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giovanni
post Apr 6 2013, 09:34 AM

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We shouldn't. Fact is, education policies are dictated by politicians, and those advising them are educators. What I've seen is that it's rare for the good ones to get to such an advisory post, as they end up having to deal with a whole ton of internal politics before they can reach a position good enough to make considerable impact on our educational policy. UM's Prof. Gauth is one of those quality few.
In all honesty, I moved on long ago. Although I take the issue close to heart, don't confuse it as me being bitter. I've earned my keep through publications and community service, and I'm happily past my 3-year mark without any regret. My intentions are only to make clear the details of the system to those potential candidates. Had I known what I know today, I would've opted to skip the fast-track program. My only hope is that someone comes across this post and it contributes to him/her making an informed decision.
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I'm a product of a direct 3 year phd studentship in the UK. I don't see myself beIng s slop
ron4
post Apr 7 2013, 09:36 PM

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The reason is im still not satisfied in my life for just having a degree and master, and also 9 years experience working in industry. I need more knowledge and exposure to make my life more even better in term of knowledge and to be somebody in a country in future.
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QUOTE(ron4 @ Apr 7 2013, 09:36 PM)
The reason is im still not satisfied in my life for just having a degree and master, and also 9 years experience working in industry. I need more knowledge and exposure to make my life more even better in term of knowledge and to be somebody in a country in future.
Hi Ron,

(1) What’s your dream job?

(2) What bothers you most about not having enough knowledge and exposure?

(3) Are you ever satisfied? Why or why not?

(4) How do you go about illuminating “blind spots” in your life?
IvanWong1989
post Apr 10 2013, 12:17 AM

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Although I am not continuing to further my studies for now since i've decided to test the waters in industry.... but one of the reason I even considered furthering was that there's a particular interest in being a lecturer. Not so because of pay, but because of the available time to do stuff of interest to me.

But I found out interest alone in a particular field does not make a good researcher. I did have interest, but I am particularly annoyed by the need to document.... meaning, I may research, develop, model, design, but all without any documentation as I really disliked it.

As such... I've put my road to further study on hold till perhaps later on.


also just my 2 cents.

It's my believe that a lecturer isn't really teaching in the sense, they are tasked to share. Also, although I'm not a creme de la creme student, I must say, I feel it's bad to the education system if they feel that failing students is a taboo. As with my previous thread about bell grading, I strongly disapprove. To me, the standard to pass doesn't need to be moved to accommodate the batch of students, it is them that has to step up or be kicked out if they can't stand up to par.

What's wrong with failing 99 students out of 100 students? if the 99 can't step up, no use awarding them a degree. Just my 2cents...
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post Apr 10 2013, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Apr 10 2013, 12:17 AM)

It's my believe that a lecturer isn't really teaching in the sense, they are tasked to share. Also, although I'm not a creme de la creme student, I must say, I feel it's bad to the education system if they feel that failing students is a taboo. As with my previous thread about bell grading, I strongly disapprove. To me, the standard to pass doesn't need to be moved to accommodate the batch of students, it is them that has to step up or be kicked out if they can't stand up to par.

What's wrong with failing 99 students out of 100 students? if the 99 can't step up, no use awarding them a degree. Just my 2cents...
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Just because you are a lecturer and have a PhD doesn't mean the answer given by the students is wrong. Some shit lecturers are always follow the answer scheme just because they believed the answer is the only right answer. They never admit that they have done wrong and claim that they know better just because they have the so called PhD.

This is one of the reason on why students prefer to memorize notes instead of thinking out of the box.
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post Apr 10 2013, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Apr 10 2013, 09:27 AM)
Just because you are a lecturer and have a PhD doesn't mean the answer given by the students is wrong. Some shit lecturers are always follow the answer scheme just because they believed the answer is the only right answer. They never admit that they have done wrong and claim that they know better just because they have the so called PhD.

This is one of the reason on why students prefer to memorize notes instead of thinking out of the box.
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Agreed..... I've encountered a few too that takes their answer schemes as the one and only..
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Apr 10 2013, 09:27 AM)
Just because you are a lecturer and have a PhD doesn't mean the answer given by the students is wrong.
Oh! Dr. Ivan is a lecturer in UniMAP? blink.gif

