5.84c yes, those are consider as seldom-pick heroes but not in 6.09b, since balance issues has been considered, almost every hero is that useful. But I do agree broodmother need to buff, still the least-use hero till now in 6.09b. Ogre is powerful, but only if you know how to use it, saw it ownage the game few times. Naga is also crazy due to high chances of critical and mirror. Another least use hero, pudge 2.0, simply depends the skill of the player, guess that's what make people type -repick if random to it.

Wah hai... So shock playing dota ?? I sudah lama takda main oh~ Play where ?? Haha, see you play with HenryLow then I know where adi hahaha... Ok, see you guys there tonight

Wah hai... cannot tahan edi, come come we play tonight... what's your guys nick in there ??

Walao... like a map wandering roshan.... the true tanker~ ^^

Hahaha... but also good for being big, can cheat noobie like me... I sure I will first run fast fast "soook sa" when I see this big of tiny bashing way through.

For the animal courier, see above post.

1) Add most damage would be divine rapier (+dmg 250) while add most strength would be reaver (+32 str).

2) Ok, for this question, we'll have to start Warcraft III 101.

Iin warcraft 3, there are 3 attributes (or you called it stats, sometimes) to a heroes. These attributes will determine how strong or how good you called it of a hero. These 3 attributes are strength, agility and intelligence. These 3 attributes contribute to a hero hp, mp, speed, attack speed and blah blah blah. Here I enlist them for your perusal,

Strength - Increase 25 HP every point
- Increase HP regen by 0.5 per second for every point

Agility - Increase attack speed by 2% for every point
- Increase armor by 1 for every 3 points

Intelligence - Increase 15 MP for every point
- Increase MP regen by 0.5 per second for every point.

Ok, clear now ?? Getting familiar with all these attributes and what they do is important especially in Dota games because when every heroes have their own weakness and when you try to pump up the hero weakness you have to know which attributes to add up to.

And on top on that, every hero have their own PRIMARY attributes. PRIMARY attribute meaning these heroes have chosen 1 from the 3 above attributes as their primary one. So every time when you add up the primary attribute of that hero, you get extra bonus in your damage by adding max dmg 1 and min dmg 1 (Correct me if I'm wrong). For example, Lina the Slayer, an INT hero, meaning, this woman has choose INT as her primary attributes. So whenever you powerup her INT attributes, not just you get the bonus listed above, but you also entitled to have extra dmg due to INT is her PRIMARY attributes.

How to know the hero's primary attributes, easy, select the hero, look at the middle section of the hero and you will see one golden color square symbol, just on the left hand side of those attributes. The symbol would be either a fist (strength), foot (agility) and a head with the brain highlighted in blue color (intelligence). And as you have guessed, the symbol represent the primary attribute of that hero. Move the mouse over to the symbol and you will have an explanation as above. Understand about it now ??

So, back to question, which is more important. You must know that in Dota is not just a solo killing game, well, as a matter of fact, you can play soloing if you like, but you aint going to get people to team you up if they know you are a total soloer, mind you. Dota is a team game so every player play an important role. The roles are basically divided into PKiller (player killer, high dmg and have abilities to kill a hero easily, some INT heroes and most AGI heroes are in this category like BONE & SLAYER), disabler (the offensive-support character, these player will disable or put the enemy into uselessness state so they are stunned, cannot move and cannot cast magic. Good disabler are LION & SHAMAN), pusher (this hero will mainly to fasten the speed to get rid of those towers by enhancing the creeps and summon more creeps to come forth. Example OMNIKNIGHT, SILENCER & FURION), last but not least, healer (the defensive-support unit, capability to heal and enhance the defense of everyone. example, OMNIKNIGHT & SILENCER)

The above are just the very very basic of it AND dont stuck your mind on "I must play as blah_blah_role if I choose blah_blah_hero". Be creative, there are plenty of heroes that you can choose how to play it. For example, OMNIKNIGHT, this strength hero can play as PKiller, pusher, pure supporter, it all depends on how you gear him and how your playstyle would be. Another example, my favourite, LION, I play him as battle mage, meaning I can solo others despite of his low hp (since INT hero wont be great at HP), and I can be ownage sometimes and my kills wont be worse than thsoe Pkiller. Again, it all comes to your item & ability build and your playstyle. So, did I answer your question ?? If no, then you have play a couple more games and have a feel of it. And watch how others people play will generally help as well.

