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post May 9 2010, 07:39 PM, updated 16y ago

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Do any one agree that biotechnology graduate is really hard to find a good pay job in malaysia?

welcome all biotechnology graduate to leave a comment or anyone of you who have friends that is a biotechnology graduate but got a good job in malaysia to give opinion.



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Agreed. I was a biotech graduate and i ended up working in insurance industry biggrin.gif
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Gonna be agreeing with this soon. Biotech, soon to be grad here. Got job offers, all non-biotech related. Anyway i didnt bother putting effort into trying to apply for biotech positions either biggrin.gif

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biotech grad here also, never had a high pay job until now.
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post May 10 2010, 09:59 AM

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the true biotech grad that has a job in the science field are busy doing their experiment or analsing result,s giving presentations rather than sitting in front of the computer surfing LYN laugh.gif
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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 10 2010, 09:59 AM)
the true biotech grad that has a job in the science field are busy doing their experiment or analsing result,s giving presentations rather than sitting in front of the computer surfing LYN laugh.gif
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I think what he referred to was the scarcity of jobs in this field and the pay that somehow doesnt equal up to other fields?

U seem to be a big fan of biotech and u keep saying it has bright future. Makes me wonder how much u are earning in ur bio-related company

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post May 10 2010, 11:07 AM

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haha.. earning enough tongue.gif

Pay is good when u become the head of the department. Scarcity is of course less than the jobs available for other sectors such as banking, insurance. etc which doesnt require any specific field of study because anyone can take up that job. Meaning higher level of competition for that job.

Chemistry is another good field. I think better than biotech since the got more chances of employability.

Me a big fan of biotech? lol.. because im stuck in this field so trying to console myself..hahahahha
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i suppose most of the grads could stand an edge if they are applying to health, beauty cosmetics, environment, pharmaceutical, food industry etc fields.

they can be either going to work at research dept, or even sales and marketing, production lines, quality control, HR, etc as they possess the knowledge of understanding the sciences. if u have the right communication sklls, i don't see why u can't move to management level.
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yes. But i think they are referring to science based positions such as scientist/lab officer/RA's and so on. Entering sales/qc/ and other divisions are not hard, its just that some who studied biotech prefer to be in the R&D division itself, which is pretty much lacking in malaysia.
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malaysia less develop in biotech industry, of course it will not hav a high paid for those bio tech worker. since it is a less demand industry
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errmm..i got one friend..bio tech grad..

now become research assistant at a public u..


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QUOTE(zstan @ May 18 2010, 11:03 AM)
errmm..i got one friend..bio tech grad..

now become research assistant at a public u..
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Meaning he/she is pursuing his/her masters in science:nod: Thats one option, but not everyone would have the chance to do so. Anyhow, if one is optimistic and willing to step into another field, then i think there should be no problems on finding a job.
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QUOTE(cutejams2004 @ May 18 2010, 11:07 AM)
Meaning he/she is pursuing his/her masters in science:nod: Thats one option, but not everyone would have the chance to do so. Anyhow, if one is optimistic and willing to step into another field, then i think there should be no problems on finding a job.
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errrrrrr.....that's because he told me he ntg do..then this guy call him then only he go help...i dunno whether he doing masters or not... wink.gif

after he graduated..he worked for a few company doing part time jobs...then go be volunteer...

but he's enjoying what he's doing...

i dunno about other people lor... biggrin.gif
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hi there,

i am a biotech grad (MSc). I agreed that r and d job that related to biotech is really hard to find. somemore, what biotechnology course give us is just a basic of almost every science subjects. Like me, i am not doing any majoring, but just biotechnology. Having sending a loy of application and no interview for me at all. The only one interview that i get is about molecular biology. the people end up sayting that because i am not majoring in molecular biology, therefore, he dont want to risk his company to hire a general science degree holder. I think i am having a wrong judement lasttime to believe the government effort to invest in biotechnology field. what the interview i got now is just insurance and also sales company. Didnt see any prospect in staying in biotech anymore.

Really regret that i didnt join a slimming company to become their trained nutritionist after i got my degree but i go into Msc. Now i want to find the same job, it's impossible. I have miss the golden chance.

Any biotech people out there who really involve themself in r and d or other fields, pls send respond to let other biotech grad to know what else industry they can be involved in ......i really run out of idea.


Advise to people who going to do a degree course, dont go into biotech but go into chemistry or pharmacy, cause these courses know formulation which really needed by food tech, drug, qc OR qa COMPANY.

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QUOTE(Bravo Fashion Trends @ May 18 2010, 10:24 PM)

Any biotech people out there who really involve themself in r and d or other fields, pls send respond to let other biotech grad to know what else industry they can be involved in ......i really run out of idea.

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Ok, I am a biotech graduate (BSc Hons.), my work is about bioinformatics! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Bravo Fashion Trends @ May 18 2010, 10:24 PM)
hi there,

i am a biotech grad (MSc). I agreed that r and d job that related to biotech is really hard to find. somemore, what biotechnology course give us is just a basic of almost every science subjects. Like me, i am not doing any majoring, but just biotechnology. Having sending a loy of application and no interview for me at all. The only one interview that i get is about molecular biology. the people end up sayting that because i am not majoring in molecular biology, therefore, he dont want to risk his company to hire a general science degree holder. I think i am having a wrong judement lasttime to believe the government effort to invest in biotechnology field. what the interview i got now is just insurance and also sales company. Didnt see any prospect in staying in biotech anymore.

Really regret that i didnt join a slimming company to become their trained nutritionist after i got my degree but i go into Msc. Now i want to find the same job, it's impossible. I have miss the golden chance.

Any biotech people out there who really involve themself in r and d or other fields, pls send respond to let other biotech grad to know what else industry they can be involved in ......i really run out of idea.
Advise to people who going to do a degree course, dont go into biotech but go into chemistry or pharmacy, cause these courses know formulation which really needed by food tech, drug, qc OR qa COMPANY.
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so means u wasted 2 yrs doing your masters? Now working in a totally unrelated field do u regret?
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post May 19 2010, 10:59 AM

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Not in Malaysia, but developed countries will need bio tech like Singapore.




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QUOTE(snoxd @ May 19 2010, 10:59 AM)
Not in Malaysia, but developed countries will need bio tech like Singapore.
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And they have enough grads from their own unis too. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(rach_ @ May 19 2010, 08:18 AM)
Ok, I am a biotech graduate (BSc Hons.), my work is about bioinformatics! smile.gif
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hi, i want to go into bioinfo too, but they say i dont know java, perl........


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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 19 2010, 10:25 AM)
so means u wasted 2 yrs doing your masters? Now working in a totally unrelated field do u regret?
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not regret. cause i gt mine in oversea. i think i am lucky at least i experience different things b4. i actually working in UK before i decided to come back. I didn't realized that it is so hard to find a biotech in Malaysia, i thought after a few years, government should have set up many companies. but end up same things. Now still looking for ideal job. wondering is there any biotech grad face the same things like me.

(actually i enjoy doing the course very much).

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QUOTE(Bravo Fashion Trends @ May 20 2010, 08:32 PM)
hi, i want to go into bioinfo too, but they say i dont know java, perl........


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not regret. cause i gt mine in oversea. i think i am lucky at least i experience different things b4. i actually working in UK before i decided to come back. I didn't realized that it is so hard to find a biotech in Malaysia, i thought after a few years, government should have set up many companies. but end up same things. Now still looking for ideal job.  wondering is there any biotech grad face the same things like me.

(actually i enjoy doing the course very much).
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Yes, there is a learning curve. My degree and honours year did not teach me programming langauges and IT skills too, i'm more to biochemistry research and lab work, not to the biotech side and not to the bioinfo side too.
But it is good enough if you have the cell biology basic, just have to learn the IT part (thats what im doing now everyday, and to be honest, its tough!)

Have you been to interview anyway? Do you mean the interviewers said that you are not eligible because you don't know java and perl?
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QUOTE(rach_ @ May 21 2010, 08:28 AM)
Yes, there is a learning curve. My degree and honours year did not teach me programming langauges and IT skills too, i'm more to biochemistry research and lab work, not to the biotech side and not to the bioinfo side too.
But it is good enough if you have the cell biology basic, just have to learn the IT part (thats what im doing now everyday, and to be honest, its tough!)

Have you been to interview anyway? Do you mean the interviewers said that you are not eligible because you don't know java and perl?
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Yes, they say i didn't have any programming or operating skills. They say they prefer candidate that have those skills. I just thinking i need to learn those myself. how you learn them? need to register any course or can download the program myself and do self-learning?
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Yes, they say i didn't have any programming or operating skills. They say they prefer candidate that have those skills. I just thinking i need to learn those myself. how you learn them? need to register any course or can download the program myself and do self-learning?
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Hmm, Im pretty surprised that they will say that. Well its true that they prefer people with real bioinfo background, but the fact is this type of expertise is too limited in msia. So most of the companies will take in biotech/biochem/genetics graduates. (and you have a masters! that should be an add point) May I know which company you went for interview, if you dont mind smile.gif

For me, my seniors in the company are guiding me but since they are really busy, lots of self learning too. I guess you can start with good bioinfo books, and follow the steps and do it on your own computer (softwares needed by the way). And google is your best friend too, always google!

I am a beginner in bioinfo too, cant give you much advice, sorry. But back to the biotech graduates' fate in msia, in my humble opinion, there are jobs available when you really look and do your homework. Many companies don't advertise, so you need to google a lot, go to their website, email them....etc. just try your best, thats what I think.



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the biotech friends whom i know, only 1 of them working in a related field... others, working for bank right now =x
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to rach_: there is a month where i was in Singapore doing a visit to my sister. The company is in Singapore, but i am not so convenient to tell the name of the company so clearly here. There is also one company that is not main in Bioinfo, but doing other research in Selangor. I actually having an interview for other position, and thepeople say they also have vacancy in Bioinfo. But they say i lack of that skills.

I was busy depositing resume nowadays to any related company that i found on website. Hope that they suddenly have a vacancy offer to me, if i am lucky.


to minnymin: my friends all went into insurance, and sales.
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QUOTE(Bravo Fashion Trends @ May 22 2010, 02:13 AM)
to rach_: there is a month where i was in Singapore doing a visit to my sister. The company is in Singapore, but i am not so convenient to tell the name of the company so clearly here. There is also one company that is not main in Bioinfo, but doing other research in Selangor. I actually having an interview for other position, and thepeople say they also have vacancy in Bioinfo. But they say i lack of that skills.

