Though I enjoyed the episode... I can't help but feel how silly the plot was. Danny going mental because of some bells, she could could have easily gotten her victory and stormed the Red Keep. Waddepak... I don't read the books but this episode was so illogical. Cersei was just moping the entire episode.
NK ending was disappointing now this... Oh dear. Next week's series finale better not get your hopes too high.
This season clearly shows how little D&D knows how to move the show forward without the book material.
Major character deaths but they are all so underwhelming.
The ending does not need to be happy, it has to be satisfying.
Don't think it was the bells
It was foreshadowed since first season already. I thought dany becoming mad was a long time coming already She was willing to do anything to get back the iron throne, executed people who didn't fall in line, she wouldn't make a good ruler anyways, since she was a shitty one back in meeren Only thing that prevented her from going full retard was her close friends, and those people are dead already
One big question remains.... In all that fiery carnage and wanton destruction, did the Iron Throne survived? Or will we just find a puddle of black, hard, solid mass where it once proudly stood?
It was foreshadowed since first season already. I thought dany becoming mad was a long time coming already She was willing to do anything to get back the iron throne, executed people who didn't fall in line, she wouldn't make a good ruler anyways, since she was a shitty one back in meeren Only thing that prevented her from going full retard was her close friends, and those people are dead already
Remember when she chained her dragons for killing one kid. ONE kid.
Sure, the writing hasn't been stellar this season... no excuse for that
But those people who claimed 'Daenerys suddenly turned mad and makes no sense' obviously forgot all the atrocities she had committed getting here...
Also, more foreshadowing for you
QUOTE
106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
• 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.
• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”
And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Here’s the point. Daenerys threatened multiple times to burn cities to the ground, she executed/murdered innocent people numerous times to consolidate power, she realized without love all she has left to rule with was fear, and she grew to distrust the only advisor trying to prevent her from burning down King’s landing.
She wasn’t “acting out of character” at any point in 805. She literally did the thing she’s threatened to do for multiple seasons.
This post has been edited by gaeria84: May 14 2019, 05:25 PM
Sure, the writing hasn't been stellar this season... no excuse for that
But those people who claimed 'Daenerys suddenly turned mad and makes no sense' obviously forgot all the atrocities she had committed getting here...
Also, more foreshadowing for you
Nah, Daenerys going mad is not the problem. She goes mad only by the approval of GRRM. Its the way they dumb down every single character in a sudden manner to make it convenient for their demise. Daenerys' decent to madness could have had more finesse instead of flipping a switch.
Nah, Daenerys going mad is not the problem. She goes mad only by the approval of GRRM. Its the way they dumb down every single character in a sudden manner to make it convenient for their demise. Daenerys' decent to madness could have had more finesse instead of flipping a switch.
Somewhat agreeable. She was 'driven' to madness step by step, through loss and 'betrayal'. Dany had lost my favour the moment she got so bent on the knees. Too obsessed over having control of others.
Somewhat agreeable. She was 'driven' to madness step by step, through loss and 'betrayal'. Dany had lost my favour the moment she got so bent on the knees. Too obsessed over having control of others.
I've already heard the so called leaks of the ending and if that is true, it will be the final nail in the coffin after 5 episodes of torture. It really awful and disappointing
I've already heard the so called leaks of the ending and if that is true, it will be the final nail in the coffin after 5 episodes of torture. It really awful and disappointing
Going for a Finale party in friend's house. No spoilers for me! Then again, GOT shouldn't be too predictable
Didn't know that there was a GOT thread in this forum.
I've never read the books so I'm not really angry with how Season 8 has panned out. As a visual spectacle it certainly is impressive but the writing is really lacking. This has been analysed to death so I won't bore anyone with my thoughts on it.
Pretty sure that Daenerys is going to die in the next episode, but I'm wondering how does the killer intend to get past Drogon? It'd be such a pity to have the last dragon killed just for this sake. But who knows, at this stage I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly Godzilla appears to burn everything.
I can only continue watching GOT 8 because I have spent so much time on it. This season was way too rushed and leaves too many unanswered questions. Really guess the writers want Dany gone based on the previous episode.