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post Jun 20 2010, 03:46 AM

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Jun 20 2010, 03:31 AM)
Share with me please.
Been looking for text based browser only but none seems to work for me.
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Get w3m and libgc1 from here: http://shimi.info/n900/

Install both as root with "dpkg -i *filename*", after that run (also as root) "apt-get -f install" to configure w3m.

Remember to run W3M as root (sudo w3m www.google.com) or else it will not save options and bookmarks. Also google for W3M keybinding as you're gonna need it.
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QUOTE(ZackFong @ Jun 20 2010, 10:33 AM)
hey guys. any chinese input users here? i tried google it but seems 'mscim' has virtual keyboard problem. anyone can verify that? in the mean time, 'GNU Emacs' seems a bit troublesome cause of cut and paste. can anyone suggest me a useful chinese input app please? thankx...
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Yes, I can verify that MSCIM screws up with the VKB and normal input in general.

I persomally use Emacs for Japanese input as it's capable of Chinese, Japanese Korean, Thai and a lot of other language input ALL by itself and it doesn't mess up my system too much - plus it can be used for programming if I ever swing that way.

But yeah, you'll have to live with minor inconveniences like Cut-Paste and those wonderous Emacs shortcuts lol. Though between Emacs and W3M, my fingers have gotten used to acrobatics edi.

And for some unknown reason, I feel a heck of a lot more productive surfing the web in W3M lol. Even though it does not:

1) save passwords.
2) show webpages properly lol.
3) play nice with LYN's reply-page (only can quick-reply lol, else it will complain of missing files hmm)

But I guess we've been spoiled by the automation in modern browsers anyway lol.
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post Jun 20 2010, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Jun 20 2010, 07:50 PM)
Have you updated to latest firmware?

Virtual keyboard is disabled by default.
To enable it:
Go to settings -> Text input -> Click the "use virtual keybaord"

Caps lock the arrow up key.

For the conversation application error try to update your firmware 1st.I never had this problem.
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Last time I had any errors of this sort was when I installed the "problematic" Titan kernel update, 28-29 IINM. There be a long time pass already arrh.

Which reminds me, need to backup for the week. Now that everything is mostly running smooth, I tend to forget my old regular backup schedule.

And Resin case? Where are you? Docs to Go Premium too... Oh where are your sweet, sweet promises Dataviz?
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post Jun 21 2010, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(Seaedge @ Jun 20 2010, 11:39 PM)
hmmm now i am pretty annoyed when i play those music vids and when it finished.. it jump back to the overview page and i have to select other one. it is pretty dangerous when i play music vids in my car..
sighhh~
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Try MediaBox, buggy as it is... Put your videos in a playlist and voila! Just remember to adjust volume using the STATUS BAR SLIDER BEFORE playing your files and you should be fine. Volume changes DURING playback will mess things up.

Canola2 is less buggy in that aspect, but eats up a lot of Rootfs + it's very slow to start up.

Hopefully the new MediaBox update comes soon.

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QUOTE(CellPhoneDealer @ Jun 21 2010, 12:49 AM)
also problem with registering email account,it keeps rejecting me eventhough I put the correct username and password. N900 is really a crazy device.
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Hmm strange... I've never had these email issues... Granted I've been in bed with Nokia Messaging ever since it came out for the 5800 (handling both my Gmail accounts), and I don't have a Yahoo email account to begin with.

If they sort things out and make Nokia Messaging better, I'd even pay for the service lol.

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QUOTE(askapalooza69 @ Jun 21 2010, 01:01 AM)
hi...everyone...i also watched review by many people using this device..

the most weakness is the lack power of battery...

it can drain faster...so,is there anyone can find this

http://www.mugenbattery.com/nokia-n900-ext...wer-battery.htm  
its quiet help
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Online is the only way to get that. And it doesn't even work 100%: No USB charging (for some unknown reason), and the built in thermistor is wanko (read: battery at 100% then jump straight to 20%). At least according to my research.

You're better off with a USB power pack like this one: http://www.milidirect.com/product/HB-A10 . Just velcro it to the back of your N900.

