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LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Drivers' Forum! V22, For all those SagaIswara Enthusiast
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Aug 18 2010, 12:27 AM
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@samuraiman
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Aug 18 2010, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 17 2010, 11:00 PM) difference between good tyres and average ones is the price... and of coz the grip and performance laa... if feels the same what for the need to use expensive tyre... for ur current tyre, its up to u what u wanna do with it la... u wanna use it to reserve parking at home or use as flower pot also can one... vr good alternative... my tyres is still 95% of thread infront and 85% behind... i want to do burn out coz is lousy tyres... and for the grip those tyres has grip far better than the original iswara 175/??/r13 one... even on wet road i feel more steady...there is no such thing as comfort and good handling all in 1 package... well, at least not the best of both world... u need to get the balance between it... chassis and suspension tuning is not as easy as engine tuning... (at least in malaysia yes).... first of all, chassis must be strong and rigid... reducing chassis flex is important... 2nd, get good shocks which pairs up with good spring... i recommend u to get coilovers... at least the shocks are properly paired with the spring rate... mix and match i more or less like trial and error method... in the end u might even spend more... no u cannot add another antiroll bar in front... 1 will do.. if u need a thicker one in front, u may enquire from UR to custom one for u... price ranges around rm4xx... overly reduced bodyroll on either front or rear can cause handling problem as well... hence, "bigger is not alwiz better"applies in antiroll bar as well... 4g91 with 4g93 block can be done... u will need to register ur engine as 4g93 as it follows the code on the block... turbocharging an engine is legal... hence, dont need to go through puspakom... i had already ask my friend who had tried the coilover absorber and they say the spring is as hard as the sport spring... i think of getting original spring and arbsorber with bigger arb custom make from ur or taken from halfcut to replace the one originally in car... as for my understanding, if the front arb is too thick that the car doesn't roll abit during hard cornering the front tyres will skid coz no pressure applied onto the outer tyres to prevent skidwhen turning... and for the rear abs if too thick the rear tyres will skid easily and each times when cornering hv to drift through the corner... correct me if i m wrong... if 4g91 with 4g93 block i will rather get a 4g93T... but i just can get to 4g91 coz 4g92 is harder to get and i can only upgrate to 1625CC... if 4g91 with 4g93 block is it count as 1.6L or 1.8L??? can i use the 4g93 code and register as 4g91??? Added on August 18, 2010, 12:37 am QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 18 2010, 12:27 AM) THAT'S NOT POISON!!! THAT IS T VIRUS WITH NO VACCINE!!!i want to turbo charge the 4g91 not becoz of the BOV sound (although i lik the sound), i want to extract more HP from 4g91 until reach it limits... i like the push back feel when the car accelerate faster... This post has been edited by samuraiman: Aug 18 2010, 12:39 AM |
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Aug 18 2010, 12:46 AM
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By the time the 4G91 reaches its limit..... it gonna be too late.
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Aug 18 2010, 12:49 AM
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put 4g61t only la. Direct fit. Dont have to mod anything. Ask rozz bring you for a ride. Consperm u wan 4g61t already.
Anyways, if you wanna play with turbo, why not get a engine design for turbo. if get 4g91, have to play alot of things, internals , turbine, intercooler, ecu and alot of hours spend in the workshop. |
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Aug 18 2010, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE(Shawnzz @ Aug 18 2010, 12:49 AM) put 4g61t only la. Direct fit. Dont have to mod anything. Ask rozz bring you for a ride. Consperm u wan 4g61t already. Y put me on the table leh??? Anyways, if you wanna play with turbo, why not get a engine design for turbo. if get 4g91, have to play alot of things, internals , turbine, intercooler, ecu and alot of hours spend in the workshop. |
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Aug 18 2010, 12:59 AM
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turbo kills ur pocket deeply when u have heavy foot
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Aug 18 2010, 01:03 AM
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Aug 18 2010, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 18 2010, 12:32 AM) my tyres is still 95% of thread infront and 85% behind... i want to do burn out coz is lousy tyres... and for the grip those tyres has grip far better than the original iswara 175/??