I was busy depositing resume nowadays to any related company that i found on website. Hope that they suddenly have a vacancy offer to me, if i am lucky.
to minnymin: my friends all went into insurance, and sales.
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Yes good idea. Just send in your resume to anywhere. Good Luck smile.gif
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hey well i m the postgraduate of the biotech, so it is true that it damn hard to get a job in biotech relate field after those biotech postgraduate student graduate. I thought they say that our government are encourage the develop of biotech industry in m'sia? Frankly i m kinda of scared after c what u guy said
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QUOTE(cherlynIN @ May 23 2010, 11:35 AM)
hey well i m the postgraduate of the biotech, so it is true that it damn hard to get a job in biotech relate field after those biotech postgraduate  student graduate. I thought they say that our government are encourage the develop of biotech industry in m'sia?  Frankly i m kinda of scared after c what u guy said
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postgrad master or phd? so have u graduated or not? if yes then u should share your experience with us right?
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postgrad master or phd? so have u graduated or not? if yes then u should share your experience with us right?
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oppsss sorry i mean i still the one that did undergraduate but my friend the one that did the postgraduate but not yet graduate. Sorry sorry sorry sorry ...
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QUOTE(cherlynIN @ May 23 2010, 10:42 PM)
oppsss sorry i mean i still the one that did undergraduate but my friend the one that did the postgraduate but not yet graduate. Sorry sorry sorry sorry ...
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Haha, I was about to say: you did not check the job opportunities in the market before you decided to do postgraduate??
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Haha, I was about to say: you did not check the job opportunities in the market before you decided to do postgraduate??
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of course i do check it. It can be a good opportunity to find the job in overseas. but, since the economic is not good at this moment, no country will open so much opportunity for foreigner. i would say may be the job opportunity is not as fast as people doing marketing, engineer or accounting. but, pls don't look down on people graduate from biotechnology cause they are a group of skills people who can be train in many sciences field. I have certain job offer too from vaccines,pattern,plant company, cancer. but just depend is it the field that i really want myself to be train. i am still looking for the field that i really want.
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QUOTE(Bravo Fashion Trends @ May 24 2010, 01:58 PM)
of course i do check it. It can be a good opportunity to find the job in overseas. but, since the economic is not good at this moment, no country will open so much opportunity for foreigner. i would say may be the job opportunity is not as fast as people doing marketing, engineer or accounting. but, pls don't look down on people graduate from biotechnology cause they are a group of skills people who can be train in many sciences field.  I have certain job offer too from vaccines,pattern,plant company, cancer. but just depend is it the field that i really want myself to be train. i am still looking for the field that i really want.
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Hi, sorry if I made you misunderstand. I am referring to cherlynIN's post:

"hey well i m the postgraduate of the biotech, so it is true that it damn hard to get a job in biotech relate field after those biotech postgraduate student graduate. I thought they say that our government are encourage the develop of biotech industry in m'sia? Frankly i m kinda of scared after c what u guy said"

I just wanna say it is a need to survey for the job market before you decide something, for example furthering your studies. There is no point in going to phd just because "most of my friends did it". And then got scared after realizing there are limited job offers.
I did life science because I love it, without checking out its job opportunities, job scope,.....etc. I regretted for not thinking thorough enough before I took my degree. But at the end of the day, I never regret taking my course because I found my passion and love in science. The dream of changing the world into a better place, environmental-wise or medical-wise, is still in us science graduates, no matter how stupid it sounds to others.

I think we all life science graduates should have more confidence in ourselves and all the knowledge we have, even if we have to do sales or pathology lab assistants to feed ourselves for the time being, we shouldn't let our dreams die. We should keep learning and updating ourselves, read journals and science news even if you've left the university, the passion is very important!
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i gt an offer fr a plant tissue culture company at penang. i agree tht da salary is nt high but sure gt increment after about 1 yr. effort and passion is da important ting if u wan to involve in biotech field. m'sia actually hav alot of biotech de company but due to racism then sum of the races won't able to have work til now.. u can check da biotechcorp de website.
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what company is that? Im thinking of working in penang also. Do i need plant tissue culture experience only can work or any biotech grad?
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to be honest most of the companies only employ malays
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to be honest most of the companies only employ malays
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u r wrong. I dont agree. If u say that regarding to gevernment then you are right. But private they employ anyone who is suitable
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u r wrong. I dont agree. If u say that regarding to gevernment then you are right. But private they employ anyone who is suitable
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hmm.. depends on da company.. but mostly hope to employ experience person in their company.. at least wat u did on ur final year project.. hmm.. yes.. most of da company wich da founder will try to employ according to their skin colour..
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Well because the entire biotech thing is by the government. All the companies included-GLCs. And most of them maintain a policy of 100% bumiputra. They hire only malays, and thats the truth. Try checking out the profiles of the companies in biotechcorp.

Lol even that website is almost dead with no updates whatsoever for some time. It shows how much biotech developed. From a "extremely hyped over field" to a 'dying field".

There are positions available for lab technicians and so on, but sad to say their requirements- Minimum SPM in science background. The degree is like hmm a waste then. For scientists positions---> minimum masters + experience or phd, and they are very specific as to which part of biotech they require.
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QUOTE(cutejams2004 @ May 24 2010, 08:47 PM)
Well because the entire biotech thing is by the government. All the companies included-GLCs. And most of them maintain a policy of 100% bumiputra. They hire only malays, and thats the truth. Try checking out the profiles of the companies in biotechcorp.

Lol even that website is almost dead with no updates whatsoever for some time. It shows how much biotech developed. From a "extremely hyped over field" to a 'dying field".

There are positions available for lab technicians and so on, but sad to say their requirements- Minimum SPM in science background. The degree is like hmm a waste then. For scientists positions---> minimum masters + experience or phd, and they are very specific as to which part of biotech they require.
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hmm.. u r right.. all of da biotech companies r glc linked.. but nt all r conquered by bumiputras.. there r still A FEW companies wich is nt owned by the malays.. if u continue til master o phd in biotech, i doubt u can a job in da malaysia market.. except becum a lecturer.. if u grad as a master o phd, u muz at least hav experience in the related field..

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how can u say

" if u continue til master o phd in biotech, i doubt u can a job in da malaysia market.. except becum a lecturer.. if u grad as a master o phd, u muz at least hav experience in the related field.."

there are examples where they require master or phd.. why cant get job?

when u are bachelor u complain cant get job becoz need master or phd.. now u say got master phd cant get job.. wat u trying to say? conclusion is u cant get job?
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QUOTE(Fenris Wolf @ May 24 2010, 09:30 PM)
how can u say

" if u continue til master o phd in biotech, i doubt u can a job in da malaysia market.. except becum a lecturer.. if u grad as a master o phd, u muz at least hav experience in the related field.."

there are examples where they require master or phd.. why cant get job?

when u are bachelor u complain cant get job becoz need master or phd.. now u say got master phd cant get job.. wat u trying to say? conclusion is u cant get job?
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wat i try to mention here is biotech de company require a more specific skills u hav like microbiology, molecular biology o plant tissue culture.. for master grad to enter a job in m'sia market, da company will look for a experience ppl rather thn u a fresh master grad..
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the work of doing your master and phd is the experience it self. Do u think the company can find experience ppl so easily in malaysia? If got also company willing take experience bachelor degree or fresh master/phd?
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good news people..!!

i just came back from a launching at iskandar...

they require at least 2000 biotechnologist by 2012!!!

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QUOTE(Fenris Wolf @ May 24 2010, 10:02 PM)
the work of doing your master and phd is the experience it self. Do u think the company can find experience ppl so easily in malaysia? If got also company willing take experience bachelor degree or fresh master/phd?
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by the way.. hope u take note tht study master o phd is nt an easy task.. gt a friend of mine doing ptc for master do nt complete it.. n sum of my local uni friends also take ard 3-5 yrs to complete it.. depends on your supervisor n ur own effort.. if gt.. da company in m'sia will hire with a experience want


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good news people..!!

i just came back from a launching at iskandar...

they require at least 2000 biotechnologist by 2012!!!
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r u a staff o u juz a visitor to da iskandar at johor?? do u surf da iskandar website n c wat race conquer the upper management at iskandar??

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 24 2010, 10:03 PM)
good news people..!!

i just came back from a launching at iskandar...

they require at least 2000 biotechnologist by 2012!!!
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any more convincing proof than just saying they need 2000 biotechnologist?
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@xavier
i am one of the exhibitors...so what has upper management gotta do with the number of biotechnologist required?

@fenris wolf
there is this region called the SiLC where they will be focusing on R & D in biotech work. 2000 is just a rough figure. one of the top people from khazanah told me...if they could not get 2000+ ppl to handle the plants/labs..they afraid the whole project might fall apart...

if u want black n white proof then i am sorry..no..

but i just want give some hope to biotech graduates....that all is not lost...=)
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Hi, sorry if I made you misunderstand. I am referring to cherlynIN's post:

"hey well i m the postgraduate of the biotech, so it is true that it damn hard to get a job in biotech relate field after those biotech postgraduate student graduate. I thought they say that our government are encourage the develop of biotech industry in m'sia? Frankly i m kinda of scared after c what u guy said"

I just wanna say it is a need to survey for the job market before you decide something, for example furthering your studies. There is no point in going to phd just because "most of my friends did it". And then got scared after realizing there are limited job offers.
I did life science because I love it, without checking out its job opportunities, job scope,.....etc. I regretted for not thinking thorough enough before I took my degree. But at the end of the day, I never regret taking my course because I found my passion and love in science. The dream of changing the world into a better place, environmental-wise or medical-wise, is still in us science graduates, no matter how stupid it sounds to others.

I think we all life science graduates should have more confidence in ourselves and all the knowledge we have, even if we have to do sales or pathology lab assistants to feed ourselves for the time being, we shouldn't let our dreams die. We should keep learning and updating ourselves, read journals and science news even if you've left the university, the passion is very important!
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Ummm u said it right, but i never regret with what the choice i had made and i never follow my friend path. All the time, i think that biotech are the one that always play the noble role in life science field. Even when sometime u don't even care what other think while other look at biotech as if like a crap, u still cont on ur dream. But u do scare when all other are ready to look at how u going to fail while u do really had all the passion and convince in doing all the hardwork u had work on all this time but in the end u find out the result going to be zero, frankly u do freak out.
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QUOTE(zstan @ May 25 2010, 12:09 AM)
@xavier
i am one of the exhibitors...so what has upper management gotta do with the number of biotechnologist required?