It's sold everywhere around LYP, and there's also good alternatives from Proporta ( http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t...4659&t_mode=des ) or even Energi to Go (also found all over LYP, but is extremely pricey).

And if you don't mind a huge pack stuck to the back of your N900, use what I use: http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usb...batterypack.htm or the Proporta alternative (same thing with a different name really): http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t...4662&t_mode=des

It's 3400 mAh, good for around 2 full charges, though it does error out if the pack is at 20% and the N900 is fully charged (reverse drain prolly). And I've been using it for almost 2 years now, no real issues. Also, a spare BL-5J in the pocket does wonders as well.

As a bonus, you can always buy a cheapo USB fan and the USB pack + Fan will cool you off all night long if you get a blackout - trust me.

@Jerry20: Install EasyDebian, download the image, use OpenOffice.Org, profit. Also there's Abiword (Word) and Gnumeric (Excel) available in the evil land of Extras-Devel (read FrontPage for details on enabling that repository). Although, I'd prefer to wait for the fully fledged version of Docs To Go Premium to come (any time now).

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QUOTE(jananan @ Jun 21 2010, 02:08 AM)
opera for maemo. with server-side compression enabled and images turned off. not a bad alternative.
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Hmm, I personally found Opera Turbo to be far, far slower then when it's turned off, for some unknown reason. It's worse then proper Opera Mini that's for sure, and properly configured, W3M knocks the heck outta both in terms of low traffic and speed - although it's also far buggier lol.
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QUOTE(lee0125 @ Jun 21 2010, 11:33 AM)
I did reply. Install easyDebian and you will have openOffice ready.


Added on June 21, 2010, 11:34 amanyone managed to install gcc compiler in n900?
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I heard it's doable through EasyDeb chroot? Ironically lol.

Though for native gcc, it seems you need to get down and dirty by actively breaking Maemo. Obviously it WILL break any future upgrades - if we even have any lol.

Go lepak the dev area on Maemo.Org, IINM there's one thread dedicated on the subject - if you haven't been there already that is.
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If anybody's interested Xarchiver has been updated, now 100% more rootfs friendly. Mime support (meaning you can open zip, tar and rar files straight from file manager or browser into Xarchiver) coming soon.

Personally I unzip/unrar stuff straight from xterm, but a nice optified GUI for the process doesn't hurt.
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QUOTE(ahtiven @ Jun 21 2010, 11:12 PM)
did you do any special settings? what happens now is the netbook could detect the SSID but not nexus one. why is that? anyone knows?

does n900 with mobile hotspot actually allow you to tether to other phones? or you just think?

according to this LINK, "Tethering" is the use of your cell phone -- or other Internet-enabled mobile device -- as a modem for another device, usually a notebook or PDA.

funny none of the tethering software/application i've come across specifically mentioned tethering to other smartphones, they only state "other devices". which raises my doubt whether does tethering really work using infrastructure tech to other branded smartphones. so is Tethering actually ad hoc tech? that's because the netbook/notebook recognizes it as computer-to-computer security enabled wifi connection.

Andy? Eiraku?
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For the N900, "Tethering" here refers to a redirection of the cellular packet data connection to WIFI using ad-hoc networking (as the N900 does not support Infra mode - yet). Or at least that's how it's done using Mobile Hot Spot (not sure about Joiku). As that, I'm not even sure we can call it "Tethering".

Was able to share my net with an E71 and an Ipod touch through the 5800 and Joiku before, but have not tried with the N900 besides with my laptop. But I do remember my friend's BB Bold not being able to connect through the 5800 Joiku before this, so I'd say some smartphones (and OSes...) are just darned sensitive about what kind of WIFI settings you use to connect.

Heck, there are reports of 5800s, N97s, Iphones and even N900s not playing nice with WIFI routers as well (which is clearly Infra) due to settings, security and whatnot... hmm.gif

So, as far as I know, the N900's net sharing is done through an Ad Hoc connection. IINM, Joiku works that way too, so maybe it's just the N1 not accepting certain Ad Hoc settings the N900 uses - like my friend's BB Bold.

