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post Jul 15 2010, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(locolyric @ Jul 15 2010, 10:42 PM)
if garmin map can convert to sygic. i think there will have a lot of fun and we can forbid garmin ~ rclxms.gif

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anyone have tutorial for the ussd widget setting?
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Why do u want the widget setting when PR 1.2 fully support USSD ?
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post Jul 15 2010, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 15 2010, 06:48 PM)
Wow lucky ure okay. Now i am impress the Nokia n900 survive. I have to keep reminding myself to drive slower while driving fast at sharp corner.
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yea wei especially rain...but then d road id rive not wet also..tats d best thing sleep.gif


Added on July 15, 2010, 10:56 pm
QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 15 2010, 07:19 PM)
Yo bro, so long never hear from you, give us surprise news meh...  sweat.gif

Anyway, glad to see that you're ok although sustain minor injuries, but the accident looks serious!  Did you went for checkup, heard that sometimes there might be internal injuries that is not visible (touchwood), but just a precaution, heard about one accident the guy has no injuries but not long after he passed out or something.

Take care man, that looks really serious. Lucky the middle body/frame still in shape, if not sure bad. Saw the rear one side already gone  sweat.gif
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haha i actually visit here everyday, juz din post up XP
yea check up adi no worry..no internal injury LOL..


Added on July 15, 2010, 10:56 pm
QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 15 2010, 07:36 PM)
haha i did it for my competition LOLL


Added on July 15, 2010, 10:58 pmthx for every1 concern..my n900 doing well..opss me too tongue.gif..juz car need masuk kilang sleep.gif..LOLL

chess game any1? biggrin.gif

http://www.nokian900applications.com/minia...for-nokia-n900/

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QUOTE(jloi @ Jul 15 2010, 10:55 PM)
yea wei especially rain...but then d road id rive not wet also..tats d best thing sleep.gif
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actually there was once i was driving at 140kph on the highway back from KLIA. When exiting one of the tol my car suddenly lose control spinning 360 degree for 5 times at that speed until it stop in the middle of a 3 lane highway. I was damn lucky there wasnt any car or lorry coming if not i am bye bye di at 5am in the morning Imagine bus/lorry ram at my car door at 100kph i think i dunno i will fly to where.

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locolyric
post Jul 15 2010, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 15 2010, 10:51 PM)
Why do u want the widget setting when PR 1.2 fully support USSD ?
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that widget can do setting and put on the desk so we can always check it.

but i totally don't know how to do all the settings
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QUOTE(locolyric @ Jul 15 2010, 10:58 PM)
that widget can do setting and put on the desk so we can always check it.

but i totally don't know how to do all the settings
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From wat i know it doesnt work with *100# those menu kind for maxis

Just type *122# and save then refresh it. I used it when i was in PR1.1
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post Jul 15 2010, 11:52 PM

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running only on 3 steps of frequencies now.

250Mhz - 500Mhz - 750Mhz

freqs not in use - 125Mhz, 550Mhz, 600Mhz and 700Mhz

the transition of freqs after OC is not smooth, so i took out some freqs where the values were too near.

running on custom power settings as well,

0:16,90
250:25,180
500:31,360
750:44,430


Added on July 16, 2010, 12:14 amthis way it doesnt jump to 550Mhz or 600Mhz or 700Mhz unnecessarily. only goes to 750Mhz if absolutely needed.

i adjusted the up_threshold to 90 as well so that the ondemand governor is not so jumpy, the original 75 value makes it too jumpy when it gets excited.

i am going to push down the voltage further. titans ideal and starving profile doesn't work for mine, but in some Mhz i am able to push it much lower.


