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post Jul 26 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Jul 26 2012, 12:53 PM)
Would "non API certified" oils void the vehicle's warranty?
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Technically, they can indeed void your warranty because it is very clearly stated that you must use an engine oil of a particular API rating, just like using an oil with the wrong viscosity would void your warranty. The question is, can they prove you used an oil without API rating?

In practice, how can they know whether you are using a good oil from Torco or a Cap Ayam brand from some back alley?

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post Jul 31 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jul 31 2012, 03:42 PM)
Viscosity does not translate into protection. Film strength provides the protection from shearing but there is no film strength indicator. Viscosity just means the fluids resistances to flow which is another meaning for being thick or thin. A lower viscosity number does not always mean lower protection.
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High Temperature High Stress or HTHS? There are reports Mineral Oil has higher HTHS than Synthetic.

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post Aug 4 2012, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(shen1716 @ Aug 4 2012, 08:22 AM)
i would say older api are means for better performance,newer api are better for environment,coz they reduce amount of additive to meet for emmision standard.correct me if i'm wrong
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Some people has this flawed thinking anything newer must be better without asking "better for what"? Better for the car but not the environment? Or better for the environment but not the car?



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post Aug 4 2012, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 4 2012, 09:16 AM)
I use Premium Mineral 5W 30 for 5 years, switch to 10W 40 SL Nxxx brand because of Engine keep reducing. Maybe the oil too thin... Just switch to 10W 40 SL feel that the car power reducing, maybe that's the meaning of you, Viscosity change from thinner to thicker, but is from Mineral to SEMI.... After that switch to Magna Brand 10W 40 SM grade, the power is coming back, even compare to 5W30, it is better.... I will going to try this Magna Brand SN Grade next service... Will giving the general feedback regarding that...

I choose this brand is because it is the cheapest compare to I use before and also I saw in the market, SEMI 10W40 SN/GF5. You won't get such grade in only RM 90 in the market... Except those fake oil or fake bottle.
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5W30. It has to be either Fully Synthetic or Semi Synthetic. Any 5W30 made from Mineral is potentially damaging to your engine so I would advise not using it.

On the other hand, 10w30 made from Mineral is perfectly fine.


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post Aug 4 2012, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 4 2012, 09:21 AM)
Nasa got Mineral Oil in 5W30... I use it because it is cheap and it is worth for my car, I service it once a month as it reach 5K KM already.
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It is OK to use Semi or Fully Syn 5W30. But it is not advisable to use Mineral 5W30 because for Mineral to get those grades, it has to use lot of viscosity improver that may break down leaving your engine with poor protection. My 2 sen.
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Aug 4 2012, 11:28 AM)
SN is not always better than SM, fully synthetic is not always better then semi synthetic. I have customers boasing on using shell's helix ultra, mobil1, and whatever fully synth oil in the market. I sold them another oil at half of the price they paid for their previous oil and it performed much better.
Btw, I don't care wether it's an SL or SM or SN. As long as it produces results, and doesn't degrade over time.
Guys, do you all feel your car having the brand new fresh feeling everytime after an oil change?
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In your opinion and knowledge, is it possible for a Petronas Synthetic 0W30 oil or 5W30 oil to have lower HTHS value than the mineral Petronas Mach5 10W30?

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post Aug 5 2012, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(pumpman @ Aug 5 2012, 01:45 AM)
I always use this info when choosing my engine oil. There are more than these in oil technical datasheet and it means alot for those who understand .. smile.gif
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Petrocanada seems best for protection.
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post Aug 6 2012, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 6 2012, 10:57 AM)
find your car owners manual, and check the recommended oil. there they would have stated the minimun api rating to be used for the car.
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Many people don't read their car manual. And think all mechanic and oil salesman are expert.

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Aug 5 2012, 12:09 PM)
izit because of it's HTHS?
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I would like to know more of HTHS but unfortunately, some company like Petronas treats those information as Top Secret and will never give it to you. My friend did asked them for it and was told 'no way they are giving it to him'.

Using normal conspiracy theory, the more they have to hide, the more there is something in it.


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post Aug 9 2012, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(pumpman @ Aug 8 2012, 08:23 PM)
Using cheap oil without understanding your engine requirement is dangerous. Understanding oil and your engine safe you money and trouble. TBN is mention in the datasheet, but again need to check the TAN no of the oil..Eg No point having a oil with TBN of 9 but TAN of 4. The oil cannot last long too.. Doing VOA and UOA is the best way out..
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Actually, picking a correct engine oil need not require a rocket scientist or a Phd in Chemistry. All one need to do is, read the car manual and use the oil specified and change at correct OCI. Case closed.

Unfortunately, vast majority of motorist never read their manual. Take a example. There are plenty of Proton car owner but according to the manual, you can use 10W30 but not 5W30 in Malaysia. But 99% of owner don't know that because they never read their manual. May be Malaysian don't know how to read?



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QUOTE(chemistry @ Aug 9 2012, 10:50 AM)
I thought we only need to look at the number behind the "w" ?
In my observation, most 10w30 oils are mineral based, while 5w30 are mostly semi syn.
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That is a great mystery as to why we can't use 5W30 but that's what is written in the manual. I would like to know the answer also and until I do, I just stick to what the manual said because I am not a rocket scientist.