YMMV

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QUOTE(beatlesalbum @ Jun 22 2010, 01:54 AM)
why? its the best of all worlds. personally I have used android, symbian and apple, and this phone combines the best features of these 3 OS in one.
Its a smart phone so learning curve is tough.. but its rewarding in the end.
Only gripe is the resistive touch screen n the lack of colors for the set.
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It's not because it's a smart phone. It's because its a Geek Phone lol. Maemo = Desktop Linux = Gila learning curve. My dad gave up after a few days (which is the main reason why I'm here and not in the Milestone thread).

And resistive? I still prefer resistive over capacitive no matter how you twist it. Guess it's because I've been a long running Palm --> WinMo user I guess (used to resistive screen's accuracy with stylus), plus the fact that WE GOTZ PRESSURE SENSITIVITY YARR... biggrin.gif

True, finger sensitivity suffers and we have no multitouch (which is more the OS's fault, multitouch resistive IS possible with the correct implementation), but will we be able to run Easy Debian and LXDE easily withOUT a stylus and resistive accuracy? Possible, maybe, but easy it will be not.

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QUOTE(blackrobin @ Jun 22 2010, 02:15 AM)
I dun really fancy iPhone OS...?its homescreen is the menu lol?
What's big in iphone is the almighty App Store.. *claps* for Apple.. really...

About nokia on maemo....hmmm directionless so far...
on the other hand, Meego on both tablets and mobile computers could open a new market for devs..
eagerly waiting for Nokia world in London..
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*START RANT*

Feels like the N900 will be the next Axim X51v: Powerful but abandoned. Do take note that there was no official upgrade path for the X51v to WinMo6.1 back then too (Dell just left the Axim to die). But XDA-Dev came to the rescue and they not only got me 6.1, there's even WinMo 6.5 for it now. Hopefully our future with the N900 will be as bright, with community Meego builds that won't be just empty promises.

Funny I had the Axim before and loved it. Thought the 5800 and the N97 mini could replace it, but they were nowhere near the X51v now that I have time to think about it. I always had this feeling that both of them lacked raw juice.

In the N900 I found an equal for the Axim, at least in terms of rawr powr. Shame the about the Maemo App situation though, WinMo had a helluva lot of apps, how ever you want to diss the platform.

I miss my Axie-Tan now. Sadly she decided to kill herself (death by jumping into a straight to crap-tank toilet bowl - DO TAKE CARE when playing OpenTTD in the toilet) when I decided I should get the 5800. I guess she got jealous.

And yeah, back then Qualcomm kicked ARM ass. Now, it's not that simple anymore eh. I think Cortexes kick Snapdragon ass nowadays, unless Qualcomm decides to get a better GPU.

OFFTOPIC: If the new Droid 2 has a 1Ghz proc, how far do you guys think it can be overclocked lol. Sadly, my gut feeling tells me Moto is gonna lock the Milestone 2 (if one ever appears) bootloader as well, so that's a no go.

*END RANT*

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QUOTE(zero_kbom @ Jun 22 2010, 03:04 AM)
LOL...I can understand ur feeling haha3
For me, till this day, I still occasionally use my Sony Clie' PEG TJ37 running Palm OS. Talking bout outdated though.
I'm still leaning on buying N900, although the supposedly more powerful N9 will emerge later this year. Why? Well lets say that I'm used of using abandonware loool. Not to mention the price will be much lower?
And I really2 hope that the supposedly Nokia's trump card for getting apps on its devices, QT will help in more apps will be available in the future for N900.
*Still remember those days where N900 was still being known wif its codename "Rover". I didn't even have a chance yet to use it, and its already outdated? doh.gif
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For what it's worth, I had (and still have actually) the TJ37 lol... First handheld WIFI device I ever got.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jun 22 2010, 10:07 AM)
You still have your X51v? I still have it, but the battery condition is already not good and my charger dock is damaged. Back then (2006), it already have 600Mhz, altough a different technology, but it's one of the most powerful PPC available with 640X480 resolution. It's great, just lack of "phone capability" and built-in GPS.
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Nope, she terjun and killed herself edi. Gaming in the loo is dangerous business. But yeah, she was a beauty - when WM6.1 didn't decide to freeze up on me, that is.