Added on July 16, 2010, 12:23 amlowered again, new values

250:24,180
500:30,360
750:44,430



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post Jul 16 2010, 12:23 AM

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Just install quake 2 from application manager, but when it start just show blank screen loading then jumo out to main screen, any one know why?
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post Jul 16 2010, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(VeilSidex @ Jul 16 2010, 12:23 AM)
Just install quake 2 from application manager, but when it start just show blank screen loading then jumo out to main screen, any one know why?
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U will need the File from the Quake 2 CD...

pak0 or something...
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post Jul 16 2010, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(VeilSidex @ Jul 16 2010, 12:23 AM)
Just install quake 2 from application manager, but when it start just show blank screen loading then jumo out to main screen, any one know why?
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you need to have the quake data files (.pak, i guess) in the correct directories. i dont think you downloaded the entire game... its just the executable.
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post Jul 16 2010, 12:47 AM

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I followed this method...

Quake III
http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=15687.0

Quake II
http://my-maemo.com/software/applications....uto=1379&faq=35

Have Fun...
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post Jul 16 2010, 01:10 AM

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I want to ask a few questions from sifu here:

a) is chinese input supported?

If I want to buy N900, is cheapest price now around
RM1450? Is AP good to buy?
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post Jul 16 2010, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(angelbratz @ Jul 16 2010, 12:47 AM)
Mmmmm, quake. Maybe I should install it later for a quick frag or two. Wonder if I can get Urban Assault + Bots on as well.

But for me the best time waster so far has got to be Descent. Hopefully LordNelson releases a version that supports D2 as well, I've yet to win that one actually.

That and Jagged Alliance 2. Though I have to squint really hard for JA2.

On a side note, I wonder if my Otterbox arrive edi.

Also, 3G has been acting a lil funky lately, I hope it's just Sialcom being... well... you know, rather then me zapping the 3G module with static when I operated on my N900.

Or the thick electrical tape liberally applied on the backside of the LCD module (to improve the slider tightness - main reason I voided warranty and raided my N900 to begin with) is blocking 3G reception lol.

My 2.5G connections has been superb though. Which is a wonder.

@jakiman: I'm still running 500 all the way up to 850, starving stock voltages. Any advantages of running 3-step in terms of responsiveness?

I really can't run 250 as base because the phone app gets all laggy after the phone is used and locked a while. Using 500 as base has not really shown much battery life impact in actual use for me, but general responsiveness has been good if not impressive - even more so with my modded transitions.ini.

Unless I leave things on and they get swapped, in which case everything slows to a crawl lol.

@gogo2: There are several methods to get chinese input already on the N900:

1) MSCIM
2) Stroke-order
3) Online javascript
4) Emacs
5) Penpower
6) Kanjipad (in a way)

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post Jul 16 2010, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jul 16 2010, 01:18 AM)
@gogo2: There are several methods to get chinese input already on the N900:

1) MSCIM
2) Stroke-order
3) Online javascript
4) Emacs
5) Penpower
6) Kanjipad (in a way)
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is it free or "free" ?

erm, still contemplating Satio or N900... but I'm nerdy type... I feel N900 more...lolz
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post Jul 16 2010, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 16 2010, 01:35 AM)
is it free or "free" ?

erm, still contemplating Satio or N900... but I'm nerdy type... I feel N900 more...lolz
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Everything in my list is free as in beer (RM0), and free as in speech (FOSS).

Except maybe Penpower (not really free as in speech? Not sure, but definately free as in beer).

If you need a PHONE that does smart things (and takes GREAT pics), stick with the Satio though. The N900 is quite severely crippled on the PHONE side (also, no 3G calling yet), and Symbian STILL has quite a few apps that the N900 lacks. Camera and video on the N900 is also so-so.

If you want a mobile computer that makes calls and SMSes (and MMSes sometimes, if fMMS doesn't screw you) - AND can be hacked to your heart's content - then come on over to the N900 camp. Provided you like to mess around and don't mind reflashing if something goes wrong.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jul 16 2010, 01:39 AM)
Everything in my list is free as in beer (RM0), and free as in speech (FOSS).

Except maybe Penpower (not really free as in speech? Not sure, but definately free as in beer).

If you need a PHONE that does smart things, stick with the Satio though. The N900 is quite severely crippled on the PHONE side.