@fenris wolf
there is this region called the SiLC where they will be focusing on R & D in biotech work. 2000 is just a rough figure. one of the top people from khazanah told me...if they could not get 2000+ ppl to handle the plants/labs..they afraid the whole project might fall apart...

if u want black n white proof then i am sorry..no..

but i just want give some hope to biotech graduates....that all is not lost...=)
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ya.. it gt to do wif it becoz tht race of ppl onli juz say but no action have been done.. if nt, y m'sia still haven't develop in da biotech field?? y dey r many biotech grads still can't job n hav to switch field?? u mentioned 2000++ ppl, u say it was mentioned by top people fr khazanah rite?? thn wich race conquer the top management?? n u say no relate at all.. if no relate, i tink u also would nt knw da "2000++" biotechnologist.. for eg.. da government do say it nid alot of doctor in sarawak.. u knw y dey mention it?? dey wan to attract ppl to vote for them becoz dey are da one hav da capabilities to employ ppl.. last but not least, i hope wat u mention about da amount of biotechnologist is true and being rude for some phrases tht i mentioned juz nw becoz juz felt tired wif the government...
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QUOTE(cherlynIN @ May 25 2010, 03:32 AM)
Ummm u said it right, but i never regret with what the choice i had made and i never follow my friend path. All the time, i think that biotech are the one that always play the noble role in life science field. Even when sometime u don't even care what other think while other look at biotech as if like a crap, u still cont on ur  dream. But u do scare when all other are ready to look at how u going to fail while u do really had all the passion and convince in doing all the hardwork u had work on all this time but in the end u find out the result going to be zero, frankly u do freak out.
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I guess I can tell you how much I understand the feeling. My father kept hinting me to go for medicine or engineering since I finished STPM. Until the day I completed my honours project, he was still saying I was too ignorant and stubborn to go choose something so "useless". For 3 months I was depressed, I sent out nearly hundred of emails for job applications and got nothing, providing that I got my degree in Aus, it was even more stressful to have spend so much money and not getting a job. Now I am working, and my dad finally shuts up and stops worrying and let me do what I wanna do.

So the hard times won't last long, so don't worry, but stay alert with the job market all over the world. All the best.
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what is SiLC?
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what is SiLC?
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"Southern Industrial and Logistics Clusters (SiLC) - SiLC is a 1,372 acre (5.6 km²) industrial park with close proximity to two international airports and cargo hubs as well as four seaports both in Johor and Singapore is a value-adding advantage. As an international gateway, this key logistical factor adds soaring value to the business activities of industry players."
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wat i try to mention here is biotech de company require a more specific skills u hav like microbiology, molecular biology o plant tissue culture.. for master grad to enter a job in m'sia market, da company will look for a experience ppl rather thn u a fresh master grad..
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I agreed with what you say. It's really depend on what skills you gain during the project. but, what i have to say is that not all the biotech courses offered good final year projects for the student. depend on the grant and the university. but, i will still think that there is also a chance for fresh grad to get a job,provided that there are company who want to train you into that field. I would say these companies is hard to find. but just keep searching. Like what i said,even someone got the interview, doesn't mean that i got the offer. Unless,you really force by life, you have burden, than, you really have to grab up any job that offer to you.Most of the fresh grad,they simply enter any field, because they want moneys. But, i doesn't deny they are wrong, because those fields really can be earn alot compared to people who really want to be a scientist. i am still alright at the moment, and i cannot deny that i might follow their path if i really can't get what i want. JUst hope that i can be the lucky one to be chosen to train by company. The purpose i open this thread is to let Biotech student or fresh grad to be get prepared that what they will be facing after graduated. And hope that people who really lucky to got a job in science fields can give some advise,and experience for them as a guidelines.
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QUOTE(xaviereo @ May 25 2010, 07:43 AM)
ya.. it gt to do wif it becoz tht race of ppl onli juz say but no action have been done.. if nt, y m'sia still haven't develop in da biotech field?? y dey r many biotech grads still can't job n hav to switch field?? u mentioned 2000++ ppl, u say it was mentioned by top people fr khazanah rite?? thn wich race conquer the top management?? n u say no relate at all.. if no relate, i tink u also would nt knw da "2000++" biotechnologist.. for eg.. da government do say it nid alot of doctor in sarawak.. u knw y dey mention it?? dey wan to attract ppl to vote for them becoz dey are da one hav da capabilities to employ ppl.. last but not least, i hope wat u mention about da amount of biotechnologist is true and being rude for some phrases tht i mentioned juz nw becoz juz felt tired wif the government...
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because malaysia still don have the necessary labs and so on to start with...

and u say many...can give some rough figures?...cause if biotechnologist compared with doctors....its still less..correct me if i am wrong.. laugh.gif

u can't compare the problem with biotech and doc la bro..

in sarawak..nobody wants to go there cause there so ulu(although the iskandar region also in the middle of no where)...and there are already plenty of jobs for doctors in semenanjung...so why bother going there?

for biotech is diff..whole malaysia every corner also not enough biotech ppl...biotech graduates cannot find good jobs..most of them go to fields unrelated to biotech..for doctor..no matter how..most of the time u still got job to do...

but if u ask me what exactly are those 2000+ going to do at iskandar..i really can't answer u la..

in general would be more research...but in a more suitable environment and hpefully, better pay.
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because malaysia still don have the necessary labs and so on to start with...

and u say many...can give some rough figures?...cause if biotechnologist compared with doctors....its still less..correct me if i am wrong.. laugh.gif

u can't compare the problem with biotech and doc la bro..

in sarawak..nobody wants to go there cause there so ulu(although the iskandar region also in the middle of no where)...and there are already plenty of jobs for doctors in semenanjung...so why bother going there?

for biotech is diff..whole malaysia every corner also not enough biotech ppl...biotech graduates cannot find good jobs..most of them go to fields unrelated to biotech..for doctor..no matter how..most of the time u still got job to do...

but if u ask me what exactly are those 2000+ going to do at iskandar..i really can't answer u la..

in general would be more research...but in a more suitable environment and hpefully, better pay.
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u can post a thread ask hw many ppl r nw doing biotech related jobs after their studies.. smile.gif but for wat i knw, da amount of ppl tht do relate wif biotech (exclude sales) r much lesser thn doctor.. a fresh grad doctor can go housemanship for their training in diff department n thn onli dey choose wat dey wan to specialize.. wich is diff fr a grad fr biotech..


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I agreed with what you say. It's really depend on what skills you gain during the project. but, what i have to say is that not all the biotech courses offered good final year projects for the student. depend on the grant and the university. but, i will still think that there is also a chance for fresh grad to get a job,provided that there are company who want to train you into that field. I would say these companies is hard to find. but just keep searching. Like what i said,even someone got the interview, doesn't mean that i got the offer. Unless,you really force by life, you have burden, than, you really have to grab up any job that offer to you.Most of the fresh grad,they simply enter any field, because they want moneys. But, i doesn't deny they are wrong, because those fields really can be earn alot compared to people who really want to be a scientist. i am still alright at the moment, and i cannot deny that i might follow their path if i really can't get what i want. JUst hope that i can be the lucky one to be chosen to train by company. The purpose i open this thread is to let Biotech student or fresh grad to be get prepared that what they will be facing after graduated. And hope that people who  really lucky to got a job in science fields can give some advise,and experience for them as a guidelines.
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ya u r definitely rite... whn i grad tht time at da end of 2008.. tht time u can c da vacancy for biotech relate (include chemistry, food tech n etc) at jobstreet r few onli.. i hav to make a temporary decision by working at engineering company.. after accumulate some money in my saving, thn i onli quit da job.. i wait til 3 months ++ until i found my dis new job.. i hope wat sztan said about da iskandar will b true..


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I guess I can tell you how much I understand the feeling. My father kept hinting me to go for medicine or engineering since I finished STPM. Until the day I completed my honours project, he was still saying I was too ignorant and stubborn to go choose something so "useless". For 3 months I was depressed, I sent out nearly hundred of emails for job applications and got nothing, providing that I got my degree in Aus, it was even more stressful to have spend so much money and not getting a job.  Now I am working, and my dad finally shuts up and stops worrying and let me do what I wanna do.

So the hard times won't last long, so don't worry, but stay alert with the job market all over the world. All the best.
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no u r nt useless.. u juz study on wat u interested.. i hope in da near future da science field market will generate more income to our country n hopefully da salary for science field related post will increase as well.. as i mentioned earlier, passion n effort r two important elements whn u r working..

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to be honest, iskandar project doesnt look to bright either. Another gimmick by the gov to boost the economy temporarily.
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to be honest, iskandar project doesnt look to bright either. Another gimmick by the gov to boost the economy temporarily.
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haha..can't blame u...

u didn't see the actual thing n those lands with ur own eyes....


but i am a bit worried though...

stock market is not looking good..............................................
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to be honest, iskandar project doesnt look to bright either. Another gimmick by the gov to boost the economy temporarily.
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ya.. i agree wif u.. da government r saying indah khabar dari rupa onli.. say onli.. but i reali hope tht da government will tink carefully.. say wan to increase ppl salary but in da same time.. increase fuel n current.. so gt any diff.. da government reali funny..
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they dont need to increase salary, they need to reduce the prices of things out there. And that can only be done by stabilizing the economy back. Else, increasing the salary would be useless if the prices of goods keep increasing as well.
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they dont need to increase salary, they need to reduce the prices of things out there. And that can only be done by stabilizing the economy back. Else, increasing the salary would be useless if the prices of goods keep increasing as well.
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Can anyone in biotech who is currently doing biotech-related jobs tell what really a company wants. A fren of mine did bioinformatics even till master. he can programme very-very well. he got many interviews but still they say he lack skills. what skill actually? still he could not get jobs in biotech related company.

Another fren got so frustrated searched a job in Europe and now working in Germany receiving 3.5k EURO. He was a fresh graduate with no exp from UKM (who says local grads got no class).
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Can anyone in biotech who is currently doing biotech-related jobs tell what really a company wants. A fren of mine did bioinformatics even till master. he can programme very-very well. he got many interviews but still they say he lack skills. what skill actually? still he could not get jobs in biotech related company.

Another fren got so frustrated searched a job in Europe and now working in Germany receiving 3.5k EURO. He was a fresh graduate with no exp from UKM (who says local grads got no class).
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work at germany?? wah.. nt bad ma.. ermm.. i biotech also but specialize at plant tissue culture, will start work at mnc (japanese plant tissue culture company) at sg jawi.. bioinfo.. i tink if nt mistaken, kl gt two companies onli.. one is MGRC another i forgot da name ady.. hmm.. a friend of mine also work at MGRC.. during interview, my friend told me tht gt iq quiz de.. i dun knw wat is ur friend company name??
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biotech grad here also, never had a high pay job until now.
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lower than 2k i heard the salary
is it true?
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work at germany?? wah.. nt bad ma.. ermm.. i biotech also but specialize at plant tissue culture, will start work at mnc (japanese plant tissue culture company) at sg jawi.. bioinfo.. i tink if nt mistaken, kl gt two companies onli.. one is MGRC another i forgot da name ady.. hmm.. a friend of mine also work at MGRC.. during interview, my friend told me tht gt iq quiz de.. i dun knw wat is ur friend company name??
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sg jawi in penang u mean? they have plant tissue culture company? oh i never knew......hmm. There r more bioinfo companies in msia than u think smile.gif Many really don't advertise even they have vacancies, so research about jobs are really needed.

