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ronn77
post Aug 19 2011, 09:29 AM

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Zoo keeper forgot to close the gate and let the bears out yesterday night.

Looks like plan to ditch some stocks for quick profits has been failed. LVS dropped back close to my buying level in just overnight. Hope it's just a pure profit taking to regain momentum for next round. I'm looking into short term play on some mobile producer company like NOK and RIMM for speculation play and will enter if the bear rules again tonight.
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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Aug 19 2011, 09:29 AM)
Zoo keeper forgot to close the gate and let the bears out yesterday night.

Looks like plan to ditch some stocks for quick profits has been failed. LVS dropped back close to my buying level in just overnight. Hope it's just a pure profit taking to regain momentum for next round. I'm looking into short term play on some mobile producer company like NOK and RIMM for speculation play and will enter if the bear rules again tonight.
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I think going to be more downside for the general market.
The dam showing cracks at 1140 support level.


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post Aug 19 2011, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 19 2011, 01:02 AM)
but WB disagree with you and still he made tons of $ out of WFC and here we are -pointless arguing.  doh.gif
Bank won't die overnight, that's for sure.

Mega sales start again. 400 points and gold is saying hello 1818$ per OZ and climbing. Sigh, 2000$ is just around the corner.
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lol,why I must agree with WB?Different people different perspective.
I am not arguing with you, I just want to state the basel III will erode the profit from bank all over the world.
Of course bank will not die over night, but i just want to reply your response the recommendation for long term holding.
again, I am not arguing with you...my replied is to aware those who want to involve in bank stock for long run should aware the existence of Basel III
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argument is healthy for the thread biggrin.gif
if here is all yes man - then no difference from bolehland political situation few years ago

One year ago, President Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Act into law, setting the U.S. on a collision course with economic mediocrity and a prolonged period of high unemployment.

Since the passage of Dodd-Frank, credit conditions continue to be tight, the securitization market is still frozen and massive regulatory overreach is making the cost of doing business at every level in the supply chain more expensive for main street businesses.

Not only that, but rather than ending "too big to fail," Dodd-Frank has codified it.

Congressional Democrats gave financial regulators appointed by the Obama administration full discretion to implement the law as they saw fit without first considering the broader economic implications of their scorched-earth approach to regulatory reform.

And implement is exactly what they have done — proposing more than 100 new regulations that not only reach banks, but also impact a whole host of unsuspecting entities, ranging from small-business owners and farmers to community banks, pension plans and manufacturers.

Blindsided by the cumulative cost of this albatross of new regulation, Main Street businesses have decided to put their hiring and investment decisions on hold. Even more alarming, a number of these businesses have said that if certain proposed regulations become final in their current form, then they will be forced to leave the markets altogether to avoid the regulatory costs imposed by Dodd-Frank.

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Aug 19 2011, 11:53 AM)
lol,why I must agree with WB?Different people different perspective.
I am not arguing with you, I just want to state the basel III will erode the profit from bank all over the world.
Of course bank will not die over night, but i just want to reply your response the recommendation for long term holding.
again, I am not arguing with you...my replied is to aware those who want to involve in bank stock for long run should aware the existence of Basel III
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Yeap.. I work in a bank.. Previously is Basel II, now Basel III.
More strict on the reserved issue already
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post Aug 19 2011, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Aug 19 2011, 12:10 PM)
argument is healthy for the thread  biggrin.gif
if here is all yes man - then no difference from bolehland political situation few years ago

One year ago, President Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Act into law, setting the U.S. on a collision course with economic mediocrity and a prolonged period of high unemployment.

Since the passage of Dodd-Frank, credit conditions continue to be tight, the securitization market is still frozen and massive regulatory overreach is making the cost of doing business at every level in the supply chain more expensive for main street businesses.

Not only that, but rather than ending "too big to fail," Dodd-Frank has codified it.

Congressional Democrats gave financial regulators appointed by the Obama administration full discretion to implement the law as they saw fit without first considering the broader economic implications of their scorched-earth approach to regulatory reform.

And implement is exactly what they have done — proposing more than 100 new regulations that not only reach banks, but also impact a whole host of unsuspecting entities, ranging from small-business owners and farmers to community banks, pension plans and manufacturers.

Blindsided by the cumulative cost of this albatross of new regulation, Main Street businesses have decided to put their hiring and investment decisions on hold. Even more alarming, a number of these businesses have said that if certain proposed regulations become final in their current form, then they will be forced to leave the markets altogether to avoid the regulatory costs imposed by Dodd-Frank.