And yeah, hail the first wave of N900 haterz. I do think you need to invest a considerable amount of time and effort to learn, understand and love the N900 although I agree that the device is simply not designed to suit everyone.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jun 22 2010, 12:55 PM)
There's no phone that is for everyone. Just need to know what you need or want.
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Agreed, though sellers nowadays can also be blamed, as they're prolly pushing the N900 as Nokia's Iphone killer - which it most definitely is not. At it's core, the N900 is a Mobile Computer with a basic phone strapped on, whereas most other smartphones are like the other way around, people need to understand this and react accordingly.

I don't really hate Android OR the DiePhone, really. Each device was designed for a purpose, and to achive that purpose sacrifices need to be made.

To each their own, let's just end it at that. Me, like some of the others, have found that the N900 fits our needs for NOW. It might not be the same for everyone. Heck, the gadget world evolves so much I might just go get an Android device one day lol (though I will prolly not sell my N900, simply for it's sheer hackability).

I do understand though the sheer frustration of getting a new phone and not being able to update it due to a company's stubbon refusal to make it's updater 64-bit friendly - but do understand that other than Dell, most other PCs and Laptops are still shipped with 32-bit Windows.

PS: You can still try OTA what?


Added on June 22, 2010, 2:15 pm
QUOTE(jananan @ Jun 22 2010, 02:01 PM)
i would say apple is on the right track for once. they have the resource (only smartphone from apple) to make it a great OS. whereas nokia likes to divide and conquer (confuse) its consumers.

if nokia paid more attention to design and user friendless, it would be nokia in the headlines and not apple.

symbian5 was a semi-failure, even though the OS was better than apple's OS in every way the interface was never made for touch interface.

lets nokia learns and lets hope symbian^v3 will be more apple like in interface (we've already seen the pinch zoom) and other apple like gestures in demoes.

Symbian^3 = killer OS + killer interface
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Apple targets the high end, non-techy smartphone user (also previous iAnything users who worship the ground Jobs walks on lol). Nokia, on the other hand, targets so many markets that it actually makes sense for them to run different OSes.

That's just how they make money: market saturation. Rather than try to make one phone to try and please everyone, why not make 10 phones that will surely please 10 types of people. If you're lucky, the same user will buy two (or even three) of your products to fit his/her different needs.

And with the N8 and Sym3 is no different, it's supposed to be a cheap-ish touch smartphone and OS for the masses who don't really know or care if their processor is faster then whatever or if the App Store has how many apps.

They just want a cheaper Iphone that works somewhat like the real thing and has a well known brand stuck to it.

So Sym3 will be just that, a mass market OS for a mass market phone - a proper jump up the evolutionary tree from the 5800 (which, for all it's supposed crappiness, sold crapboatloads). As for proper iOS slayin', we have Meego, the smarter smartphone OS (or so I hope it turns out to be).

About multitouch gestures though, I will not hide the fact that I strongly believe pinch to zoom on a phone, however intuitive, is just a waste of time. Try doing it one handed, right now, and you'll get my point.

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QUOTE(one1002 @ Jun 22 2010, 02:24 PM)
tak habis-habis Iphone..hahaha..

why no nexus one..sikit-sikit Iphone..overated..overprice..over-useless-app..can't change battery..have to jailbreak..

wanna flame n900 ka?want to say its n900 faults that u can't fully utilise it?

N900 is a step further in TECHNOLOGY..having an internet tablet with phone capabilities..not like other phones which "mobile phone with basic internet/computer thing"..

comparing Iphone with N900 is like comparing an APPLE with DURIAN..

giv an apple to a kid..they'll start eating it..chewing it..play with it..thats Iphone..totally straight forward.

giv a durian to a kid..they'll start to cry..coz if they get it wrong to open it,the duri2 will cucuk you..so,this is when they give up..but they dont know how sedapppp can the durian be..durian can make BUBUR DURIAN..TEMPOYAK..durian also can CRUSH APPLE..

so basically....why would you go through a hard way in learning N900 if u can't appreciate its capabilities..so u're better off with iphone which is straightforward..unlike N900..u HAVE TO LEARN! but that's the best thing..u learn..u learn u learn..it never ends..there's always something new about N900 everyday..the scripts..the codings..the xterm command...the USEFUL application..and so on..

so, why don't u Iphone fanboys start a thread..iphone vs n900..

owh yea..new users,pls read the first post for valuable information..aspire has put up a lot of work there..i know its a pain to follow the thread everyday..but really...the first page has a very good information for every new users..
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So very extremely true man. Aspire, QUOTE THIS AND PUT ON FRONT PAGE!