Regarding what a biotech company wants....I once went to interview in a biotech company in penang, they are producing antibodies and other secondary proteins. They need people with experience in cloning. But the pay is too low with 1 year contract (under government program), so I turned it down even it is near to my house. N now im in kl! For bioinfo, hmm.....programming not necessarily, u always pick up over time. But I think the most important thing is the biology background. Cell biology, biochemistry, genetics or microbiology-basics will be useful.

Your friend working in mgrc? hmm, i might know him/her then smile.gif yes, iq test or logic test included.

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sg jawi in penang u mean? they have plant tissue culture company? oh i never knew......hmm. There r more bioinfo companies in msia than u think smile.gif Many really don't advertise even they have vacancies, so research about jobs are really needed.

Regarding what a biotech company wants....I once went to interview in a biotech company in penang, they are producing antibodies and other secondary proteins. They need people with experience in cloning. But the pay is too low with 1 year contract (under government program), so I turned it down even it is near to my house. N now im in kl! For bioinfo, hmm.....programming not necessarily, u always pick up over time. But I think the most important thing is the biology background. Cell biology, biochemistry, genetics or microbiology-basics will be useful.

Your friend working in mgrc? hmm, i might know him/her then smile.gif yes, iq test or logic test included.
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da company u mentioned in penang izzit at penang science park de us company?? rach, wich company r u working at kl?? btw, u mentioned low salary ah?? izzit below 2k?? if like tht, thn i can hav zero income ady?? n yes it is da sg jawi at penang mainland.. mine new job salary is near reach 2k..

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da company u mentioned in penang izzit at penang science park de us company?? rach, wich company r u working at kl?? btw, u mentioned low salary ah?? izzit below 2k?? if like tht, thn i can hav zero income ady??  n yes it is da sg jawi at penang mainland.. mine new job salary is near reach 2k..
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Is in penang biotech park, bukit minyak. That job is quite interesting too, because it involves protocol designing too, not only routine lab work. The contract is under government's plan, 1500 for 1 year, can't leave unless u reach 12 months. So, i tried my luck in KL. Have to be far from home thats the only drawback. Other than that, I love my current job biggrin.gif

There is another company in Kulim. Pay not bad too. Is a US company if im not wrong.

Your pay should be not too bad, its ok to start with lower pay, experience is more worthy, right? So what your job scope covers? You love it?

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Is in penang biotech park, bukit minyak. That job is quite interesting too, because it involves protocol designing too, not only routine lab work. The contract is under government's plan, 1500 for 1 year, can't leave unless u reach 12 months. So, i tried my luck in KL. Have to be far from home thats the only drawback. Other than that, I love my current job biggrin.gif

There is another company in Kulim. Pay not bad too. Is a US company if im not wrong.

Your pay should be not too bad, its ok to start with lower pay, experience is more worthy, right? So what your job scope covers? You love it?
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hmm.. actually wat i did for my final year project is relate wif plant tissue culture de.. so i hav the interest in tht field.. wat is my job scope ah?? hmm.. i still nt sure becoz it is my new job.. haven't start yet.. will start work on 1st of june.. for wat i knw during interview is prepare medium, culture n doing r&d if the company hav profit.. da company produce mericlones for orchids n sum ornamental plants.. so can i knw wat is ur current job scope?? o u also work in MGRC?? btw, previously i work in engineering field de.. after hav sum savings, thn i quit da job n wait for 3 months ++ be4 secure dis ptc job.. haha..
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hmm.. actually wat i did for my final year project is relate wif plant tissue culture de.. so i hav the interest in tht field.. wat is my job scope ah?? hmm.. i still nt sure becoz it is my new job.. haven't start yet.. will start work on 1st of june.. for wat i knw during interview is prepare medium, culture n doing r&d if the company hav profit.. da company produce mericlones for orchids n sum ornamental plants.. so can i knw wat is ur current job scope?? o u also work in MGRC?? btw, previously i work in engineering field de.. after hav sum savings, thn i quit da job n wait for 3 months ++ be4 secure dis ptc job.. haha..
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Oh wow, u insisted to be in biotech field then? bravo, good for u, our field needs more people like you.
I am a bioinformatician. my job scope includes all the bioinformatics stuff but mainly in genomic area only (not touching on proteomic currently), like analyzing sequenced data, optimizing pipeline, ..... etc. but the main thing im doing now is learning programming script, because I had no experience in this at all during my uni days.
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Oh wow, u insisted to be in biotech field then? bravo, good for u, our field needs more people like you.
I am a bioinformatician. my job scope includes all the bioinformatics stuff but mainly in genomic area only (not touching on proteomic currently), like analyzing sequenced data, optimizing pipeline, ..... etc. but the main thing im doing now is learning programming script, because I had no experience in this at all during my uni days.
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hmm.. nw i m wondering if u work at MGRC, thn ur result suld b excellent n also during da iq / logic test.. becoz MGRC is veli hard to enter want.. haha.. becoz tht of friend is a first class degree for biotech.. n da pay is nt bad among all biotech companies n also da medical underwriter.. haha.. btw.. da benefit at MGRC also nt bad.. haiz.. too bad tht i can't enter.. haha..


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hmm.. nw i m wondering if u work at MGRC, thn ur result suld b excellent n also during da iq / logic test.. becoz MGRC is veli hard to enter want.. haha.. becoz tht of friend is a first class degree for biotech.. n da pay is nt bad among all biotech companies n also da medical underwriter.. haha.. btw.. da benefit at MGRC also nt bad.. haiz.. too bad tht i can't enter.. haha..
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ya.. i would like to work at da job i passion for.. hmm.. of coz salary also play an important role in it.. n thn da company background.. if too low, i also can't survive.. haha.. thn u rach, u work for hw long ady as a bioinfomatician?? u grad fr wich uni?? biotech also??

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there is a company called aar in semenyih also wan employ ppl
3 k. go and have a look


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there is a company called aar in semenyih also wan employ ppl
3 k. go and have a look


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hmm.. my result nt reali tht excellent.. plus i do nt hav any experience.. so at da moment, i tink i won't apply yet.. yes biotech grad can work as bioinfo.. even for computer science also can work as bioinfo.. even engineering background also.. haha.. i grad fr biotech but also can at engineering post.. fr assistant engineer to production engineer.. y can't?? if u hav da will, u sure will find da way..

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hmm.. nw i m wondering if u work at MGRC, thn ur result suld b excellent n also during da iq / logic test.. becoz MGRC is veli hard to enter want.. haha.. becoz tht of friend is a first class degree for biotech.. n da pay is nt bad among all biotech companies n also da medical underwriter.. haha.. btw.. da benefit at MGRC also nt bad.. haiz.. too bad tht i can't enter.. haha..


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ya.. i would like to work at da job i passion for.. hmm.. of coz salary also play an important role in it.. n thn da company background.. if too low, i also can't survive.. haha.. thn u rach, u work for hw long ady as a bioinfomatician?? u grad fr wich uni?? biotech also??
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Aha, I guess I know who is your friend tongue.gif
Medical underwriter needs to be experienced in writing scientific or medical articles right? I don't realize that getting in MGRC is tough, I have no friends applying to this company too, but MGRC do need more staffs, did you try your luck?
I graduated in Uni of Adelaide, degree in biotech, honours in biochemistry.
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Aha, I guess I know who is your friend  tongue.gif
Medical underwriter needs to be experienced in writing scientific or medical articles right? I don't realize that getting in MGRC is tough, I have no friends applying to this company too, but MGRC do need more staffs, did you try your luck?
I graduated in Uni of Adelaide, degree in biotech, honours in biochemistry.
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huh?? u can guess?? ru sure of it?? o u wan to play a fool of me.. hmm.. nid many staffs?? no wo.. for wat i heard fr my friend, most of da staffs r bumiputeras n sum of them even r relatives.. swt.. dun knw eh.. i gt send my resume to them be4.. haha.. mayb my result do nt satisfy da upper management..
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i saw overseas need many biotech ppl
but the requirements is phd or master

so actually biotech not that bad is it?
y u all don wan further your studies
maybe can become lecturer
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i saw overseas  need many biotech ppl
but the requirements is phd or master

so actually biotech not that bad is it?
y u all don wan further your studies
maybe can become lecturer
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hmm.. u tink da path to obtain a master o phd easy?? depends u under wich supervisor.. if ur supervisor kind n gud, may u juz nid 1.5-2 yrs to finish ur master.. for da worse case, it takes even 5 yrs n sum of my friend also quit it half way through.. they r black n white whn u enroll to master.. like da duration of ur project nid to be completed, if nt, da fund o expanses of ur project u nid to bear it urself.. in a nutshell, it is quite a risky path among all diff fields of postgraduate studies..

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QUOTE(xaviereo @ May 27 2010, 02:16 PM)
huh?? u can guess?? ru sure of it?? o u wan to play a fool of me.. hmm.. nid many staffs?? no wo.. for wat i heard fr my friend, most of da staffs r bumiputeras n sum of them even r relatives.. swt.. dun knw eh.. i gt send my resume to them be4.. haha.. mayb my result do nt satisfy da upper management..
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Yes is a guy right. Not playing la.
Hmm....the ratio of race here is quite balance, its a mix. MGRC has many subsidiaries, the composition of race is slightly different for each subsidiary.
Good luck in your new job then smile.gif
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Yes is a guy right. Not playing la.
Hmm....the ratio of race here is quite balance, its a mix. MGRC has many subsidiaries, the composition of race is slightly different for each subsidiary.
Good luck in your new job then smile.gif
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oo.. okok.. i try ask my friend n c whether he knw u o nt.. haha.. i knw it is a mix.. hmm.. mayb next time i will try to send my resume to MGRC.. i won't give up so easily in order to achieve my dream.. hmm.. if nt mistaken ur name is racheal am i rite?? nice to meet u by the way..
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QUOTE(happy_pink @ May 27 2010, 02:18 PM)
i saw overseas  need many biotech ppl
but the requirements is phd or master

so actually biotech not that bad is it?
y u all don wan further your studies
maybe can become lecturer
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Well, be lecturer is not a bad choice. Even degree graduates can be lecturer nowadays, depending on universities.
Further studies take a long way, u have to be sure u want to commit and spend time and money and go down the research path, before u can take phd. I thought of phd last year, but I cant see myself in the research path forever yet, I prefer to have some working experience earn some money. Being a poor scientist is a very tough life.
There are a lot of things to consider. One problem with malaysians is that we have too much of misconceptions and wrong mindsets. We think being a lecturer/doctor/lawyer/engineer is awesome, but those terms are so general. Doctor, what kind of doctor, ethical doctor or money-oriented doctor? We generalize and group people according to their career, which doesnt make sense. One person can be brilliant and wise but lack a bit of luck, or the other way round. (ok maybe a bit off topic here...sorry)


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oo.. okok.. i try ask my friend n c whether he knw u o nt.. haha.. i knw it is a mix.. hmm.. mayb next time i will try to send my resume to MGRC.. i won't give up so easily in order to achieve my dream.. hmm.. if nt mistaken ur name is racheal am i rite?? nice to meet u by the way..
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Dont ask la!! keep it this way okie blush.gif

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Well, be lecturer is not a bad choice. Even degree graduates can be lecturer nowadays, depending on universities.
Further studies take a long way, u have to be sure u want to commit and spend time and money and go down the research path, before u can take phd. I thought of phd last year, but I cant see myself in the research path forever yet, I prefer to have some working experience earn some money. Being a poor scientist is a very tough life.
There are a lot of things to consider. One problem with malaysians is that we have too much of misconceptions and wrong mindsets. We think being a lecturer/doctor/lawyer/engineer is awesome, but those terms are so general. Doctor, what kind of doctor, ethical doctor or money-oriented doctor? We generalize and group people according to their career, which doesnt make sense. One person can be brilliant and wise but lack a bit of luck, or the other way round. (ok maybe a bit off topic here...sorry)


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Dont ask la!! keep it this way okie   blush.gif
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wah.. u reply so fast.. ok la.. i won't ask.. smile.gif


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sg jawi in penang u mean? they have plant tissue culture company? oh i never knew......hmm. There r more bioinfo companies in msia than u think smile.gif Many really don't advertise even they have vacancies, so research about jobs are really needed.