If you want a mobile computer that makes calls and SMSes (and MMSes sometimes, if fMMS doesn't screw you), then come on over to the N900 camp.
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great! Anyway, I seldom MMS... PHONE side is how crippled? Is the sound loud? I just need loud ring tone and
loud speaker phone and definitely loud and clear voice calling...
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post Jul 16 2010, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jul 16 2010, 01:18 AM)
Mmmmm, quake. Maybe I should install it later for a quick frag or two. Wonder if I can get Urban Assault + Bots on as well.

But for me the best time waster so far has got to be Descent. Hopefully LordNelson releases a version that supports D2 as well, I've yet to win that one actually.

That and Jagged Alliance 2. Though I have to squint really hard for JA2.

On a side note, I wonder if my Otterbox arrive edi.

Also, 3G has been acting a lil funky lately, I hope it's just Sialcom being... well... you know, rather then me zapping the 3G module with static when I operated on my N900.

My 2.5G connections has been superb though. Which is a wonder.

@jakiman: I'm still running 500 all the way up to 850, starving stock voltages. Any advantages of running 3-step in terms of responsiveness?

I really can't run 250 as base because the phone app gets all laggy after the phone is used and locked a while. Using 500 as base has not really shown much battery life impact in actual use for me, but general responsiveness has been good if not impressive - even more so with my modded transitions.ini.

Unless I leave things on and they get swapped, in whic case everything slows to a crawl lol.

@gogo2: There are several methods to get chinese input already on the N900:

1) MSCIM
2) Stroke-order
3) Online javascript
4) Emacs
5) Penpower
6) Kanjipad (in a way)
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dude, i am not jakiman. that is some dude on the OC thread at talk.maemo.org

anyway, for the moment 3-step is helping me identify problematic freq+volt combo, pushing down lower than starving profile. but i've got a funny unit, the lower Mhz can go really lower than starving profile's voltages.

i am using a value of 100 for powersave_bias, and 90% threshold, so the processor does not jump up a notch unnecessarily.

for example, i am playing mp3 = @250Mhz, then i tap on the status menu just to check the name of wifi AP i am connected to, if you look closely, the processor will get panicked and jump to 500Mhz for 1/2 second, then to 550Mhz or 600Mhz for 1-2 seconds more, before coming back to 250Mhz when i leave it alone.

now with just 250-500-750, there is not much choices for it to jump, and since threshold is higher, it will not panic and jump up just because i touched the screen. it doesnt jump up as much when i scroll the song list as well, unless i flick the list and kinetic scrolling kicks in.

i might change the scale and try something else.

now when i play non-HD video content, then processor sits stable at 500Mhz after peaking at 750Mhz when starting to play (buffer + initialize codec + initialize rendering thread)

before this, if u play videos, the processor Mhz keeps flipping - 500-550-600-700-750-600-550-500-550-600

now stays put at 500Mhz, occasionally hits 750Mhz when i tap on screen to pause or when increase volume, then back to 500Mhz

but i think i might try 250-500-750-1000....


Added on July 16, 2010, 1:53 am
QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 16 2010, 01:45 AM)
great! Anyway, I seldom MMS... PHONE side is how crippled? Is the sound loud? I just need loud ring tone and
loud speaker phone and definitely loud and clear voice calling...
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well, loud is not something that the n900 would be described as.

This post has been edited by jananan: Jul 16 2010, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 16 2010, 01:45 AM)
great! Anyway, I seldom MMS... PHONE side is how crippled? Is the sound loud? I just need loud ring tone and
loud speaker phone and definitely loud and clear voice calling...
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How crippled? Lets see:

1) No contact grouping
2) No per caller ringtone
3) No 3G video calling
4) Phone app sometimes screws up while you're doing a lot of things (lags and freezes = missed call)
5) No speed dialing
6) No voice dialing

There's some more, but those are the major problems, although an app called MyContact solves the first two problems (and number 6) and the forth one, well, is dependent on how heavily you load the N900 and if you're OverClocked (you can REALLY, REALLY multi-task on the N900 after all).

