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DotA Dota Allstars 6.41 V2, General Discussion
DotA Dota Allstars 6.41 V2, General Discussion
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Oct 6 2005, 02:04 PM
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Oct 6 2005, 05:24 PM
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Oh... so we lost lar after I dc ?? Haha... chen is now no. 1 super pusher in my list. I got the inspire to play as hard pusher from one guy that morning which dominate 4 creeps consist of 2 centaurs and push hard like hell. I guess I need to practice more on chen when I got the time.
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Oct 10 2005, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(The Hardest Thing In The World @ Oct 10 2005, 11:57 AM) Not sure, yonks since I used Medusa, but I will try it. Possible. Well.. in fact there is nothing impossible in Dota. It's just all based on the skill level and your team strategy. Yesterday I play as Chen in pub... Even though we have only some average hero while opponents have 3 end game hero skeleton king, naix and also lycan, we still won the game because of team strategy, push fast and hard with Chen. Naix and sk cant really help when we push our way along to their throne. Chen is so ghey and voted as "The hero you hate most" in that game lol~Anyways I want to ask this, is it possible, in your opinion, for a team whose heroes are AGI/INT(no stun, but has Guinsoo, BKB, Lothar's, Diffusal Blade) to win against a team that has a mix of everything(STR/AGI/INT, ie stun)? |
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Oct 10 2005, 05:09 PM
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Well... the best counter to nw I will say is ward at early game and gank it at early game. Just same as you bought ward when bone, bh, or riki is around during early game, they will just request to switch lane. Invi heroes is not a treat as they are in v5.84c.
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Oct 10 2005, 08:19 PM
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Yes. Changelog and download link posted in relevant topic.
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Oct 11 2005, 08:41 AM
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I dont get it why you have trouble facing nw when you already have a ward at early game ?? I never have trouble facing nw, it's just that how you play. Well.. a good solution if you cant beat it, gank it then.
My tactic in againsting nw is simple. If I cant stun, I get a mate who can stun. Always harass harass harass and make the nw farm in fear. I always give mentality pressure when my hero has the ability to gain advantage in early game. Last time I face nw with another mate of mine, the nw was harassed until he use his ulti everytime when he is in yellow bar. That's our ultimate purpose, waste his ulti. Then after he used his ulti, if he still not back off, then we will throw our strongest kill spell and ulti into him and finish him off, even though he hugging tower. At the end, nw could only switch to other lane. In Dota, you need skill, yet you need brain. Understand yourself and your enemy is the key to win. |
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Oct 11 2005, 06:17 PM
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Lol... well... I will scold still hahahahaha. (Wang and Henry, I'm harsh isnt I ??) But I will make sure I will bring in some advices in my scolding
PM me if you are interested. I'm not a pro but at least I'm willing to play and learn with person I dont know. |
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Oct 12 2005, 09:05 AM
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Drow dont need void stone. Better to buy 1 or 2 wraith band to boost up your stats a bit in early game. And also buy lothar so you can ww.
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Oct 12 2005, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(feizaiII @ Oct 12 2005, 09:24 AM) thx TheNameX ya... Get a ring or flask at start. You cant stay too long if you buy boots first if you face those pro that wont let you farm. You will start to have decent dmg once you get lothar in, then you can think about getting mkb, butterfly or burize. Use drow must be very sing muk because hp is quite low so you will have to compensate that with ww and boost your dmg to max.so first buy thread,then 2 wraith band,lothar,then if got money buy butterfly...izzit.. bkb need? u expert o,when wanna same team with me...bcome my si fu lo.. last nite gt one hero got 2 heart..his blood 5000++ o.. and gt one boon** so lc,said wait 10 year also cant kill he.. Si fu ?? Lol~ Play together can, but si fu, no lar... moreover not until that status... I'm just a noob. 5k hp with two hearts ?? You sure moh ?? You all really one thing, let ppl to farm until 3 hearts ?? GG jor lor.. 2 hearts already 4k hp with most of the str heroes. Luckily that guy get 3 hearts, if that guy go for 2 hearts + aegis or dr or burize, then he then can say 5 of you gank him 10 years also cannot kill him. He having fun over you guys leh if he go for 3 hearts, pity you guys. |
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Oct 12 2005, 12:30 PM
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It's not a mistake... let's us analyse it... typical heroes start with avg of 500 hp w/o any item bonus. And avg starting base dmg of a hero is somewhere around 40 - 50. Meaning, you can only take around 12 - 14 hits with that hp. So let's say if you have a RoR, give 2 hp/sec regen meaning in 1 minute, you can get 120 hp back if you are attacked 3 or 4 times. Thus making you to stay longer in the battle.
