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post Jul 13 2010, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(haushinka @ Jul 13 2010, 01:41 AM)
lolx thx, i can slightly feel the different now thx again to u guys  rclxms.gif
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you're lucky if starving / ideal profile works for you... provided you are using titan's kernel.

if starving / ideal profile causes crashes or reboots, then try XLV or ULV. ULV is quite stable on most n900s.

if really no choice, stick to LV. OC'ing using the default voltage consumes more power than intended, drys up battery too fast.
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post Jul 14 2010, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8318 @ Jul 14 2010, 07:42 PM)
i just receive the version no. from the seller, is old or new?
pls help?
V 3.2010.02-8.2071
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version doesn't matter. can be updated on your own. the latest version v10 was just released about a month+ ago, so i doubt any dealers would have sets with latest version preinstalled.

just make sure you are getting original accessories and check on the T&C of the warranty to be sure you are getting a good deal.

i think you are getting AP set, so its better to get it from a reputable AP company.


Added on July 14, 2010, 8:09 pm
QUOTE(kappa89 @ Jul 14 2010, 08:01 PM)
err. got question. y i cant get capture screenshot working? ive tried using Ctrl + Shift + P, also installed load applet aplication. still the screen shot nowhere to be seen.. hurm..
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check in Images folder, there would be a subfolder named Screenshots.

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post Jul 14 2010, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8318 @ Jul 14 2010, 08:21 PM)
hmm...just as i expect....
can i know what T&C u reffer.....?
yes....i'm getting AP set from KL....but the seller able to cover the warranty at ipoh area for me ....cos the seller from ipoh...

thanks
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some AP companies have weird warranties.

for e.g. i have heard weird things such as :

1 year for system board

6 months for LCD

6 months for speaker / mic

1 month for battery and charger

1 month for all other accessories

so make sure what you're getting into before you pay.
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post Jul 14 2010, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Jul 14 2010, 09:00 PM)
guys, i went into a webpage developed with flash 10. since our browser only support flash  9 only, the thing cant be displayed so it redirected me to adobe's download page. they detected my OS as linux and there were a few versions  to download. i wonder if we can get our browser supporting flash 10.1 by updating like this?
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we would be very happy if this is possible, sadly it does not work that way.

that is flash 10 for generic linux for PC
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post Jul 14 2010, 10:45 PM

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http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realisti...n_Harmattan_.3F

list of bugs being worked on / fixed so far. see all bugs fixed May 10th onwards because PR1.2 was compiled on May 10th...

wondering when PR1.3 is coming... hopefully they will do some major changes apart from the bug fixes...
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post Jul 15 2010, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(ahtiven @ Jul 15 2010, 09:46 AM)
But not with Mr. Job's destroy-all-flash mentality. To be honest, Flash has been around for so long, and Silverlight? I only installed in like few days ago in my machine when I was trying to check out Samsung Galaxy S droptest. Beats me, but when will be the next time I'll be using Silverlight?

HTML5 is cool. I like it. I was in awe when I first checked it out over Engadget some time ago. It's not as heavy as flash, it's very light. You can play Doom (Euraiku?), Megaman and all sort of other 16-bit game masterpieces.

In my opinion, Flash will die IF major streaming sites switch to HTML5 in future. E.g. Youtube.
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Flash was meant for simple animations on websites, to replace animated GIF which had limitations sizewise and performance wise when too many frames were required to render a video like animation.

since then flash has become this all-rounder that does video, animation, games, applets, almost everything.

HTML5 is a new media format that does not try to compete with flash but co-exist. in fact HTML5 is much more powerful than flash can ever hope to be.

imho, flash will still be used here and there, but much of the web will be transitioning to HTML5 soon. HTML5 is a container format, much like AVI or MKV.

its not a single format from a single company that can be monopolized by any single entity.

in the near future, Flash will be like our animated gif smilies brows.gif brows.gif , things of the past, and HTML5 will take over.