/r13 one... even on wet road i feel more steady... there is no halfcut antiroll bar for saga iswara... ready made aftermarket ones are only from UR and its only for rear... front antiroll bar needs to be custom made because there is no aftermarket manufacturer bothered to make it...i had already ask my friend who had tried the coilover absorber and they say the spring is as hard as the sport spring... i think of getting original spring and arbsorber with bigger arb custom make from ur or taken from halfcut to replace the one originally in car... as for my understanding, if the front arb is too thick that the car doesn't roll abit during hard cornering the front tyres will skid coz no pressure applied onto the outer tyres to prevent skidwhen turning... and for the rear abs if too thick the rear tyres will skid easily and each times when cornering hv to drift through the corner... correct me if i m wrong... if 4g91 with 4g93 block i will rather get a 4g93T... but i just can get to 4g91 coz 4g92 is harder to get and i can only upgrate to 1625CC... if 4g91 with 4g93 block is it count as 1.6L or 1.8L??? can i use the 4g93 code and register as 4g91??? Added on August 18, 2010, 12:37 am THAT'S NOT POISON!!! THAT IS T VIRUS WITH NO VACCINE!!! i want to turbo charge the 4g91 not becoz of the BOV sound (although i lik the sound), i want to extract more HP from 4g91 until reach it limits... i like the push back feel when the car accelerate faster... too thick front antiroll bar will cause understeer while too thick rear antiroll bar will cause oversteer... but this also depending on other factor such as tyre limit, front/rear chassis flex, wheel alignment, etc... thats why chassis and handling tuning is much harder compare to engine tuning... it has to suit the driver's driving characteristics... 4g93 is 1.8L engine... yes if u planning to get 4g91 with 4g93 block, it is advisable to jz get 4g93t engine... internals are much stronger and can withstand higher boost pressure... yes u can use 4g93 block with 4g91 code stamped onto the block... this is illegal and not advisable to do it.... |
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Aug 18 2010, 03:21 AM
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QUOTE(Shawnzz @ Aug 18 2010, 12:49 AM) put 4g61t only la. Direct fit. Dont have to mod anything. Ask rozz bring you for a ride. Consperm u wan 4g61t already. i want my car to be road legal... but the original engine is 1.3L... for 1300 * 125% is 1625cc... Anyways, if you wanna play with turbo, why not get a engine design for turbo. if get 4g91, have to play alot of things, internals , turbine, intercooler, ecu and alot of hours spend in the workshop. my mechanic says that it is easier for me to upgrade to 4g91 as 4g91 MT is easier to get compare to 4g92 MT coz i m in sarawak... and if i want to upgrade to engine more than 1.6L it can be say as impossible to get approved (or else i use another way)... 4g93T is 1.8L and 4g63T is 2.0L... Added on August 18, 2010, 3:26 am QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 18 2010, 02:09 AM) there is no halfcut antiroll bar for saga iswara... ready made aftermarket ones are only from UR and its only for rear... front antiroll bar needs to be custom made because there is no aftermarket manufacturer bothered to make it... sorry... for what i mean is the 4g91 with 49g3 block using the 4g93 code but register as 4g91(1.5L)...too thick front antiroll bar will cause understeer while too thick rear antiroll bar will cause oversteer... but this also depending on other factor such as tyre limit, front/rear chassis flex, wheel alignment, etc... thats why chassis and handling tuning is much harder compare to engine tuning... it has to suit the driver's driving characteristics... 4g93 is 1.8L engine... yes if u planning to get 4g91 with 4g93 block, it is advisable to jz get 4g93t engine... internals are much stronger and can withstand higher boost pressure... yes u can use 4g93 block with 4g91 code stamped onto the block... this is illegal and not advisable to do it.... This post has been edited by samuraiman: Aug 18 2010, 03:26 AM |
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Aug 18 2010, 06:16 AM
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 18 2010, 03:21 AM) i want my car to be road legal... but the original engine is 1.3L... for 1300 * 125% is 1625cc... Dats y shawnzz mention to plonk in 4G61T inside ur Saga. Its easier to get it endorse compared with 4G9series engine. since u r planning to play with terbos, might as well u plonk in a 4G92, get it endorse and then only u swap the whole engine to 4G93T. Except the block number u can try risking punching it. my mechanic says that it is easier for me to upgrade to 4g91 as 4g91 MT is easier to get compare to 4g92 MT coz i m in sarawak... and if i want to upgrade to engine more than 1.6L it can be say as impossible to get approved (or else i use another way)... 4g93T is 1.8L and 4g63T is 2.0L... Added on August 18, 2010, 3:26 am sorry... for what i mean is the 4g91 with 49g3 block using the 4g93 code but register as 4g91(1.5L)... |
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Aug 18 2010, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 18 2010, 06:16 AM) Dats y shawnzz mention to plonk in 4G61T inside ur Saga. Its easier to get it endorse compared with 4G9series engine. since u r planning to play with terbos, might as well u plonk in a 4G92, get it endorse and then only u swap the whole engine to 4G93T. Except the block number u can try risking punching it. i tot 4g61T is turbocharged engine that cannot pass endorsement... that is what my mechanic told me... how much is the engine??? will it over rm10k???and compare both engine 4g61 and 4g91... which one is older??? can i still get the spare part for 4g61??? for the 4g61T if i want just istall the whole engine with original turbo into my car or did i need to change bigger turbo, bigger intercooler , e-manage, and so on to extract more power from it??? This post has been edited by samuraiman: Aug 18 2010, 07:39 AM |
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Aug 18 2010, 08:35 AM
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guys...