Regarding what a biotech company wants....I once went to interview in a biotech company in penang, they are producing antibodies and other secondary proteins. They need people with experience in cloning. But the pay is too low with 1 year contract (under government program), so I turned it down even it is near to my house. N now im in kl! For bioinfo, hmm.....programming not necessarily, u always pick up over time. But I think the most important thing is the biology background. Cell biology, biochemistry, genetics or microbiology-basics will be useful.

Your friend working in mgrc? hmm, i might know him/her then smile.gif yes, iq test or logic test included.
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hmm.. can i ask u one ting, at sg jawi.. izzit veli hard to find house to rent??

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Well, after browsing through all the comments here, i would say MOST people hold a bleak perspective towards Biotech fields.

I don't know about the real biotech company out there and their needs of any specialised skills but i can reassure you that as long as you have the right and proper lab skills, u r eligible to enter the fields.

Lab skills are what most people tend to neglect. they often think that the theory they learn in the book such as Biotech algae, plants, animals, proteins etc would actually be what they interested in only without even cares for their lab practical skills. take for an exp, during my lab session , my biocell lecturer ask us on why we should place the bacteria culture upside down instead of putting it upright? well, many seems to be have no response, and guess what, NONE of them ever ask WHY is that so.
At the end of the lecture, my lecturer just ask us to go back to look for the answer.

Thus, from this scenario, u could easily sense that the attitudes is what matter the most when it comes to ASKING! As a science student we should never ever forget the Inquisitive attitudes. that is we have to be observant and curious and ask more than what the lecturers could answer us.

Perhaps, they lack of that!~

I believe Biotech would be a very emerging and challenging field for the years to come . So fellow friends out there, do equipped yourself with the neccessary knowledege and skill to prepare urself to this challenging fields ~



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hmm.. u tink da path to obtain a master o phd easy?? depends u under wich supervisor.. if ur supervisor kind n gud, may u juz nid 1.5-2 yrs to finish ur master.. for da worse case, it takes even 5 yrs n sum of my friend also quit it half way through.. they r black n white whn u enroll to master.. like da duration of ur project nid to be completed, if nt, da fund o expanses of ur project u nid to bear it urself.. in a nutshell, it is quite a risky path among all diff fields of postgraduate studies..
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wan to become a successful scientist sure have to sacrifice something
if so easy many also can enter
then malysia will be full of phd
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well
wan to become a successful scientist sure have to sacrifice something
if so easy many also can enter
then malysia will be full of phd
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hope wat u sacrifice for is worth it.. n as i said, if u hav da will, u hav da way... n one more ting, normal grade de lecturer also won't hav tht high salary unless u r ady at associate professor n higher level..


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there is a company called aar in semenyih also wan employ ppl
3 k. go and have a look


Added on May 27, 2010, 1:22 pmbiotech graduates can work as bioinfo?
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by the way, da aar company is a nt bad company after i c thru da website.. so r u a worker fr there o u r still study degree student??

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@OMG!
I agree with you. The spirit of curiosity and urge to find out is too low. (Not only in science, generally, msians grew up to be ignorant)
To add, not only in lab experiments, many science students do not know the real biotech society, they do not know whats the most recent journal in their field, they do not know new upcoming techniques, they do not even bother to find out the reason of doing something. Text books are forever outdated. I don't know how the education system in public universities work, but reading journals is really how u get in touch with the real science. Same goes to the job market. (and they complain about being jobless, sigh)

@xaviereo
I don't think its hard. there are heaps of housing areas there. by the way u have not get accomodation yet? it'll be june soon!

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@OMG!
I agree with you. The spirit of curiosity and urge to find out is too low. (Not only in science, generally, msians grew up to be ignorant)
To add, not only in lab experiments, many science students do not know the real biotech society, they do not know whats the most recent journal in their field, they do not know new upcoming techniques, they do not even bother to find out the reason of doing something. Text books are forever outdated. I don't know how the education system in public universities work, but reading journals is really how u get in touch with the real science. Same goes to the job market. (and they complain about being jobless, sigh)

@xaviereo
I don't think its hard. there are heaps of housing areas there. by the way u have not get accomodation yet? it'll be june soon!
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hmm.. haiyo.. nt every people afford to access to da journal site to do readings.. normally dey use it during their fyp, master n so on.. google search is da best n yahoo answers (but lately gt alot of spammer thr).. bbc website lo.. by the way, thr will b an exhibition in klcc earlier of june ..http://www.faconex.com/..

for my accommodation, i actually found one at nibong tebal.. juz ask for future rental.. in case anyting happen.. sediakan payung sebelum hujan.. hehe..
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QUOTE(xaviereo @ May 27 2010, 04:06 PM)
hmm.. haiyo.. nt every people afford to access to da journal site to do readings.. normally dey use it during their fyp, master n so on.. google search is da best n yahoo answers (but lately gt alot of spammer thr).. bbc website lo.. by the way, thr will b an exhibition in klcc earlier of june ..http://www.faconex.com/..

for my accommodation, i actually found one at nibong tebal.. juz ask for future rental.. in case anyting happen.. sediakan payung sebelum hujan.. hehe..
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i understand about the accessibility of journals nowadays (thats another issue which pisses me off), but there are still many websites out there regarding science news, we just have to stay interested in this field to keep up the fast developing pace, else we will be outdated very soon! going to exhibitions and talks is another great way too.
hmm, im not too sure about renting a place in sg jawi, but i doubt that its tough. (u r so lucky to get to work in penang, i love penang!!! biggrin.gif )
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i understand about the accessibility of journals nowadays (thats another issue which pisses me off), but there are still many websites out there regarding science news, we just have to stay interested in this field to keep up the fast developing pace, else we will be outdated very soon! going to exhibitions and talks is another great way too.
hmm, im not too sure about renting a place in sg jawi, but i doubt that its tough. (u r so lucky to get to work in penang, i love penang!!! biggrin.gif )
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hmm.. actually penang hav 3 ptc companies.. n u can c yesterday the star newspaper business section 2nd page, thr will b alot of us companies will expand o establish at pg.. pharmaceutical de companies.. hmm.. penang science park also hav like transgenix and usa de alpha biologics if nt mistaken.. i gt applied both place be4.. but din get.. sigh.. hmm.. i admit tht standard living of kl veli high in terms of rental.. food wise, thr r places tht quite cheap de in kl (midvalley)..
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QUOTE(xaviereo @ May 27 2010, 02:49 PM)
hope wat u sacrifice for is worth it.. n as i said, if u hav da will, u hav da way... n one more ting, normal grade de lecturer also won't hav tht high salary unless u r ady at associate professor n higher level..


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by the way, da aar company is a nt bad company after i c thru da website.. so r u a worker fr there o u r still study degree student??
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i am going to study biotech
so juv come here to ask for some opinions
btw
biotech really tat bad?
cant get job and salary only 1.5k?

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hmm.. actually penang hav 3 ptc companies.. n u can c yesterday the star newspaper business section 2nd page, thr will b alot of us companies will expand o establish at pg..  pharmaceutical de companies.. hmm.. penang science park also hav like transgenix and usa de alpha biologics if nt mistaken.. i gt applied both place be4.. but din get.. sigh.. hmm.. i admit tht standard living of kl veli high in terms of rental.. food wise, thr r places tht quite cheap de in kl (midvalley)..
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I been to alpha biologics for interview. thats the company i mentioned just now 1500 1 yr contract. Nevermind, Im just whining because I just miss penang, kl is just....not a great city (for me).
At least I love my current job, and my aim is to gain experience, there is no big problem.Tell us about your job once you've started working ok?
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i am going to study biotech
so juv come here to ask for some opinions
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biotech really tat bad?
cant get job and salary only 1.5k?
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haiyo.. nt reali tht bad da situation.. as i say.. if u hav da will, u hav da way.. u muz hav passion n effort whn u step into biotech.. dun becoz of money thn u work.. tell u sumting, be4 i quit my engineering job, i used to hav average 2.5k a month for my salary (da first few months, i was an assistant engineer, thn end of last year, boss hav increase my grade into production engineer).. but becoz i like biotech, thn i quit n find jobs again.. i tink next time whn u grad, there will b lot of opportunities.. plz.. next time whn step into worklife, dun demand if u a fresh grad especially biotech.. unless u hav a excellent results in ur degree.. work hard.. thn sure ur boss will c it n increase ur salary..
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QUOTE(rach_ @ May 27 2010, 03:31 PM)
I been to alpha biologics for interview. thats the company i mentioned just now 1500 1 yr contract. Nevermind, Im just whining because I just miss penang, kl is just....not a great city (for me).
At least I love my current job, and my aim is to gain experience, there is no big problem.Tell us about your job once you've started working ok?
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that would be after 4 years haha

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that would be after 4 years haha
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er.....im replying xaviereo....he/she is starting work in june.
Its good that u did research before u decide what course to take. research more, ask more, all the best
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I been to alpha biologics for interview. thats the company i mentioned just now 1500 1 yr contract. Nevermind, Im just whining because I just miss penang, kl is just....not a great city (for me).
At least I love my current job, and my aim is to gain experience, there is no big problem.Tell us about your job once you've started working ok?
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oo.. icic.. har.. alpha biologics offer so low nia ah?? hmm.. okok.. i will share wif u de.. haha..
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haiyo.. nt reali tht bad da situation.. as i say.. if u hav da will, u hav da way.. u muz hav passion n effort whn u step into biotech.. dun becoz of money thn u work.. tell u sumting, be4 i quit my engineering job, i used to hav average 2.5k a month for my salary (da first few months, i was an assistant engineer, thn end of last year, boss hav increase my grade into production engineer).. but becoz i like biotech, thn i quit n find jobs again.. i tink next time whn u grad, there will b lot of opportunities.. plz.. next time whn step into worklife, dun demand if u a fresh grad especially biotech.. unless u hav a excellent results in ur degree.. work hard.. thn sure ur boss will c it n increase ur salary..
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ok lo
now juv need to study hard for my degree
haha
thanks
any new info pls tell me
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ok lo
now juv need to study hard for my degree
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u r referring to me o other ppl to tell u?? haha...
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u r referring to me o other ppl to tell u?? haha...
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about the job or extra knowledge
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wow.. serious scientists here laugh.gif

