, whack whack whack, repeat net and whack. With heart + guinsoo + hyperstone combo, I believe I stand a chance to solo magina as well.

Any more idea ??

No. Images cant bash.

No. Only bug fixed and some balances changed. Author didnt release any figures as always, so we have to find it out ourselves. Anyone found balance changes yet ??

Hehehe... I'm not one of the pro lar... My dont even know to combo ulti I guess the reason we won the game is because our teamwork at the very late stage and they starting to have no teamwork. I can always see riki and magina ran out to kill alone. And their main heroes magina and riki got pawned few times just by me is also another reason they lose. Riki's drop gem twice because of my ulti, bwahahahahahaha............


Haha, jf ?? Lols, yea first time I saw manta bone. But really need to have good skill leh... your builds not suitable for noobs. Bone noob like me just stick to deso is better.

=.= Riki's smoke screen will chop down the trees just like Lucy's fire.

Hmm.. I wanna ask about that 3rd skill of pudge. Is it the str bonus you get is permanent ?? Would be pointless if it act like the soul trapper which lost his dmg once the trapper died.

Magina with basher GG razor if butterfly is with Magina too

Well... it depends on how you aim it. Burrowstrike, furion's tree (the one that trap ppl) and meathook are all position-based skill. It do not aim according to target but depends on where you click. Pro will always try to predict where you will be when they want to cast the spell.

Maelstorm dmg reduce from 200 to 150 in 6.17. That's the thing I notice so far. Any other changes you guys take note of ??

Item changes:

Maelstrom: changed from 200 to 150 damage chain.
Necromicon: Recipe price increased from 850 to 1000, summons tweaked:

Lv1: +15 INT, +5 STR. Demonic Summoning Skill:
Blue Warrior with 21 damage, Casts 200 Mana Burn. Last Will(passive): Upon death it deals 200 damage to the unit that killed it; Mana Break(Passive): each hit burns 25 mana.
Yellow Warrior with 21 damage with 2 passives: 10% chance on attack that opponent is disabled from attacking for 3 seconds, and +4% movespeed, +4% attack speed Endurance Aura.

Lv2: +21 INT, +9 STR. Demonic Summoning Skill:
Blue Warrior with 41 damage, 250 Mana Burn. Last Will(passive): Upon death it deals 400 damage to the unit that killed it. Mana Break(passive): Burns 50 mana each attack.
Yellow Warrior with 41 damage, with 2 passives: 10% chance on attack that opponent is disabled from attacking for 3 seconds, and +8% movespeed, +8% attack speed Endurance Aura.

Lv3: +24 INT, +12 STR, Demonic Summoning Skill:
Blue Warrior with 61 damage, 300 Mana Burn. Last Will(passive): Upon death it deals 600 damage to the unit that killed it. Mana Break of 75. Has passive truesight.

Yellow Warrior with 61 damage, +12% movespeed, +12% attack speed Endurance Aura, Pacify(active): Disables target from attacking for 3 seconds.


Mask of Madness: Gives +15% movespeed in frenzy up from 10%.

Ring of Basilus: Gives +6 damage from +3, gives +3 armour aura from +2.

I guessed that the changes on the items part. Now looking into heroes changes.

Heh, just to share.

Lol Henry, I remember that day you dont even know how powerful necro is and I have to show you the ulti dmg calculation. Haha, dont tell me now you addicted to necro already.

Now I have come out a item build for necro that use ulti to kill. Most of the time Necro go for scepter then skadi. I would test it out how deadly is Necro with scepter, then guinsoo, then come refresher. Guinsoo instead of skadi because once you are voodoo no magic reduction is taken into account, hence more dmg, can kill any hero with only 50% hp left *evil grin* And do I need to explain the use of refresher orb ?? One thing is these 3 items take too long to complete, normally it comes to end game once necro have gotten agham scepter.

Henry, let's try it out tonight. ^^

This post has been edited by TheNameX: Sep 28 2005, 07:30 PM

What do you mean by stack orb ?? If you are pointing the statement "orb effect does not stack", go search this forum, there are plenty post by me and others explaining what does the statement means.

Hmm... It's been a while since I have fun with Int heroes. Recently managed to own the game to beyong godlike with Int heroes such as Lion (battle lion total ownage) and Enigma (16 - 1, enigma combo is crazy ^^). And to my suprise, the opponents including powerful melee heroes as well. Before this I do prefer to use str heroes than int heroes because most of the int heroes depends heavily on their skill like Finger, Laguna and Reaper. So whenever they are bunch of melee heroes or a few get bkb they become less useful. And made them far less powerful in late game when every hero has 2k - 3k hp.

I think I should come out some new revolutionary strategy for Int heroes so that they can own from the start towards the end of the game so it wont be boring even though you face 5 end game heroes.

Uh.. What I've seen those pro using pugna are using decrepify and blast combo to kill at early stage. Hmm.. I'll try pugna tonight and let you know later.

Nah... Now I'm into those seldom use or least pick hero to train up myself.

When you are facing Enchantress, do not take her easily anymore. Due to the nature of her impetus, so she is required to keep distance with you, so enchant is a deadly harasser, far worse than lich because she can spam more quicker and more dmg than lich. And on top of that, since she keep distance with you, she are less likely to be taken down, no enchantress like to stay too near with their target. I found out that impetus casting range have been increase and I love one deadly move where once I throw the impetus and drag Enchantress away to increase my dmg^^

Last time you can impetus and teleport, but since 6.15 or later version they fixed it. Not sure on the blink dagger though but it's possible to drag away Enchantress after you throw the impetus to incur more dmg.

Nevermore's ulti dmg depends on the number souls collected and also the distance of you and your target, the nearer the target is and the more dmg you can inflict to the target. So normally nevermore I just go for lothar first then get skadi. The damage for lvl 3 ulti is around 900 - 1100 (lay man calculation, no idea how to calculate the actual dmg can be inflicted because hardly anyone can know the distance in figure form) I remember a few days ago I faced a morphling with only arournd 600 (well.. I guess he's too new using morph by morph all his str into agi) I lothar and stand beside him and ulti, one shot killed I bet he also dont know what happened even I killed him with the same trick few times.

Yes. The nearer you are with nevermore, the more dmg you going to take during his ulti.

For why ppl still playin 5.84c, once I read someone post saying that they enjoy the gheyness that 5.84c give to them. Like medusa with manta and morphling with proper spell steal are too strong, so they will just develop a way to kill it.

er... It's kinda hard to have all 5 target packed together, most of the time you can only get like 3 or 4... and mind you, the area of effect is only around 1/5 of the screen.

I dont think ranged attack can have that cleave ability of battlefury. Another hero that you cant recall is PA. I like superman with fv lol... I remember I manged to kill 3 heroes by chasing them down one by one hahahaha