QUOTE(iamKiet @ Jun 30 2010, 05:09 PM)
you ah...keep on poison ppl 
Alamak...this is bad..what are the differences that will make F42 users change to F58?Photography The Sony Alpha Thread V42!, The Orange Legion
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 Jun 30 2010, 05:20 PM
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Jun 30 2010, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(alucard_my @ Jun 30 2010, 05:20 PM) Alamak...this is bad..what are the differences that will make F42 users change to F58? higher guide number..  cobra head...more flexibility...  waiting sony come out with f68 to compete with canon one..(if the rumours are true)>< This post has been edited by zstan: Jun 30 2010, 05:22 PM |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:24 PM
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question: what does canon have that sony need to compete with?
Added on June 30, 2010, 5:25 pmin terms of flash i mean.. This post has been edited by lwliam: Jun 30 2010, 05:25 PM |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:26 PM
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higher price?
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Jun 30 2010, 05:28 PM
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no ma, zstan said sony flash need new unit to compete with canon. So what is it that is lacking?? Power? Quick shift bounce? Wireless capability? Diffuser?
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Jun 30 2010, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(alucard_my @ Jun 30 2010, 05:20 PM) Alamak...this is bad..what are the differences that will make F42 users change to F58? Higher guide number(GN),meaning at full power,the F58 produce much powerful flash compared to F42. In F42 you blast full power 1/1,in F58 you no need to do so,hence lower tendency to overheat (in my case),and I like the flexibility of F58 as zstan said,try google for F58 product picture you can understand more about the "flexibility" of the F58,code name "Cobra"QUOTE(lwliam @ Jun 30 2010, 05:24 PM) question: what does canon have that sony need to compete with? EDITED: Hmm...none that I could think of,in term of pricing,Sony beats the other giants down with 50% cheaper Added on June 30, 2010, 5:25 pmin terms of flash i mean..  This post has been edited by iamKiet: Jun 30 2010, 05:34 PM |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jun 30 2010, 05:28 PM) no ma, zstan said sony flash need new unit to compete with canon. So what is it that is lacking?? Power? Quick shift bounce? Wireless capability? Diffuser? higher guide number..for new flash... This post has been edited by zstan: Jun 30 2010, 05:34 PM |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:33 PM
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people say nikon cls is better why eh??
what so special about it? (compare to sony) |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Jun 30 2010, 05:33 PM) people say nikon cls is better why eh?? i think this was posted by ier a few pages back. what so special about it? (compare to sony)  |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jun 30 2010, 05:34 PM) i think this was posted by ier a few pages back. what i saw they say only more functions but abit harder to access. what functions???ok i found they also say much better control than sony. and can control flash power from body . other than that? This post has been edited by mastering89: Jun 30 2010, 05:47 PM |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:47 PM
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so only 1-2 extra feet of GN then sony need to make a new flash? Seldom ppl will use the max flash blast to begin with..
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Jun 30 2010, 05:53 PM
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guide number 58 and 68 only few feet difference?? o.o
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Jun 30 2010, 05:54 PM
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ier: me in miri. mega hotel. wanna tt? ahahaha... you married already ah?
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Jun 30 2010, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jun 30 2010, 05:22 PM) higher guide number.. zstan: PLSSSSS stop spreading untrue information. they wont be F68. and what canon ones? canon top the 580exII has the same FLASH head internal as F58, hence the GN is 58 too (hence the 580EX). there arent official news about canon with new flash. cobra head...more flexibility... waiting sony come out with f68 to compete with canon one..(if the rumours are true)>< the key diff among these 2, Sony has WL built in, while the 580EX dont. mastering: nikon CLS is better in term of 'control' in Commander mode. the commander mode (cls) is built into the body, but not all body has it. u can directly adjust the group flash power from the body, (sony controls using F58, which only available when mount on A850 and A900). the biggest weakness is, it has weak trigger, sometimes the nikon flash did not fired. miss fire etc. (there are several other minor problems which is not a big concern) but if u uses 'pocket wizards' or china trigger module, the CLS will NOT work. but u get 100% fires. This post has been edited by ieR: Jun 30 2010, 06:38 PM |
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Jun 30 2010, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Jun 30 2010, 05:56 PM) zstan: PLSSSSS stop spreading untrue information. they wont be F68. and what canon ones? canon top the 580exII has the same FLASH head as F58(both manufacture by panasonic), hence the GN is 58 too (hence the 580EX). there arent news about canon with new flash. i said I HOPE sony would manufacture a F68 since there are rumours of canon coming out with 680 . the key diff among these 2, Sony has WL built in, while the 580EX dont. mastering: nikon CLS is better in term of 'control' in Commander mode. the commander mode (cls) is built into the body, but not all body has it. u can directly adjust the group flash power from the body, (sony controls using F58, which only available when mount on A850 and A900). the biggest weakness is, it has weak trigger, sometimes the nikon flash did not fired. miss fire etc. (there are several other minor problems which is not a big concern) but if u uses 'pocket wizards' or china trigger module, the CLS will NOT work. but u get 100% fires. there was a link posted in the canon thread saying that it will released next. true or not, i don't know. QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 27 2010, 12:38 AM) btw This post has been edited by zstan: Jun 30 2010, 06:00 PMhttp://digital.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/nw/show.../1/71091/1.html 680EX coming? hrmrmrmr........... donno how true, look like 580EX II only. |
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Jun 30 2010, 06:00 PM
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dont spreading rumors >.< it put ppl off tracks. not bad mouthing canon, but that 680ex rumor since 2 years back already has it, right after 580ex 1 out.
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Jun 30 2010, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(ieR @ Jun 30 2010, 05:56 PM) zstan: PLSSSSS stop spreading untrue information. they wont be F68. and what canon ones? canon top the 580exII has the same FLASH head internal as F58(both manufacture/design? by panasonic), hence the GN is 58 too (hence the 580EX). there arent news about canon with new flash. Thanks for the information the key diff among these 2, Sony has WL built in, while the 580EX dont. mastering: nikon CLS is better in term of 'control' in Commander mode. the commander mode (cls) is built into the body, but not all body has it. u can directly adjust the group flash power from the body, (sony controls using F58, which only available when mount on A850 and A900). the biggest weakness is, it has weak trigger, sometimes the nikon flash did not fired. miss fire etc. (there are several other minor problems which is not a big concern) but if u uses 'pocket wizards' or china trigger module, the CLS will NOT work. but u get 100% fires.  And I think the Nikon flashes limited to the placement also? Such as constrained by certain angles? Am I right? Then the biggest advantage of Sony flashes is I never missed any fire in wireless mode  |
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Jun 30 2010, 06:01 PM
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apparently the link is now broken. so its fake i presume.
edit: its working again.  This post has been edited by zstan: Jun 30 2010, 06:02 PM |
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Jun 30 2010, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(iamKiet @ Jun 30 2010, 06:00 PM) Thanks for the information if the placement angle is good, then should be no problem, but the problem, flash design, the head can only turn so much, so, sometimes, the angle of IR contact cant be 100% there. i also like the SB900 "beep", it also lets u know it DID fired. And I think the Nikon flashes limited to the placement also? Such as constrained by certain angles? Am I right? Then the biggest advantage of Sony flashes is I never missed any fire in wireless mode yeap, but sadly, the alpha commander mode only avail on highest end body  .... many ppl hope the new a7xx will have compatible commander support like A850. |
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Jun 30 2010, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ Jun 30 2010, 03:31 PM) yaya... interested on my used unit sal16105 + pro1?no flash current... so nid to consider to take a gd pics without flash... bought during feb 2010  |
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