By the way what is MGRC? never heard of that ame before. The only big companies in science i know currently is SIME Darby doing plantation stuff, IOI and a company from genting group forgot the name. All mostly dealing with plants. sad.gif

What the hell.. why all plants.. i not plant expert
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wow.. serious scientists here laugh.gif

By the way what is MGRC? never heard of that ame before. The only big companies in science i know currently is SIME Darby doing plantation stuff, IOI and a company from genting group forgot the name. All mostly dealing with plants. sad.gif

What the hell.. why all plants.. i not plant expert
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wat is MGRC>> good question.. search google lo.. becoz i also dun knw n i do nt work thr.. u go search biotechcorp website thn u will knw wat izzit.. thn u r wat expert?? u specialize in wich field??
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there are still some of them: IOI, Gutrie, KLK.

google up~~
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wat is MGRC>> good question.. search google lo.. becoz i also dun knw n i do nt work thr.. u go search biotechcorp website thn u will knw wat izzit.. thn u r wat expert?? u specialize in wich field??
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Did molecular biology during undergrad FYP, then working time do animal science then now masters biochemistry.. I am expert in nothing sad.gif
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Did molecular biology during undergrad FYP, then working time do animal science then now masters biochemistry.. I am expert in nothing sad.gif
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master?? u did master o u specialize in biochem in ur working?? whr u work?? haiyo.. me also no expert la.. if i expert, i nw sitting chief research director..
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I work for around 1 yr before getting scholarship for my masters. So now still working on masters degree sad.gif
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I work for around 1 yr before getting scholarship for my masters. So now still working on masters degree sad.gif
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wah.. nt bad ma.. ada scholarship.. u sure score well.. hmm.. u can becum a lecturer lo.. o find other jobs tht relate wif wat u do..
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Not really score well.. Im just an average student didnt get first class or wat.

Become lecturer need phd, i dont know if i want to continue phd. Im in dilemma now whether i should stop at masters or continue.

Going for phd is not easy and i need spend 3 more yrs sad.gif

Problem dunno masters will have future in malaysia or not. Sometimes i feel like masters and degree have not much difference.
AAA.. susah make decision la
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Not really score well.. Im just an average student didnt get first class or wat.

Become lecturer need phd, i dont know if i want to continue phd. Im in dilemma now whether i should stop at masters or continue.

Going for phd is not easy and i need spend 3 more yrs sad.gif

Problem dunno masters will have future in malaysia or not. Sometimes i feel like masters and degree have not much difference.
AAA.. susah make decision la
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haiyo.. master ady can becum lecturer liao la.. juz da grade is nt associate professor.. for professor, nid to take phd lo.. y difficult?? thn y last time u wan study master n nt continue ur work?? be firm wif ur decision..
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continue masters can go japan. My main focus is experience japan and not the masters lolololololo and also the money of course..

If masters can become lecturer but remain stagnant cant promote because no phd then will be stuck for life sad.gif
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continue  masters can go japan. My main focus is experience japan and not the masters lolololololo and also the money of course..

If masters can become lecturer but remain stagnant cant promote because no phd then will be stuck for life sad.gif
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sweat.. juz becoz of japan thn u study masters.. thn i no words to say thn,,,,
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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 27 2010, 10:45 PM)
Not really score well.. Im just an average student didnt get first class or wat.

Become lecturer need phd, i dont know if i want to continue phd. Im in dilemma now whether i should stop at masters or continue.

Going for phd is not easy and i need spend 3 more yrs sad.gif

Problem dunno masters will have future in malaysia or not. Sometimes i feel like masters and degree have not much difference.
AAA.. susah make decision la
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Correction: at least 3 years...and it's near impossible to grad in 3 years for Bio-related PhD...you'll finish your labwork in 3 years if you're lucky enough..
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Correction: at least 3 years...and it's near impossible to grad in 3 years for Bio-related PhD...you'll finish your labwork in 3 years if you're lucky enough..
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yes 3 yrs. Thats why i have doubt whether to continue or not sad.gif

hope someone will shed the light on me... if masters if good enuff i really 1 stop and start working liao..
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yes 3 yrs. Thats why i have doubt whether to continue or not sad.gif

hope someone will shed the light on me... if masters if good enuff i really 1 stop and start working liao..
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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 27 2010, 11:06 PM)
yes 3 yrs. Thats why i have doubt whether to continue or not sad.gif

hope someone will shed the light on me... if masters if good enuff i really 1 stop and start working liao..
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ya masters research. Got such thing as masters no need research in this field? if got i oso 1 liao. study 1 yr can get master tongue.gif
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ya masters research. Got such thing as masters no need research in this field? if got i oso 1 liao. study 1 yr can get master tongue.gif
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yalo.. in this field masters/phd without research is not recognise by anyone.. even employer will doubt u if u say finish masters 1 yr. thats what my ex employet did.. a candidate finidh masters in 1 yr and he know its a fake.. the masters degreee in the end didnt carry any merit to the applicant
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yalo.. in this field masters/phd without research is not recognise by anyone.. even employer will doubt u if u say finish masters 1 yr. thats what my ex employet did.. a candidate finidh masters in 1 yr and he know its a fake.. the masters degreee in the end didnt carry any merit to the applicant
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yalo.. in this field masters/phd without research is not recognise by anyone.. even employer will doubt u if u say finish masters 1 yr. thats what my ex employet did.. a candidate finidh masters in 1 yr and he know its a fake.. the masters degreee in the end didnt carry any merit to the applicant
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Well..it's a different route for those without 1st class or 2nd upper class honours (not malaysian degree) can opt for masters in coursework en route to PhD...
those who got 1st class and 2nd upper class honours don't have to go through Masters..
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bachelor jump to phd is only malasia system.. i oso jealous the ppl who can jump.. not fair la.. i work 2 yrs so hard to get masters only can phd u straight jump mad.gif
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bachelor jump to phd is only malasia system.. i oso jealous the ppl who can jump.. not fair la.. i work 2 yrs so hard to get masters only can phd u straight jump mad.gif
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Australia also adopt such system...like i said their system is 3 years BSc + 1 year Honours where the final honours years is optional and only for elites..after that you could apply for PhD straight provided you have 1st class/ 2nd upper honours..

For Malaysian system, you have 2 ways to do so...1st class honours -> PhD
and non-1st class -> MSc (fulfil all of the objectives in 2 sems) -> convert to PhD with further study..

Of course, for option 2, you need to present your MSc findings and propose what you plan to do after that before the panel approves the conversion..

US would take a longer time...3 yrs Masters, 5 yrs PhD...
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bachelor jump to phd is only malasia system.. i oso jealous the ppl who can jump.. not fair la.. i work 2 yrs so hard to get masters only can phd u straight jump mad.gif
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wat is omnituofo? means goood or bad?
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wat is omnituofo? means goood or bad?
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by the way, out of curiosity, what biochemistry research are you doing for your Masters?
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oic.. omnitofo..

i not bioorganic chemistry... product isolation and identificaton something like dat la.. i oso noob chemistry 1 cuz no basic
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oic.. omnitofo..

i not bioorganic chemistry... product isolation and identificaton something like dat la.. i oso noob chemistry 1 cuz no basic
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What is actually the difference between BSc with Honuors or that without it?

I did my BSc without the word honuors, deos that man i would not be recognised by most university?
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What is actually the difference between BSc with Honuors or that without it?

I did my BSc without the word honuors, deos that man i would not be recognised by most university?
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In malaysia, BSc with honours means that your will have a final year project which would result in a production of a dissertation (mini thesis) and a viva..You will know whether the degree has an honours component when you enrol..
In some countries, BSc is 3 year program. After that, they can apply to do honours year..which is a full year research intensive program..not all BSc students will apply for honours and not all are qualified..They are chosen based on the BSc results..
Did you have a final year research project at the end of your BSc?
BSc without honours doesn't mean that your degree is not recognized..It would imply inferiority if you intend to apply for related stuffs...such as postgraduate degree or job related to research (in bio context)..
An honours year is placed more importance than MSc (coursework)..at least this is what happen at my university..
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In malaysia, BSc with honours means that your will have a final year project which would result in a production of a dissertation (mini thesis) and a viva..You will know whether the degree has an honours component when you enrol..
In some countries, BSc is 3 year program. After that, they can apply to do honours year..which is a full year research intensive program..not all BSc students will apply for honours and not all are qualified..They are chosen based on the BSc results..
Did you have a final year research project at the end of your BSc?
BSc without honours doesn't mean that your degree is not recognized..It would imply inferiority if you intend to apply for related stuffs...such as postgraduate degree or job related to research (in bio context)..
An honours year is placed more importance than MSc (coursework)..at least this is what happen at my university..
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I did my BSc in UKM and i am in Australian National University for my PhD..
And you?
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y u can jump to phd without masters in australia? Not fair. Like dat everyone oso 1 go australia la
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y u can jump to phd without masters in australia? Not fair. Like dat everyone oso 1 go australia la
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Well, i have a 1st class honours and 1.5 years of experience as Research assistant...
With only the 1st class honours, i would not be able to enter ANU...my supervisor used my working experience to push my application thru..
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i c.. 1.5yrs of experience is it quality experience? or just a wasted expewrience?
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i c.. 1.5yrs of experience is it quality experience? or just a wasted expewrience?
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Gave me some exposure...In my BSc i work on E. coli recombinant protein expression system...
In my RA-ship i work on yeast and fungal expression system..and it widen my horizon on what options i have..how systems here work and etc..
If i weren't able to secure scholarship to Aus, the RA project would become my PhD project..

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how to secure scholarship to Aus? How many yrs for phd in Aus? Got publish any paper during RA?
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how to secure scholarship to Aus? How many yrs for phd in Aus? Got publish any paper during RA?
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There are ample scholarships available for international students...universities itself do offer scholarships to qualified applicants..
No one is going to do a PhD in Aus without a scholarship..the fees are very high..
3 years...but no one usually could finish in 3 years..usually 3-4 years..
Nope..no publications...i have to work from scratch as the previous masters student left a pile of mess for me to follow up...the more i work on it, the more error i found..and i have to back track to previous stages..and for bio-related project, you can't publish much...if you break up you projects to publish in a few papers, the papers would have lesser quality than you publish them in one as a whole..