I thought that passage was familiar.. it was BS political commentary written by Rep. Scott Garrett published by IBD.
He's knows nothing about Dodd-Frank implementation. The US banks already got around to it. I work in the call center that process US credit requests, already know that the US banks today are flushed with cash and pretty liquid. It has nothing with small businesses not able to get loan. It just that the demand been mediocre.. nod.gif






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post Aug 19 2011, 07:58 PM

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The politicians in USA are mostly impotence .

They know only how to play politics and talk a lot of cocks.

I think the Chinese politicians are more capable than the Americans.

One Fed Ben is better than the Whole Congress.

And The most stupid political system to hold the country or world at ransom.

And allowing the riches to pay less or no taxes.

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post Aug 19 2011, 08:08 PM

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The politicians there are just in the pursuit of their interest. Hence, you may see their behavior rather 'irrational'.
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QUOTE(honglun @ Aug 19 2011, 08:08 PM)
The politicians there are just in the pursuit of their interest. Hence, you may see their behavior rather 'irrational'.
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They are the footballers kicking their own people around. Protecting the riches like our Bolehland.

Land of disability and dysfunction.

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post Aug 19 2011, 08:21 PM

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That's why you see them do China-bashing a lot as it shifts the attention to the 'foreign threat'. They are so afraid of China because Chinese are finally able to get things done quickly faster than them.
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The political bickering in Washington got to stop. Their divided Congress is what causing this issue. Lack of confidence in the financial market. Lack of business incentives to grow. It doesn't matter who got control of the govt, either it has to be the Republicans or Democrats, both cannot be in the same kitchen here. Currently, either Obama got to kick the Republicans out of the house that's causing this rift or he has yield and stop running for 2nd term and gave the control back. That's what the market is looking for.

A lot of US businesses are saying that it is now easier to do business in Communist China than in US. biggrin.gif
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Stocks headed for more losses.
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 19 2011, 08:33 PM)
Stocks headed for more losses.
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Yes.. I'm looking for support at 1100-1120 area, then I start closing some of my puts position and load up on some longs.

LVS - long since 38, sold covered calls at 44.. will let it expired today.
AAPL - bought some Sept puts protection at 380. Will add another small batch of commons if we dive to $350. Not sure when close out puts yet until I can see some bottoming here. If AAPL drops below $350, if revisit $325 again, I load up big. laugh.gif

Lots of fear today because of fear of lack of "growth" problem in the G7 economies. Suddenly, they feel like Japan (stagnation). Financial media is playing into this. What they don't know.. businesses activities are picking up in August - hopefully it will be reported favorably in Sept. nod.gif

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post Aug 19 2011, 09:46 PM

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errrr .... Hp -20% . wow .
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HP is a goner for the decade. They are doing a revamp like IBM did during the dot com bubble years. I'm not sure if they are able to emulate the strategy.
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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Aug 19 2011, 09:46 PM)
errrr .... Hp -20% . wow .
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QUOTE(honglun @ Aug 19 2011, 09:48 PM)
HP is a goner for the decade. They are doing a revamp like IBM did during the dot com bubble years. I'm not sure if they are able to emulate the strategy.
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Live yesterday over Bloomberg : HP to exit retail PC business due to stiff competition of tablet market.
As I put on this thread 3 days back, the PC industry is dying.

Left corporate clients only. As what Honglun's reply - yes, they will emulate IBM.
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 19 2011, 10:01 PM)
Live yesterday over Bloomberg : HP to exit retail PC business due to stiff competition of tablet market.
As I put on this thread 3 days back, the PC industry is dying.

Left corporate clients only. As what Honglun's reply - yes, they will emulate IBM.
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Good luck with that.. even if HPQ now wants to do enterprise software services, they're probably years behind.

HPQ stock price been a P.O.S since last year. Bought it last year at $40.. dump $43. Made a meager few hundreds.
very poor performance despite slightly better earnings. Then, Q4, Q1, and Q3 came.. it becoming worst and worst after the new CEO took over.

Stay away from HPQ for now until they got a good results. On the mobile side, why would anymore want to buy that HP tablet (WebOS) made from the old Palm days anyway? Nowadays, it is Android or iOS tablets. Even MSFT can't compete.

Now, it is either AAPL or GOOG that rules the tech giant space.

GOOG - realized that they have to acquire hardware maker like MMI to have a complete vertical market. Made no money from Google software except for ads. Will have to see what GOOG plan is. It better be good.

AAPL - (thank goodness for S.Jobs visionary) continues to pummel ahead with new products. iPhone5 (to be released in Oct) and next iPAD3 (going to the factories now, speculate to be available next Feb/March 2012).