QUOTE(Irzani @ Apr 10 2013, 09:27 AM)
This is one of the reason on why students prefer to memorize notes instead of thinking out of the box.
Different education culture and society. Almost all answers are printed in the textbooks. Their primary objective is to score and pass with flying colors. “Black or white cat matters not as long as it can catch mice.
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Apr 10 2013, 10:26 AM)
Agreed..... I've encountered a few too that takes their answer schemes as the one and only..
There are many kinds of educators in the world.
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QUOTE(v1n0d @ May 18 2010, 10:02 AM)
Doing my PhD now.
You don't do one unless your interested in the academic line. The pay, benefits etc. don't really make it any better than other management-level jobs out there.
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Yeap... and on top of that, you feel the burden with the Dr. title, if you are not up-to-date in your area of expertise. But I have seen many doctorates bullshit their way, when they don't know the answer. Just like any field, there are good "doctors" and lousy "doctors"...
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lol.. imma not a lecturer la.... @@.... ikan bilis medium grade student only
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post Apr 12 2013, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(giovanni @ Apr 6 2013, 09:34 AM)
I'm a product of a direct 3 year phd studentship in the UK. I don't see myself beIng s slop
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My criticism is mainly of the Malaysian 3-year direct-to-PhD program. As I have no experience with the UK one, I choose not to pass comment regarding it's quality. I do however wish to note that among the lecturers/supervisors I've had, those with US-based research degrees tend to exhibit a higher level of competency. This of course may just be a coincidence, and doesn't necessarily reflect the overall quality of graduates produced by both these countries. As the forumer below has noted, the quality of a graduate is highly dependent on the person himself/herself.

QUOTE(ekompute @ Apr 10 2013, 06:05 PM)
Yeap... and on top of that, you feel the burden with the Dr. title, if you are not up-to-date in your area of expertise. But I have seen many doctorates bullshit their way, when they don't know the answer. Just like any field, there are good "doctors" and lousy "doctors"...
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Apr 9 2013, 06:59 PM)
Hi Ron,

(1) What’s your dream job?

(2) What bothers you most about not having enough knowledge and exposure?

(3) Are you ever satisfied? Why or why not?

(4) How do you go about illuminating “blind spots” in your life?
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1) My current job. But in future maybe in R&D

2) In industry usually u cannot focus on R&D

3) As above

4) Can't understand what u mean

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post May 20 2013, 11:00 PM

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http://iedaimmi.blogspot.com/2013/03/jins-...egar-walau.html

http://www.mstar.com.my/cerita.asp?file=/2...nusia_peristiwa

This guy was taking his Phd while age around 73 years old. After finished his Phd, now he suffered from alzheimer's disease. Like a few people in this forum said Phd = permanently head damage.

So i think finish your Phd while you still young.

This post has been edited by ron4: May 20 2013, 11:02 PM
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learning is a life Long process. It doesn't stop after doctorate, etc.


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QUOTE(ron4 @ May 20 2013, 11:00 PM)
http://iedaimmi.blogspot.com/2013/03/jins-...egar-walau.html

http://www.mstar.com.my/cerita.asp?file=/2...nusia_peristiwa

This guy was taking his Phd while age around 73 years old. After finished his Phd, now he suffered from alzheimer's disease. Like a few people in this forum said Phd = permanently head damage.

So i think finish your Phd while you still young.
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On the contrary, not using your brain enough for thinking is a risk factor for Alzheimer's Disease.
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QUOTE(zoomckng @ Jun 17 2013, 02:35 PM)
learning is a life Long process. It doesn't stop after doctorate, etc.
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"Ancora imparo (still I am learning)" - Michelangelo
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QUOTE(zoomckng @ Jun 17 2013, 03:35 PM)
learning is a life Long process. It doesn't stop after doctorate, etc.
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QUOTE(zoomckng @ Jun 17 2013, 02:35 PM)
learning is a life Long process. It doesn't stop after doctorate, etc.
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agree. no matter where you go, u will need to learn as well. the difference is, when doing your phd, u r free to learn anything u r interested. when u go out to work, u r "forced"/needed to learn something which might not be your interest.
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I think this thread is dead but... 1. I'm halfway through my Masters, but definitely planning to get my PhD before I hit 29 - 30.

Why am I set on getting my PhD...?

1. Clinical psychologists pay better than Master-level counselors (although mysteriously these counselors get paid well hourly in M'sia).
2. Licensure in other states in the US is usually not a problem.
3. I intend to teach anyway some day.
4. Interdisciplinary studies in some grad schools are fascinating compared to streamlined programs (so frustrating!)
5. I wanted to make sure I surpassed my dad's level (he got his MBA).

I think one of the major problems of going into a PhD program is being left to sort stuff out on your own when you've been so accustomed to direction. Another would be to feel stupid because we're so used to having the "right" answers.

And then just to stay humbled, PhD could also mean people will take you as "educated beyond intelligence", and just because you have a PhD doesn't mean you're smart necessarily (look at the lady who had a PhD and encouraged women to be hoes in the bedroom).

I actually really like writing, so it doesn't bother me to write a thesis. It's facking scary as shit, but I still like research... which, I'm in the "soft science" of psychology so no large focus on labwork for me wahoo!
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Is it true that going for PhD has lesser chance to build a family because of spending too much time on the research itself?

Because I see most of my lecturer still being single. tongue.gif

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