PS: if you look around, there are a lot of countries which accept BSc (1st class honours) holders to their PhD program..1st class honours is the minimum for such admission..
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then what are the process for the scholaship? Like do u have to go to the university for interview or something? like dat i oso wanna go phd there
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then what are the process for the scholaship? Like do u have to go to the university for interview or something? like dat i oso wanna go phd there
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Nope...the scholarships i heard of doesn't require interviews..such as Endeavor scholarship for Aus and Commonwealth scholarship for UK..
There purely based on merit...results, awards, publications, reference letter and etc..
They judge your application based on several essays...and it wont be easy..For endeavour scholarship, there were over 2000+ applicant all over the world...only the selected few would be granted scholarship..
The essays are of general type...such as statement of purpose..
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so everything is online? Just sent application and they will select? So ma send as many as i can more chances to get lo.

By the way the stipend enough for living in australia? how much do u estimate needed per month to live in australia?
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so everything is online? Just sent application and they will select? So ma send as many as i can more chances to get lo.

By the way the stipend enough for living in australia? how much do u estimate needed per month to live in australia?
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Of course...it's like job application..you can't expect to get a scholarship with just 1 application..you have to send in as much as possible...
but it doesn't mean that the more you send, the higher the chances...as all scholarships are competitive..everyone wants a scholarship..but there isn't enough for everyone..
the sum given differs from scholarship to scholarship...but as a rule of thumb, these scholarship are enough..if you know how to manage and cook a lot, you could save..for my city, i would say at least A$1000 per month for essential needs..The ANU website estimates a person needs $20,000 annually..that's a generous estimation of course..
So for your Masters, do your best, publish in high impact publications rather than multiple lower impact ones...you'll need good reference letter for scholarship..
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Of course...it's like job application..you can't expect to get a scholarship with just 1 application..you have to send in as much as possible...
but it doesn't mean that the more you send, the higher the chances...as all scholarships are competitive..everyone wants a scholarship..but there isn't enough for everyone..
the sum given differs from scholarship to scholarship...but as a rule of thumb, these scholarship are enough..if you know how to manage and cook a lot, you could save..for my city, i would say at least A$1000 per month for essential needs..The ANU website estimates a person needs $20,000 annually..that's a generous estimation of course..
So for your Masters, do your best, publish in high impact publications rather than multiple lower impact ones...you'll need good reference letter for scholarship..
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so now u doing phd or finished phd?\
why wanna get phd
easier to get job?
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I am doing my PhD now..
Doing a PhD doesn't really correlated to getting a job easier..you have to understand that 1st..
Certain jobs need PhD qualification, certain jobs need Masters and certain need only BSc..They have different niche...like you can't work as a lecturer with BSc and it's insane for a PhD holder to work as a medical lab technologist..
I do PhD because i want to do something related to what i studied..and i don't want to do repetitive stuffs day in day out..With a BSc in bio-related course, i'll end up with jobs like technician if you insist on working on something related to what I studied...and it is kind of a personal satisfaction to get a PhD..
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I am doing my PhD now..
Doing a PhD doesn't really correlated to getting a job easier..you have to understand that 1st..
Certain jobs need PhD qualification, certain jobs need Masters and certain need only BSc..They have different niche...like you can't work as a lecturer with BSc and it's insane for a PhD holder to work as a medical lab technologist..
I do PhD because i want to do something related to what i studied..and i don't want to do repetitive stuffs day in day out..With a BSc in bio-related course, i'll end up with jobs like technician if you insist on working on something related to what I studied...and it is kind of a personal satisfaction to get a PhD..
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There are ample scholarships available for international students...universities itself do offer scholarships to qualified applicants..
No one is going to do a PhD in Aus without a scholarship..the fees are very high..
3 years...but no one usually could finish in 3 years..usually 3-4 years..
Nope..no publications...i have to work from scratch as the previous masters student left a pile of mess for me to follow up...the more i work on it, the more error i found..and i have to back track to previous stages..and for bio-related project, you can't publish much...if you break up you projects to publish in a few papers, the papers would have lesser quality than you publish them in one as a whole..

PS: if you look around, there are a lot of countries which accept BSc (1st class honours) holders to their PhD program..1st class honours is the minimum for such admission..
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oic.. cuz for my scholarship need 2 recommendation letter, attend test, interview and stuff so i thought all scholarship will be this tough. I only applied to one because not easy to get so many recommendation letter.

I see one of the criteria is proof of english ability. Did u take the toefl or watever english test for this scholarship? Can we just just watever malaysian english test we have? Because i used that for current scholarship. Well japan doesnt really need english anyway lol
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oic.. cuz for my scholarship need 2 recommendation letter, attend test, interview and stuff so i thought all scholarship will be this tough. I only applied to one because not easy to get so many recommendation letter.

I see one of the criteria is proof of english ability. Did u take the toefl or watever english test for this scholarship? Can we just just watever malaysian english test we have? Because i used that for current scholarship. Well japan doesnt really need english anyway lol
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My application for PhD requires 3 recommendation letters and the scholarship requires another 3...So i am glad that i did my RA-ship...and i feel very paiseh when i keep on bugging lecturers for recommendation letters..I took IELTS...the PhD application requires that..the scholarship application requires IELTS, Offer letter, and etc...lack of anyone of those would prohibit you from submitting an application..
Haha...do not underestimate scholarship applications without interview...It's not as easy as you think..for one you miss the chance to prove your worth in front of the scholarship selection panel...and writing an attractive statement of purpose which would stand out among the 2000+ applicants is no easy task..and academic excellence is nothing as most of the applicants have 1st class honours anyway...it would really depend on the essays, letters and credentials you have to pull it through..track record can't be built in a day..

which university are you in now?

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oh so difficult. I guess i will skip la. Hate troublesome stuff. Somemore 3 letter. My previous experience made me hate asking lecturers for recommendation letter. Before this i was also doing RA then ask my supervisor for recommendation letter. That idiot say ok ok but in the end didnt do anything and just kept quiet and disappeared. Damn f***er. Luckily i got other contacts.


Added on May 29, 2010, 3:46 pmthink also angry.. this is 1 lecturer which i will never respect in my whole f***ing life.. if he think im not worthy then at least reject me dont say ok ok then disaappear

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oh so difficult. I guess i will skip la. Hate troublesome stuff. Somemore 3 letter. My previous experience made me hate asking lecturers for recommendation letter. Before this i was also doing RA then ask my supervisor for recommendation letter. That idiot say ok ok but in the end didnt do anything and just kept quiet and disappeared. Damn f***er. Luckily i got other contacts.


Added on May 29, 2010, 3:46 pmthink also angry.. this is 1 lecturer which i will never respect in my whole f***ing life.. if he think im not worthy then at least reject me dont say ok ok then disaappear
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Lol...usually lecturers are forgetful...at least for my case..got 1 professor..i asked him to be my referee and he said ok..so i passed him my CV, transcript and everything so that he can write for me..after a few days, i went to see him again and he was like "who are you?" i ROTFLOL...he's just being forgetful..he did write for me..
at least you referee chose not to do anything and that's not too bad...i heard cases where the supervisor agree to write, but wrote badly for a senior...that cost him his scholarship..as the content of the letter is confidential, you wont know unless the author or the correspondent tell you..
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Lol...usually lecturers are forgetful...at least for my case..got 1 professor..i asked him to be my referee and he said ok..so i passed him my CV, transcript and everything so that he can write for me..after a few days, i went to see him again and he was like "who are you?" i ROTFLOL...he's just being forgetful..he did write for me..
at least you referee chose not to do anything and that's not too bad...i heard cases where the supervisor agree to write, but wrote badly for a senior...that cost him his scholarship..as the content of the letter is confidential, you wont know unless the author or the correspondent tell you..
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forget? I dont. All i know is that he dont care about anyone or anything except his own stuff. WHat a selfish guy. Hope he rot in hell. Other lecturers i see even though i didnt actualyl knwo them well and they dont know the the f*** i am, they still being friendly to me, willing to write and discuss about my plan. ALthough in the end i didnt ask them to write.

Picture behind biotech? I think is this

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Picture speaks a thousand words...biotech relies on molecular biological technique for DNA manipulation..
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biotech degree....not useful....140 grads, less than 20% is doing real biotech job stuff this includes masters biotech.

80% do banking, sales, insurance, production lines. haiz so saddings
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true true.. not very useful.. even if u work in biotech related job you will think to doubt what you do can contribute to the economy or country
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my friends all got offers btw 1.5-1.8, and those are first class grads! All bio companies- molecular bio/microbiologist positions...So not worth it! After deducting epf n socso, it would be basically around 1.3-1.6, wtf.

So little for a fresh grad from a course that is freaking tough sad.gif
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my friends all got offers btw 1.5-1.8, and those are first class grads! All bio companies- molecular bio/microbiologist positions...So not worth it! After deducting epf n socso, it would be basically around 1.3-1.6, wtf.

So little for a fresh grad from a course that is freaking tough sad.gif
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actually how come so low?
because of small company?
doesnt matter la
after working for a few years will increase
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actually how come so low?
because of small company?
doesnt matter la
after working for a few years will increase
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Sime darby only offering 2.2k for biotech ppl.....
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Sime darby only offering 2.2k for biotech ppl.....
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that day i heard 2.5 k
i think when u work longer will increase right?
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1.5 -1.8 is quite hard to survive
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1.3 to 1.5 are total prank.

at least the starting should be 1.8k plus plus.

don't worry about the prospects i believe somehow, those who are keen on this field would stand out the best.


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Sime darby only offering 2.2k for biotech ppl.....
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1.3 to 1.5 are total prank.

at least the starting should be 1.8k plus plus.

don't worry about the prospects i believe somehow, those who are keen on this field would stand out the best.


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yes it does have labs. but u got to bear in mind that how does the plantation raw materials being produced to bear the final products? it got to go to factory for the manufacturing stuffs and so.
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yes it does have labs. but u got to bear in mind that how does the plantation raw materials being produced to bear the final products? it got to go to factory for the manufacturing stuffs and so.
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hmm...im not sure about sime darby, but for genting group which is also dealing with crops, their lab work is pretty much in the lab, even involve some bioinformatics work. Probably you are right too, don't think we gonna be sure about how they run their lab unless we are working inside.

Anyway, 2200 actually is not too bad for entry-level, isn't it? Working in university or research institute labs always get relatively low pay because obviously academic labs have lesser financial power than corporate companies. It is not an issue of working in a "factory", really. Also, by working in a "factory" do you mean you are concern about uncomfortable or unhealthy work environment?