And the Apple vs Durian thing was rawrlawl. Made my day. Thanks bro.

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QUOTE(jananan @ Jun 22 2010, 02:35 PM)
yeah i wish they would stop complaining. nokia didnt say n900 is a flagship product. its a niche product. i'll repeat again, NICHE PRODUCT. dont buy it and start complaining that it does not do this and that...

i have admit, the iphone is a phone for the masses. the learning curve for iphone is almost non-existant. even my grandpa or my small cousin can use it.

the story with n900 is different, as i said before, its a niche product. and there never has been a product like it before. so what can you expect ? lets just say n900 is an experiment, and dont take part if you're not willing to.


Added on June 22, 2010, 2:48 pmanalogically, its like buying a sports car and wondering why it doesnt have cup holders and warmed seats.
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Well problem is, while Nokia themselves admitted this, most local phone sellers only see it as the newest Nokia Iphone killer, as I said before, thus trapping many unwary souls in this experiment.

Something like this:

(Seller): We have the latest Nokia phone here, more power than iPhone! Cheaper too!
(Buyer): Mmmmm, flashy new phone. Want!

I have to admit, the reason I'm even here was this brand of uneducated marketing and buying; my dad would have gotten another phone as a gift instead (and mght not have passed it to me) if it wasn't the case lol.

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Lol, looking at all the posts it feels like the Sony Alpha thread all over again lol.

> But I can use beautiful old Minolta glass with modern stabilization.

>> But it isnt't Cannikon, so it suxxorz.

Brand consciousness and effective marketing are such wonderful things.

Oh, and I turned off touch sounds. Only thing I need is haptic feedback, another reason why I tend to steer away from iOS products.

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Jun 22 2010, 03:31 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I second Eiraku's motion to stick this at 1st page laugh.gif
Good comparison with joke.

About iPhone as much as I don't like apple product I do admit that it's a good phone for normal users.However in hand of power user it's nothing more than a newly invented phone in 19th century while N900 is the 21th century phone.

Nokia has clearly stated that N900/Maemo 5 is step 4/5 in order to improve themselves on smartphone market.N9/MeeGo will be the polished final product.N9 will have much more user friendly version of Maemo.

Now you guys should know why I really hate to talk things with iPhone fans.
Usually this is how the discussion will be:

iPhone user : N900 not responsive like iPhone wei.It's not good as iPhone overall.
N900 user : I had to admit N900 isn't perfect.But there somethings that this phone does better.etc ect.
iPhone user : Don't care.N900 still sucks.iPhone x1000 better.

I had this talk over & over again plenty of time.doh.gif
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Try having an iPhone obsessed brother (who stays up until 4am to watch Apple Keynote LIVE). It's like the above only more often and you can't really kill your brother, can you?

But you gotta admit, with iP4, Apple's finally getting somewhere. At least specs wise, it's not that bad really. Especially if I can ditch iOS and dump fully working Froyo into it lol. And hack a physical keyboard onto it.

Oh wait, that's just gonna make it a more expensive Droid 2, with a slightly sharper screen, non-removeable battery and a front camera that only does WiFi lol.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 22 2010, 04:10 PM)
Apple fanboys stay tune to the thread in the link below for more jokes on  Nokia N900 vs Apple Iphone

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=34174344
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Lol, Aspire, lol... brows.gif

Now back on track... I see more stable PenPower installation scripts somewhere on Maemo.org. Look for the "HK Firmware screenshots" thread or something like that. Will still kill off the normal virtual keyboard though.

And anyone of you played around with the flash virtual keyboard mock-ups here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56129

This guy's has got some really cool ideas on how a proper VKB should look like... And his demo VKB is fairly nice as well, though it's just a demo and does nothing much really. But even the demo was far more accurate and easy to use then any VKB I've ever used, at least the landscape one - even though it was sooooo sloooow.

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