If you can a boot, the only adv you have over the enemy is you walk faster. But in early game, the most important thing is to stay in the lane as long as you can to farm and to get exp. So most pro would prefer hp regen item at start than a boot. Unless they are sure they are not going to get harass at the start. |
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Oct 12 2005, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(Ban Guan @ Oct 12 2005, 04:54 PM) i think the most useless ulti is bone....... You sure bone's ulti useless =.= Maybe for other hero yes, but not for bone. Bone hp is low, basically weak in str. So killing own creep to get a portion of the target hp is great for bone. Even when ppl come and harass you during your farming, you can always ww and wait the guy to get off. If you are low on health, using your ulti on own creep keep yourself stay longer. At least you dont farm in fear because your hp is low and regen slow. I would recommend bone to learn his ulti for 1 lvl after maxing strife and ww.i would not learn bone's ulti b4 Lv 19 i learn like this way=> 1,3,1,3,1,3,1,3,stats until Lv9 then baru ulti And for SyntaxEnt, you can find Henry in there. He has the same nick as in here. When you can find henry, you will find me. P/S: Henry, if you read this, DO NOT expose my nick in there before you get my permission. This post has been edited by TheNameX: Oct 12 2005, 06:15 PM |
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Oct 13 2005, 10:04 AM
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Haha.. last night use Lucy in pub game. Didnt use lucy for quite some time, to my suprise, managed to make a 19 - 1 result hahahahaha........... I could manage to get clean sheet (no die) but too greedy at the end of the game where everyone gank me >_< after my mates left the enemy base and I thought I'm invunerable ahahahaha.
Managed to get battefury, pt, heart, radiance. Forgotten to buy refresher orb, I'm a noob, isnt I ?? |
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Oct 13 2005, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(four_add @ Oct 13 2005, 11:18 AM) n00b here, so to play DOTA from home using internet, i have to purchase the original game right? is it the Reign of Chaos or with the Frozen Throne(the expansion)? Both also have to be original in order to access battle.net.QUOTE(Ban Guan @ Oct 13 2005, 11:39 AM) u play ver 5 or ver 6 ? v6. Nah, in v6 you still need refresher orb in order to fully utilize the power of doom. Satanic not a bad option also... but last night the hero I face only one str hero which is pudge and moreover my lvl is outrun the enemy by at least 5 lvls so a heart is just more than enough.if ver 6 , i dun think so u need a refresher ord.......u better get a satanic lar. if ver 5 , then u need a refresher ord and mom. |
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Oct 14 2005, 08:44 AM
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Oct 27 2005, 09:01 AM
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Oh really ah... then which mean today I must play Dota and let him beyond godlike lor ??
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Oct 27 2005, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(jibai @ Oct 27 2005, 01:52 PM) Er... first item I get for lucy will be void stone, followed by RoH. Then boot and claymore + hammer making battlefury. Then I will think either heart or refresher orb depends on the need. Lucy is not about his item build but more on how you play... owning with lucy required skill and good calculation. Btw, I'm saying about v6. |
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Oct 31 2005, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Oct 31 2005, 03:18 AM) 612 AI SUXXORZ when you played with AI teammates - they dont bloody listen to commands -,- It's AI. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. What did you expect ?? I found it kinda funny and annoy looking all this blaming and complaining regarding the how "stupid" is the AI. AI will never be as good as human brain no matter how good is the AI programmer is. Do research yourself on that. at 1 time i got a lame sandking as a teammate, and all he does is LETTING PPL STUN HIM WHEN HE DOES THE 'EPICENTER' COMBO.....sigh... And keep on your complaining is just plain disrecpect to the creator, people created it just to share and not to get complain this and that. Create one yourself if you arent satisfied on what people have share to you then. |
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Oct 31 2005, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Oct 31 2005, 11:11 AM) ever heard of a shit called "contructive critism"? shitty things improve and they become better and better... why do you think dota has evolved from time to time, similar to the games we play, from 80's till now .... you like playing dota with shitty 2D graphics? Oh, then where is the "constructive" critism ?? All I see is the AI dont do this and that or cannot do that and this and some are just saying AI is stupid and easy to own. No programmer can improve from those statements, mind you. ...unless you're that kind of lame jack that doesnt complain after got smacked in the face by an ugly farce for no reason, then i have nothing further to say... |
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Oct 31 2005, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(sanjikun @ Oct 31 2005, 02:30 PM) open up your eyes big... why did the maker bother to put in shared control when it doesnt listen to YOUR commands... That one you will need to refer to the creator himself. I do not know why he want to do that, unless he has specified it's for what you've mentioned and still the AIs didnt do what they are supposed to do, then that's bug to him.dont you think it's pretty retarded? and that "No programmer can improve from those statements" is trully YOUR statement alone, mind you... Ok, let's just imagine the situation, I'm the programmer right now, I have all this f*cking sh*t of coding in front of me, and I got loads of complaint saying that the AI is stupid, hmm.... oh f*ck, what should I do. Pull my hairs ?? Bang the monitor ?? Kick the CPU ?? (no joke, saw that video in a MNC company, the programmers went berserk after cant solve a bug) Come on, pity the programmer a bit, this is a non-profit project, give something at least, what you've just said, constructive. Programming is never an easy task, it requires a lot of creative thinking, some new ideas would always be great to them. |
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Nov 1 2005, 02:49 PM
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OMG~ IceFrog really mean it. Now a lot of "standard" build cannot be used anymore on certain hero.
First one, treant, get refresher orb ?? Think about it. Lvl 3 overgrowth now consume 300 mana. :S Second, sand king, es, slardar, and those low mana pool str heroes, once I get dagger and you are cook... I dont think so now, dagger now consume 90 mana :S Going to test it now. |
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