3) Depends. But will be preferably items that add up dmg, give critical damage, item that give bonus to HP and also items that increase attack speed.

Hopes it helps.

Eh... dont quite remember the numbers. And I just notice the figure given above are not for the dota since the map creator have changed the bonus you get for each attributes. The above are only valid in melee game. But the concept are there.

Er... Kinda hard to explain. It means that items or abilities that are as ORB EFFECT cannot be stacked or cannot appear simultaneously. For example, Sange & Yange is an orb effect item, so is Mask of Madness. So supposingly you have chance to stun and you can leech life from enemy, but because of ORB EFFECT DOES NOT STACK concept, you can only have 1 item in effect. If I'm not mistaken, the effect you have will be the one you bought last, so the first item you bought wont be taken in effect. I hope my explanation is simple to understand.

Hmm... Satanic and S&Y is orb effect... so which one is preferable ??

Enigma ?? Kinda easy. Just learnt the 1st and 3rd skill enough, and ulti. Harass your opp at the start with 3rd skill. Get a boot and directly go for eul then guinsoo. Use ulti when playing gangbanging. I just uploaded a replay in the replay thread demonstrating how me as Enigma and Naix turn the tide of a fantastic game which we got owned totally at early stage.

Today just saw my bro play as Lion which he totally own in a game and this thought came into my mind, how horrible is a lion with scepter + refresher orb =.=!! 3rd lvl finger with scepter is 1250 dmg with refresher orb X 2 = 2500 (With hero reduction bonus should deal around 2k) And havent mentioned the bonus damage Lion will get from these items. Anyone tried before ??

What is Ah Wang nick in there ah ?? I can see Henry there but mostly offline Mine is 5oulBuRneR in there. So when we can have a game together ?? Haha...

Ursa is easy to use, but tricky to use. You just cant rush into enemy line just like that, need to use brain a bit and familiarity of the map. And dont get MoM You need fury swipes to farm.

Well, ursa mana pool is not the real problem there if you really know how to equip him and play him well. I can always PK 2 heroes before returning to fountain.

To kill a ursa, easy, use stunner hero, or gang him and dont let ursa farm. Ursa is considered as an end game hero if you allow him to have those high lvl items. I found out Venom, QoP and PA are also good hero to press against ursa at early stage because of their shadow strike.

Lol~ Ah I got no time to play. I'll see if I could meet you guys up in the weekend. I was thinking to start to use naga and maybe start to learn on those unpopular / least pick hero. Any suggestions ??

Ursa ?? Easy easy, Boots, 2 bracers, then gloves of haste, then go S&Y. After that you can start getting item that give high HP like vit booster and hearts.

I just played a game using Naga. Wow not bad, I manage to get the highest kills in the game. All those red color damage is freakin crazy, see myself also scare. Net, mirror and manta, micro to surround the hero, whack whack whack, bye bye. If others come save, sing a song and quickly run back to fountain And naga farms very well at late, manage to get butterfly and left recipe for mkb before the game end.

Using sleep in solo-ing is a big waste to me because the area of effect of song is really big. I use song when the teams need it. Once you net the guy, just micro 6 nagas surround the target and it sure cant run away anymore.

150 - 250 dmg per hits. And additionally, you can have extra normal attacks if your attack speed is fast enough.

Ni kong sai....

Well.... if you want to compare, compare both of them with the same items. We all know items play a vital parts in Dota. Imagine the same situation again with troll has the same items, you will see the results clearly. And dont forget, troll can blind you as well.

Extra notes, getting 3 bashers is just plain noobish playstyle since you get lesser and lesser percentage when bashers are stacked together. Theoritically, 3 x 15% = 45% but pratically you get only 39% of chances. Not much different between 3 and 4 out of 10 hits will stun the target with uber attack speed. I rather spent the 3rd basher into something else like a booster or anything that help more.

You should go to .com forum there to look at all those math figure if you really want to master in dota. Without looking those figure, you will just always stay at beginner level. There is a Guide & List sub forum which I highly recommend anyone who like to master dota to go there and have a look.

Those are just theory. I didnt guarantee you WILL BECOME pro after reading in that forum. Willl your teacher guarantee you get first place in exam after telling you study hard ?? No, right ??

What I'm saying that, the forums over there have some really nice facts and figure which are necessary if you really want to be more pro in dota. NOT GUARANTEE YOU BECOME DOTA PRO.

Haha, I very hard to meet you guys lar..... I saw Henry on but very early he off liao.. I never meet AhWang there before lol~