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Aug 9 2012, 02:35 PM)
and proton uses xw50. LOL
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I don't know which Proton or what year's Proton you are referring to. But I have seen a couple of Proton in present day showroom using 10W30 for ambient temperature up to 40 deg C.

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Aug 9 2012, 04:39 PM)
COE themselves. Word from my BLM customers' mouth
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Many of those people know nothing and never read the car manual either. So instead, I pick up the car manual and the manual said to use 10W30. Personally, I would rather trust the car manual than those people.


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QUOTE(pumpman @ Aug 9 2012, 07:44 PM)
This is one of the very strange things that I personally have no clue until recently.. My friends driving exora bold , in the manual stated 10w-30, but went to Proton SC , they use 10w-40..
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The manaul did say you can, beside 10W30, to use 10W40 thought 10W40 is not the best choice. But you can't use 5W30 rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 9 2012, 09:05 PM)
For a sincere question, you want your car last longer or just a few years? Actually if your car got engine oil, no matter you change it or not, your car still can move, just the life of the car engine can last longer or short. If you like to REV, choose higher Viscosity engine oil is help to protect your engine, lower viscosity is for economic use because it is thin and light, your engine can run very easier compare to higher viscosity engine oil.
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I have done 1/2 million km with Mineral. Anyone can do that without needing to be a rocket scientist or excessively paranoid over simple thing like engine oil. All need to do is stick strictly to the car manual.
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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 10 2012, 08:25 AM)
I argued this with two sc, they said , cannot be 10/30 all campro based engines ,they pour 10/40. When i showed them d book, they kept quiet. So, i didnt go back to them....
I finally found one authorized center, that, the moment thry saw my car, they said...this cfe engine, and cps , must use 10/30. If not long run problem. Dah dua kali service dah, pakai 10/30, 10k oci. Car runs well, though starting 12th, might need to slow down....cant risk the summons by d new system already...
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haha. We in same boat. I know I am not a rocket scientist nor a automotive engineers so instead just follow what the manual said. But there are many others who are either ignorant or think they are Einstein so use other oils instead.

BTW, did that mechanic said what sort of long run problem?



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post Aug 11 2012, 10:11 AM

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I don't know why Malaysian are so fixated with Synthetic oil. We don't live in Alaska nor Sahara so I see absolutely no reason to use them in our Protons and Perodua etc. But I guess Malaysian are either paranoid or have too much money to burn.



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QUOTE(chemistry @ Aug 11 2012, 10:41 AM)
That film-forming feature only available in semisyn & above ?
How great if Mineral also got MoS2... smile.gif
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Distilled water is cleaner than tap water for bathing. But do you need distill water for bathing?

Synthetic is better than mineral to protect engines. But do you need Synthetic for use in Proton?

Same logic.

In all my years and my friend's year of driving turbo diesel which are harsher on engine oil then petrol engine, never once do we have engine oil related problem with using Mineral. The longest we kept our engine were 1/2 million kilometer before selling off and even then, no problem


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QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 11 2012, 11:49 AM)
Actually everything is based on their spending power... They use better oil to protect their engine are their choice... Same thing that you wearing branded clothes and normal chothes... Better quality is giving better protection, This is always customer thinking...

Use Synthetic for Diesel engine is ok too, problem is that's too much expensive compare to Petrol Engine, since they use more oil compare to diesel engine... If you use the transport for working, you need to service more compare to others, you will think about cheaper and also quality oil to protect your engine...

I already found out mine, how about you?
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Mineral that can last 1/2 million km is already good enough for me.

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2012, 01:23 AM)
if you have certain conditions (eg: skin diseases), id think that you may need distilled water or well treated/filtered water.

likewise, if you're driving is all about getting from point a to point b, sure. why bother anything over mineral right?

however if you'd like to have a bit of fun in your driving, go high revving, heavy start stops etc (if you're driving fast in traffic, you're ought to face harder braking situations and high revving again to pick up the pace)

i'm sure if you're a car person, you'd like to have:
1) more protection to your engine due to your behavior
2) having engine oil that provides less friction/coating to your engine so that it performs/revs better.

now, i have used almost all the mainstream mineral oil (shell, caltax, mobil, petronas etc) before i moved to semi syn i am using now, i can tell you straight up that none of them can last more then 2-3k km without my engine feeling sluggish, and none of them can provide me the smoothness and/or faster revving that i am having now.

granted, this is more of a "user problem" than an engine or engine oil problem. however its their driving, their money. who are you to judge? smile.gif
Sure you need proper protection of engine but there is no need to go overboard. IMO, Protons etc using Fully Synthetic is going overboard.

Now what your butts feel and what is actually happening in the engine are not the same thing. For example, additives like anti-rust and anti-foaming in both Mineral and Synthetic got depleted at the same time. So while after certain km, while the Synethtic may still make your butts feel smooth, it's anti-rust are already long gone just like the anti-rust in Mineral.


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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2012, 01:41 AM)
shell? tried mineral and for once semi syn.

i just want to say that my engine feels damn refreshed after an oil change from either of those oil at 5k km (the semi syn at 7.5k because thats what all the "sifus" said [5k min/7.5k semi/10k full] lol).
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This is the biggest load of rubbish around. No where have I seen that written in black & white anywhere in the world. Only through mechanic and friends of friends etc.

Go ask this acid question to whoever told you that nonsense "Why do we change engine oil? Is it because butts say engine no longer feel smooth or is it because the additives in engine oil has been depleted"?


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