wanna ask a bit... currently i'm using pro ride std absorber n spring...feel the car a bit high la...if i get pro ride sport spring it will be lowered a bit right? hows the performance? |
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Aug 18 2010, 09:28 AM
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Aug 18 2010, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(shazmn @ Aug 18 2010, 08:35 AM) guys... got sample picture for pro ride sports absorber and spring mah from our brother gilbert wanna ask a bit... currently i'm using pro ride std absorber n spring...feel the car a bit high la...if i get pro ride sport spring it will be lowered a bit right? hows the performance? ![]() This post has been edited by yewwing: Aug 18 2010, 09:44 AM |
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Aug 18 2010, 10:07 AM
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what if std abs with sport spring?
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Aug 18 2010, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(yewwing @ Aug 18 2010, 09:44 AM) Added on August 18, 2010, 11:19 am QUOTE(shazmn @ Aug 18 2010, 10:07 AM) u can pair with it. but std abs wont last long This post has been edited by Gilbert5107: Aug 18 2010, 11:19 AM |
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Aug 18 2010, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(Gilbert5107 @ Aug 18 2010, 09:28 AM) Worth the $$$ u invest in it. Lots of advantages like Fuel Efficiency, Performance, can cope with ur current setup or future setup if u 1 2 "molest2" ur car... Poison leh.... mana I catacombs kata mau carik Emanis 2bijik |
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Aug 18 2010, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(Gilbert5107 @ Aug 18 2010, 11:18 AM) is iswara ok with those pro ride shock absorber and sport spring coz i feel the spring is very hard that it was not comfortable when driving on bumpy road... i can feel my case flex and twist and my door seal got sound... |
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Aug 19 2010, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 18 2010, 03:21 AM) i want my car to be road legal... but the original engine is 1.3L... for 1300 * 125% is 1625cc... get 4g91 twincam with 4g92 block... still maintain 1.6L engine... 4g92 block u can find abundance all around malaysia because proton wira 1.6xli uses the same block... my mechanic says that it is easier for me to upgrade to 4g91 as 4g91 MT is easier to get compare to 4g92 MT coz i m in sarawak... and if i want to upgrade to engine more than 1.6L it can be say as impossible to get approved (or else i use another way)... 4g93T is 1.8L and 4g63T is 2.0L... Added on August 18, 2010, 3:26 am sorry... for what i mean is the 4g91 with 49g3 block using the 4g93 code but register as 4g91(1.5L)... QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 18 2010, 07:01 AM) i tot 4g61T is turbocharged engine that cannot pass endorsement... that is what my mechanic told me... how much is the engine??? will it over rm10k??? 4g61t is 1.6L turbocharged engine from mitsubishi... originally turbocharged, hence can cope with higher boost pressure... engine mounting all plug and play to saga iswara... no mounting mods means no need to worry puspakom... the only thing need to custom is driveshaft... rozz can help u with it... haha...and compare both engine 4g61 and 4g91... which one is older??? can i still get the spare part for 4g61??? for the 4g61T if i want just istall the whole engine with original turbo into my car or did i need to change bigger turbo, bigger intercooler , e-manage, and so on to extract more power from it??? 4g61 is older compare to 4g91.... 4g61 shares the same parts with 4g63... well, almost if not all.... as i said, 4g61t is originally turbocharged... u can jz plonk it in, run it without problems till u pass ur puspakom inspection... after that only start think about upgrading... QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 18 2010, 12:56 PM) Worth the $$$ u invest in it. Lots of advantages like Fuel Efficiency, Performance, can cope with ur current setup or future setup if u 1 2 "molest2" ur car... oi... joshua got promotion emanis complete harness + installation + dyno tuning = rm1.5k...Poison leh.... mana I catacombs kata mau carik Emanis 2bijik |
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Aug 19 2010, 01:56 AM
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Plonk in 4G63T VR4 saja la.... setel. Go change bigger terbo, piston, stroked higher, bigger incooler and etc. 4g61T is a low compression durable engine only.... u can't gain much unless u rojak the parts with VR4RS/MirageRS or Ebo internals. By the time u re-bore or stroke the engine for bigger displacement, the block is not gonna last like original anymore.
If u compare Evo3 CR 9.5 with Mirage CR 8.0 only.... Dats y evo3 has better pickup @ low end and higher horse output. But evo3 ezy to pecah if not properly maintain Added on August 19, 2010, 2:04 am QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 19 2010, 12:05 AM) Come Puchong, RM1350 siap installation and Dyno tuning This post has been edited by rozz_1291: Aug 19 2010, 02:04 AM |
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