But speaker phone is KINDA loud (only a little lower volume compared to the 5800/N97, though it sucks in the car) and ring tone is loud enough IMHO.

And voice is ok, no real problems on that front unless you are in an area with bad reception (like all other phones). It's not as good as some newer phones with double microphones and noise cancellation though (Droid/Milestone and Nexus One).

@jananan: sorry bro, fast typing on N900 at late night + ngantuk = typos galore.

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post Jul 16 2010, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jul 16 2010, 01:57 AM)
How crippled? Lets see:

1) No contact grouping
2) No per caller ringtone
3) No 3G video calling
4) Phone app sometimes screws up while you're doing a lot of things (lags and freezes = missed call)
5) No speed dialing
6) No voice dialing

There's some more, but those are the major problems, although an app called MyContact solves the first two problems (and number 6) and the forth one, well, is dependent on how heavily you load the N900 and if you're OverClocked (you can REALLY, REALLY multi-task on the N900 after all).

But speaker phone is KINDA loud (only a little lower volume compared to the 5800/N97, though it sucks in the car) and ring tone is loud enough IMHO.

And voice is ok, no real problems on that front unless you are in an area with bad reception (like all other phones).

@jananan: sorry bro, fast typing on N900 at late night + ngantuk = typos galore.
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what i noticed is the voice quality suffers a lot when reception is bad, much worse than other phones.

for e.g. with same SIM card in the same area, the nokia 5800 express music has clearer call quality than n900, even though the signal bar's same level. if your telco has 1-2 bars only in your area, you might not be satisfied with the call quality.

i use digi, and with n900 when you're driving it sounds like you're trying to skype using 56k modem. a lot of jitter and stutter.


Added on July 16, 2010, 2:16 ambut since this is nokia's first attempt at stuffing a gsm/umts module inside a maemo tablet, perhaps in time with newer firmware it will get better.

gsm/umts modules are commonplace for nokia s40, s60 and other non-color phones. so they have been perfecting it for a long time now. even sub RM100 phones from nokia has crystal clear voice quality now.

since previous n770, n800, n810 tablets did not have gsm/umts module...

give them some time i say...

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QUOTE(jananan @ Jul 16 2010, 02:13 AM)
what i noticed is the voice quality suffers a lot when reception is bad, much worse than other phones.

for e.g. with same SIM card in the same area, the nokia 5800 express music has clearer call quality than n900, even though the signal bar's same level. if your telco has 1-2 bars only in your area, you might not be satisfied with the call quality.

i use digi, and with n900 when you're driving it sounds like you're trying to skype using 56k modem. a lot of jitter and stutter.
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For me on 2G pure mode, it's still bearable at low signal situations. But 3G with low signal is a ridiculously gone case, it seems our little computer baby needs to be held the "right way" or something lol?

But then again, the person I call most regularly lives in a cellular black hole, so it's hard to tell if it's my side at fault or otherwise.

As for the CPU, I see the CPU fluctuations as well. But being confined to 500-850, it's not so bad. I guess a lower limit of 250 does cause the CPU to step up more often, but then my setup is more performance biased (Powersave bias = 0, threshold = 75, sampling rate = 150000) so it goes to 850 faster to begin with.

As a result, the OS as a whole stutters less but spends more time going full throttle. I'm from the "get things done faster so you can idle more" camp after all, though I do love the N900 (and plan to use it long) enough not to let it blaze around at 1GHz all the time (hence the modest 850 top cap).

But if you're right, less flipping through the numbers also seems like a good thing. Do continue researching and see if we can make the A8 sip less power WHILE retaining adequate responsiveness.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Jul 16 2010, 02:30 AM
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Oh yea...For games...Old School.... >.<

I installed ScummVM..
1. Curse of the Monkey Island
2. Full Throttle
3. Loom
4. Leisure suit Larry
5. Day of the Tentacle

Psx4all
1. Final fantasy 7

So far for now those are the games that killed my time... until i finish them then only install other games...

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