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according to theory, today is are rebounce day.. can buy in then release at the end.. smile.gif
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the whole world knows that us co. r sitting on trillions of cash & even obama is asking y r they not using it nod.gif
also y has demand been mediocre? irregardless, if anyone wanna blame Bush for all those things during his 8 yr presidency cool2.gif
then likewise, obama needs to be blame for things tat happens under his watch, coz he's an adult & no need teleprompters doh.gif

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/business-owne...re-regulations/

As the president doubles down on regulation — from labor, to carbon, to health care “reform” — business owners are crying foul. Regulation and the costs associated with it are all but incalculable, and are killing the very job creation on which President Barack Obama says he is focused “like a laser.”

See CKE Restaurants: according to a release from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform’s “American Job Creators” initiative, CKE owns or franchises 3,182 restaurants under the Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s brand names nationwide, employing more than 70,000. Each new restaurant generates roughly 25 new jobs and pumps more than $1 million into the surrounding community.

According to the release, to comply with just one of the hundreds of new regulations in the health insurance law CKE will be forced to spend approximately $1.5 million to replace all restaurant menus. That equals 17 percent of what the company invested in new restaurants in 2010.

Those are not the committee’s numbers: those numbers were provided by CKE’s CEO Andy Puzder. In a video sent out with the release, Pudzer said unknowns — in particular, health care — are stifling job growth:

You generally try to come up with a five-year business plan. You have to know what your expenses are going to be and generally know what your revenue will be. People right now are very worried about taxes because the president keeps talking about raising taxes so it’s very difficult to model that in the forecast. The uncertainty in the businesses community arises from a number of factors: taxes, energy and primarily health care.

Health care is probably the most significant unknown at the moment. People are unsure about how much it will impact their business, but they will know it will be significant and it will be negative. It’s very hard to model the cost because the bill is so complex. The range [CKE’s economic forecasters] gave us on our health care costs increasing was between $7.3 and $35.1 million. We spent about $9 million last year building new restaurants. That would be totally wiped out.

Puzder said he was given a best guess of $18 million on increased health care costs, double what they spent creating new restaurants and new jobs last year.

Puzder recently testified in front of the Oversight Health Care Subcommittee that those increased costs would force them to stop building new restaurants and possibly let people go:

We use our revenue to pay our bills and expenses, to pay down our debt, and we reinvest what is left in our business. New unit construction will cease if we have to allocate the monies for that construction to the [president’s health insurance law], and building new restaurants is how we create jobs.

Puzder said they’d also have to look at automation within their stores:

We will automate positions such as the cashier. Right now they have those ordering kiosks like the ATM. We haven’t used those because we like the personal touch and they are a little expensive, but once you implement this health care bill, I think those kiosks are going to become much more desirable. So I will be reducing labor force and also automating positions.

QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 19 2011, 06:48 PM)
I thought that passage was familiar.. it was BS political commentary written by Rep. Scott Garrett published by IBD.
He's knows nothing about Dodd-Frank implementation. The US banks already got around to it. I work in the call center that process US credit requests, already know that the US banks today are flushed with cash and pretty liquid. It has nothing with small businesses not able to get loan. It just that the demand been mediocre..  nod.gif
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 20 2011, 12:00 AM)
Good luck with that.. even if HPQ now wants to do enterprise software services, they're probably years behind.

HPQ stock price been a P.O.S since last year. Bought it last year at $40.. dump $43. Made a meager few hundreds.
very poor performance despite slightly better earnings. Then, Q4, Q1, and Q3 came.. it becoming worst and worst after the new CEO took over.

Stay away from HPQ for now until they got a good results.  On the mobile side, why would anymore want to buy that HP tablet (WebOS) made from the old Palm days anyway?  Nowadays, it is Android or iOS tablets. Even MSFT can't compete.

Now, it is either AAPL or GOOG that rules the tech giant space.

GOOG - realized that they have to acquire hardware maker like MMI to have a complete vertical market. Made no money from Google software except for ads. Will have to see what GOOG plan is. It better be good.

AAPL - (thank goodness for S.Jobs visionary) continues to pummel ahead with new products. iPhone5 (to be released in Oct) and next iPAD3 (going to the factories now, speculate to be available next Feb/March 2012).
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AAPL is king for now. Someday somehow some other company will be the King. Its cyclical in business world. One can't be on TOP forever.
GOOG is seen as a direct competitor for AAPL. Samsung is 2nd behind AAPL in sales of tablet/smart phones. With Galaxy Tab hitting the shores worldwide, no doubt Jobs' eggs are shaking hard. biggrin.gif

Long GOOG TP 700



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