Added on July 15, 2010, 9:59 amhttp://www.chromeexperiments.com/

works best in chrome. be amazed at what HTML5 can do even at this infant stage.

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post Jul 15 2010, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(ahtiven @ Jul 15 2010, 10:09 AM)
Exactly, the market is big enough for both Flash and HTML5 to coexist. Maybe the websites would have options like "Enter Flash site OR Enter HTML5 site"?

If Job's right that HTML5 is the future, perhaps it's time for me to become iFanboy? lol
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eventually, symbian^3/symbian^4 and maemo/meego (maybe even S40) will support HTML5 as well.

i would be worried if my company develops silverlight...
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post Jul 15 2010, 08:23 PM

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iDon't have...

http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/p/idont-list.html
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post Jul 15 2010, 09:33 PM

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http://www.laptopmag.com/l/smart-phone-buying-guide.aspx

biased reviews - apple fanboyism.
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post Jul 15 2010, 11:52 PM

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running only on 3 steps of frequencies now.

250Mhz - 500Mhz - 750Mhz

freqs not in use - 125Mhz, 550Mhz, 600Mhz and 700Mhz

the transition of freqs after OC is not smooth, so i took out some freqs where the values were too near.

running on custom power settings as well,

0:16,90
250:25,180
500:31,360
750:44,430


Added on July 16, 2010, 12:14 amthis way it doesnt jump to 550Mhz or 600Mhz or 700Mhz unnecessarily. only goes to 750Mhz if absolutely needed.

i adjusted the up_threshold to 90 as well so that the ondemand governor is not so jumpy, the original 75 value makes it too jumpy when it gets excited.

i am going to push down the voltage further. titans ideal and starving profile doesn't work for mine, but in some Mhz i am able to push it much lower.


Added on July 16, 2010, 12:23 amlowered again, new values

250:24,180
500:30,360
750:44,430



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post Jul 16 2010, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(VeilSidex @ Jul 16 2010, 12:23 AM)
Just install quake 2 from application manager, but when it start just show blank screen loading then jumo out to main screen, any one know why?
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you need to have the quake data files (.pak, i guess) in the correct directories. i dont think you downloaded the entire game... its just the executable.
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post Jul 16 2010, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jul 16 2010, 01:18 AM)
Mmmmm, quake. Maybe I should install it later for a quick frag or two. Wonder if I can get Urban Assault + Bots on as well.

But for me the best time waster so far has got to be Descent. Hopefully LordNelson releases a version that supports D2 as well, I've yet to win that one actually.

That and Jagged Alliance 2. Though I have to squint really hard for JA2.

On a side note, I wonder if my Otterbox arrive edi.

Also, 3G has been acting a lil funky lately, I hope it's just Sialcom being... well... you know, rather then me zapping the 3G module with static when I operated on my N900.

My 2.5G connections has been superb though. Which is a wonder.

@jakiman: I'm still running 500 all the way up to 850, starving stock voltages. Any advantages of running 3-step in terms of responsiveness?

I really can't run 250 as base because the phone app gets all laggy after the phone is used and locked a while. Using 500 as base has not really shown much battery life impact in actual use for me, but general responsiveness has been good if not impressive - even more so with my modded transitions.ini.

Unless I leave things on and they get swapped, in whic case everything slows to a crawl lol.

@gogo2: There are several methods to get chinese input already on the N900:

1) MSCIM
2) Stroke-order
3) Online javascript
4) Emacs
5) Penpower
6) Kanjipad (in a way)
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dude, i am not jakiman. that is some dude on the OC thread at talk.maemo.org

anyway, for the moment 3-step is helping me identify problematic freq+volt combo, pushing down lower than starving profile. but i've got a funny unit, the lower Mhz can go really lower than starving profile's voltages.

i am using a value of 100 for powersave_bias, and 90% threshold, so the processor does not jump up a notch unnecessarily.

for example, i am playing mp3 = @250Mhz, then i tap on the status menu just to check the name of wifi AP i am connected to, if you look closely, the processor will get panicked and jump to 500Mhz for 1/2 second, then to 550Mhz or 600Mhz for 1-2 seconds more, before coming back to 250Mhz when i leave it alone.

now with just 250-500-750, there is not much choices for it to jump, and since threshold is higher, it will not panic and jump up just because i touched the screen. it doesnt jump up as much when i scroll the song list as well, unless i flick the list and kinetic scrolling kicks in.

i might change the scale and try something else.

now when i play non-HD video content, then processor sits stable at 500Mhz after peaking at 750Mhz when starting to play (buffer + initialize codec + initialize rendering thread)

before this, if u play videos, the processor Mhz keeps flipping - 500-550-600-700-750-600-550-500-550-600

now stays put at 500Mhz, occasionally hits 750Mhz when i tap on screen to pause or when increase volume, then back to 500Mhz

but i think i might try 250-500-750-1000....


Added on July 16, 2010, 1:53 am
QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 16 2010, 01:45 AM)
great! Anyway, I seldom MMS... PHONE side is how crippled? Is the sound loud? I just need loud ring tone and
loud speaker phone and definitely loud and clear voice calling...
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well, loud is not something that the n900 would be described as.

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post Jul 16 2010, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jul 16 2010, 01:57 AM)
How crippled? Lets see:

1) No contact grouping
2) No per caller ringtone
3) No 3G video calling
4) Phone app sometimes screws up while you're doing a lot of things (lags and freezes = missed call)
5) No speed dialing
6) No voice dialing

There's some more, but those are the major problems, although an app called MyContact solves the first two problems (and number 6) and the forth one, well, is dependent on how heavily you load the N900 and if you're OverClocked (you can REALLY, REALLY multi-task on the N900 after all).

But speaker phone is KINDA loud (only a little lower volume compared to the 5800/N97, though it sucks in the car) and ring tone is loud enough IMHO.

And voice is ok, no real problems on that front unless you are in an area with bad reception (like all other phones).

@jananan: sorry bro, fast typing on N900 at late night + ngantuk = typos galore.
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what i noticed is the voice quality suffers a lot when reception is bad, much worse than other phones.

for e.g. with same SIM card in the same area, the nokia 5800 express music has clearer call quality than n900, even though the signal bar's same level. if your telco has 1-2 bars only in your area, you might not be satisfied with the call quality.

i use digi, and with n900 when you're driving it sounds like you're trying to skype using 56k modem. a lot of jitter and stutter.


Added on July 16, 2010, 2:16 ambut since this is nokia's first attempt at stuffing a gsm/umts module inside a maemo tablet, perhaps in time with newer firmware it will get better.

gsm/umts modules are commonplace for nokia s40, s60 and other non-color phones. so they have been perfecting it for a long time now. even sub RM100 phones from nokia has crystal clear voice quality now.

since previous n770, n800, n810 tablets did not have gsm/umts module...

give them some time i say...

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QUOTE(acat @ Jul 16 2010, 12:04 PM)
nope. i did not install any widget. autodisconnect does help battery life a lot IF im using wifi or 3G right? but im not connecting to any other wifi or 3G this week.  hmm.gif
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install conky or htop and monitor what processes/threads use up the processor.

if you have a lot of media, it could be indexing. that takes a long time, the tracker

backup your stuff, reflash fiasco and emmc, that will solve it for sure. sometimes rogue processes are not killed off when u uninstall / disable stuff.
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QUOTE(cloud8318 @ Jul 16 2010, 12:15 PM)
after some search....i found Mugen have an 2400mAh battery....but the battery size is huge....the package come with extra cover for N900 that make the N900 crazy huge in size.... sweat.gif

do u mean the Genuine NOKIA Extra Power DC-11..... but i read from the nokia website...it only have 500mAh!!...while stock BL-5J is 1320 mAh....is it worth pay RM2xx for DC-11?

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its 1500mAh

and there are other compatible external battery packs up to 3000mAh even.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 16 2010, 12:22 PM)
Buy it and u get the activation code from sygic


Added on July 16, 2010, 12:23 pm

Alot of ppl complaining now it doesnt matter whether its 3000mAh the output still 500mAh. So if u cant alternate the pin charging still too slow because nokia n900 charger charge at 1200mAh
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i've already dissected my usb cable with 2 leads and shorted the data pins. charging is faster than just single usb. but nowhere as fast as the wall charger.

rather than external battery, i think an extra battery with a desktop charger is a better solution.

carrying around an extra BL-5J is lighter than an external battery.

just one downside to it, have to switch off phone, yank the dead battery out and replace, meaning need to shutdown and reboot.

external battery packs alllow continuous usage while charging, but it may never be fully charged.


Added on July 16, 2010, 4:57 pmbut i dont think nokia has desktop chargers for BL-5J

you can get a fake desktop charger (china) and risk constructing a mini bomb.


Added on July 16, 2010, 5:04 pmhttps://www.superbuy.my/shop/p-10525-belkin-f8z445-micro-auto-charger-for-iphone-and-ipod.aspx

cheapest i've seen this RM50.

but might need some mod before it works, it outputs 1000mAh anyway.

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post Jul 16 2010, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(acks2257 @ Jul 16 2010, 05:28 PM)
Just browse thru and found this..

SOLAR CHARGER
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and leave out the n900 to dry in the sun while it charges...

heat damages batteries, you would not want to leave out the external battery pack in the sun as well.

more heat = more self discharge of batteries.
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QUOTE(acks2257 @ Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM)
i think its not how it work.. this is something like dc-11, i think it come with an internal battery.. but its solar charged..
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i mean the internal battery will get damaged as well if u leave it out in the sun.

those kind of solar ext batteries also come with adapter, u can use it as a normal ext battery.

solar only for emergency cases, not for daily use.
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QUOTE(locolyric @ Jul 16 2010, 06:11 PM)
hi, i do have the same problem with you last time. after i restore my back up and it turn up like this.

Just re-flash again and don't do any application restore then everything will be fine.
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i dont think backing up application/settings will work on any smartphone OS.

only backup/restore items such as contacts, calendar, media files.

restoring the rest will cause conflicts with newer versions of files/settings from the new firmware.

even applications that are installed on older firmware, might be linked to older versions of system libs, thus restoring the apps might not work.

always reinstall apps when update/reload firmware. same like any desktop OS as well, u cant expect to delete c:\windows folder and reload windows only and expect stuff in c:\program files to just magically work.

even if it works when u restore apps and settings like that, usually hildon-desktop or hildon-status or widgeting will use more processing % and consume battery.


Added on July 16, 2010, 6:44 pmtime for angry bird... again...

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post Jul 16 2010, 07:17 PM

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with my modded split-y usb cable, the command "hal-device bme" output is

maemo.charger.type = 'wall charger'

with normal usb cable, the command "hal-device bme" output is

maemo.charger.type = 'host 500mA'

takes about 90-110 minutes charging a flat battery with the modded cable, charging while the device is switched on. i guess its charging with 500mA + 500mA = 1000mA

almost same like the wall charger i would say... nokia wall charger is 1200mA


Added on July 16, 2010, 7:43 pmhttp://www.energizer.com/products/energi-to-go/Pages/cell-battery-charger.aspx

this looks small and pocketable. also it would work with my sanyo eneloops...

http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/process.html

or you can try this... i can tell you that AA portable chargers are powerful. because AA batteries have high mAh even though lower voltage.


Added on July 16, 2010, 7:53 pmand how about this ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Micro-USB-Emergency...y-/320530322851

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