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Lol...usually lecturers are forgetful...at least for my case..got 1 professor..i asked him to be my referee and he said ok..so i passed him my CV, transcript and everything so that he can write for me..after a few days, i went to see him again and he was like "who are you?" i ROTFLOL...he's just being forgetful..he did write for me..
at least you referee chose not to do anything and that's not too bad...i heard cases where the supervisor agree to write, but wrote badly for a senior...that cost him his scholarship..as the content of the letter is confidential, you wont know unless the author or the correspondent tell you..
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You are doing phd in ANU? very cool! I graduated in australia too, but i stopped at honours, came back msia and working now. Miss the lab days, though. smile.gif
What is your phd project about?

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QUOTE(rach_ @ Jun 8 2010, 04:14 PM)
hmm...im not sure about sime darby, but for genting group which is also dealing with crops, their lab work is pretty much in the lab, even involve some bioinformatics work. Probably you are right too, don't think we gonna be sure about how they run their lab unless we are working inside.

Anyway, 2200 actually is not too bad for entry-level, isn't it? Working in university or research institute labs always get relatively low pay because obviously academic labs have lesser financial power than corporate companies. It is not an issue of working in a "factory", really. Also, by working in a "factory" do you mean you are concern about uncomfortable or unhealthy work environment?


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You are doing phd in ANU? very cool! I graduated in australia too, but i stopped at honours, came back msia and working now. Miss the lab days, though.  smile.gif
What is your phd project about?
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sime darby is offering 1.5 people biggrin.gif not 2.5

True, few yrs experience and u'll be somewhere after that, but for some, the few years seems hmm so long.
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sime darby is offering 1.5 people biggrin.gif not 2.5

True, few yrs experience and u'll be somewhere after that, but for some, the few years seems hmm so long.
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1.5? omg, may I know whats the position?
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hi

biotech grad here.. now end up in bank..

those who still study biotech wish dem good luck..quite hard find job in msia.

me n some my frens regret study tis course.
lab job got but salary low.
sales nt everyone like.
go singapore their own ppl oso enuf ledi..

tis course shud be abolish..cause jus study general..nt reali into chemistry nt reali into genetic engineering etc..all jus little knowledge.
ppl wan hire oso hard.beter hire a person major in that field.


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QUOTE(Patrick Star @ Jun 10 2010, 11:08 AM)
hi

biotech grad here.. now end up in bank..

those who still study biotech wish dem good luck..quite hard find job in msia.

me n some my frens regret study tis course.
lab job got but salary low.
sales nt everyone like.
go singapore their own ppl oso enuf ledi..

tis course shud be abolish..cause jus study general..nt reali into chemistry nt reali into genetic engineering etc..all jus little knowledge.
ppl wan hire oso hard.beter hire a person major in that field.
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I feel sorry for your rather pessimistic conditions. besides feeling pity over your conditions , i think it is time for you to learn to pick up skills which are deemed neccesary in biotech industry.
Your statements might discouraged those who may have interest on biotech for going to pick up the course. So please don't spunk out all those unnecessary negative comments on biotech. People who love and have deep interest on biotech would not end up in banking , insurance or whatsoever unrelated fields just like you. They will strike hard from the base , working as an RA for perhaps and end up doing their Phd and make a greater contributions on the fields concerned.

There are lots more to be learnt , friend.Don't lose hope yet, for one day u might be regretting for not joining biotech industry.

Cheers,
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QUOTE(rach_ @ Jun 8 2010, 04:14 PM)
hmm...im not sure about sime darby, but for genting group which is also dealing with crops, their lab work is pretty much in the lab, even involve some bioinformatics work. Probably you are right too, don't think we gonna be sure about how they run their lab unless we are working inside.

Anyway, 2200 actually is not too bad for entry-level, isn't it? Working in university or research institute labs always get relatively low pay because obviously academic labs have lesser financial power than corporate companies. It is not an issue of working in a "factory", really. Also, by working in a "factory" do you mean you are concern about uncomfortable or unhealthy work environment?
Yup i am not in any position of comenting about the working conditions as i am not really into the working setting yet.

But from what i know, lab is a place for them to do the research and development like testing, diagnosing and analysis.

Unhealthy environment? No, unless you are careless and not abide the rules and regulations concerned.

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 10 2010, 03:13 PM)
I feel sorry for your rather pessimistic conditions. besides feeling pity over your conditions , i think it is time for you to learn to pick up skills which are deemed neccesary in biotech industry.
Your statements might discouraged those who may have interest on biotech for going to pick up the course. So please don't spunk out all those unnecessary negative comments on biotech. People who love and have deep interest on biotech would not end up in banking , insurance or whatsoever unrelated fields just like you. They will strike hard from the base , working as an RA for perhaps and end up doing their Phd and make a greater contributions on the fields concerned.

There are lots more to be learnt , friend.Don't lose hope yet, for one day u might be regretting for not joining biotech industry.

Cheers,
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Yup i am not in any position of comenting about the working conditions as i am not really into the working setting yet.

But from what i know, lab is a place for them to do the research and development like testing, diagnosing and analysis.

Unhealthy environment? No, unless you are careless and not abide the rules and regulations concerned.
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if u r not in the working society yet..wait til u in onli say..

or if u from rich family o gt family support den u no need say..

go ask those ex-biotech grad what dey say..most of dem oso say same thing as mine..
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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 10 2010, 03:13 PM)
I feel sorry for your rather pessimistic conditions. besides feeling pity over your conditions , i think it is time for you to learn to pick up skills which are deemed neccesary in biotech industry.
Your statements might discouraged those who may have interest on biotech for going to pick up the course. So please don't spunk out all those unnecessary negative comments on biotech. People who love and have deep interest on biotech would not end up in banking , insurance or whatsoever unrelated fields just like you. They will strike hard from the base , working as an RA for perhaps and end up doing their Phd and make a greater contributions on the fields concerned.

There are lots more to be learnt , friend.Don't lose hope yet, for one day u might be regretting for not joining biotech industry.

Cheers,
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Added on June 10, 2010, 3:22 pm

Yup i am not in any position of comenting about the working conditions as i am not really into the working setting yet.

But from what i know, lab is a place for them to do the research and development like testing, diagnosing and analysis.

Unhealthy environment? No, unless you are careless and not abide the rules and regulations concerned.
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If not about the environment, what is the problem of working in a factory? U mentioned " that u have to reask this question: what are the differences between working in the lab with that of working at the factory? " What is your answer and point to this then?

I hav to say I agree with Patrick. When you start hunting for job, then you will know whats the reality. People who love and have deep interest on biotech WILL STILL end up in non-science area. Because like what patrick said lab low pay, sales not for everyone, singapore not for malaysians. With all these conditions, msians biotech grads are pretty much stuck, until the day the msian science field mature.

Moreover, not every biotech graduate has to have that burning passion for science, it is not wrong to take this degree as a cert - stepping stone to go on in any field which can feed you/satisfy you.
phd is not the ending for everyone, there are lots of factors and sometimes personal reasons to think of, that is why dream and reality is rarely equal. smile.gif
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If not about the environment, what is the problem of working in a factory? U mentioned " that u have to reask this question: what are the differences between working in the lab with that of working at the factory? " What is your answer and point to this then?

I hav to say I agree with Patrick. When you start hunting for job, then you will know whats the reality. People who love and have deep interest on biotech WILL STILL end up in non-science area. Because like what patrick said lab low pay, sales not for everyone, singapore not for malaysians. With all these conditions, msians biotech grads are pretty much stuck, until the day the msian science field mature.

Moreover, not every biotech graduate has to have that burning passion for science, it is not wrong to take this degree as a cert - stepping stone to go on in any field which can feed you/satisfy you.
phd is not the ending for everyone, there are lots of factors and sometimes personal reasons to think of, that is why dream and reality is rarely equal. smile.gif
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yeah..fully agree..give me five rach_..haha..

before this i oso full of passion for science..my course mates as well..but see know whr r we..most oso end up in non-science area..

reality always cruel..when u have no money to survive wt's more to talk bout passion..tat time u wil jus tak up any jobs available..no money eat oso prob.

i interview alot science jobs in msia..i admit no 2 nobody dare admit no.1.. go spore can get lab jobs but sales thr mostly for grads in SG university.. go thr u wil end up in office jobs, retail sales,labs..

Good opportunity of cos government wil giv their own citizens.foreigner slowly wait..go thr u wil work for ppl forever.. want to open own business slowly dreams..
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If not about the environment, what is the problem of working in a factory? U mentioned " that u have to reask this question: what are the differences between working in the lab with that of working at the factory? " What is your answer and point to this then?

I hav to say I agree with Patrick. When you start hunting for job, then you will know whats the reality. People who love and have deep interest on biotech WILL STILL end up in non-science area. Because like what patrick said lab low pay, sales not for everyone, singapore not for malaysians. With all these conditions, msians biotech grads are pretty much stuck, until the day the msian science field mature.

Moreover, not every biotech graduate has to have that burning passion for science, it is not wrong to take this degree as a cert - stepping stone to go on in any field which can feed you/satisfy you.
phd is not the ending for everyone, there are lots of factors and sometimes personal reasons to think of, that is why dream and reality is rarely equal. smile.gif
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Well, i won't say working at factory is deemed as safer as a lab. but i do think that they are 2 different working settings all together, If you want to discuss the differences between the two, there are indeed lots more to be distinguised by the industry driven people out there.

It is definetely not a stepping stone to ANY fields, esp the fields which need professional qualifications.
People study biotech for what? just for the sake of getting into other unrelated fields in future? it sounds weird.
Just because there are not much prospects that can be fit for these fields of grads , doesn't mean they are studying this for the sake of other fields?
Unless you are saying that u study to satisfy ur curiosity, and not into the mindset of involvement into the industry.

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anywhere i will be studying biotech also
actually very sad when i heard almost no one talk good about biotech

well actually
if u check us website 60% of biotech graduates are phd
for bio field, degree won make u go very far
u really need a phd
that is my hope too

i know someone thru internet telling me go singapore really need good results
they will take malaysians because we are cheaper in terms of salary
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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 11 2010, 12:11 AM)
anywhere i will be studying biotech also
actually very sad when i heard almost no one talk good about biotech

well actually
if u check us website 60% of biotech graduates are phd
for bio field, degree won make u go very far
u really need a phd
that is my hope too

i know someone thru internet telling me go singapore really need good results
they will take malaysians because we are cheaper in terms of salary
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last time,i was like u too,but at last i gave up on biotechnology.even some lectures agree that the job prospect in MY is not really good.
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@happypink
Even my ex-classmates who are singaporeans can't get a job with 1st class honours from Australia. smile.gif U can always try your luck when u graduated, u could be luckier.
To be honest, I personally don't regret taking my course and my knowledge is in use now in my job. You can choose your course according to your interest, but don't forget to take the reality into account when u decide.

@OMG!
So u ARE concern about the safety of the working environment. You have got to have a clearer mind when you give your points. smile.gif
The only difference I can think of is salary, other than that, I don't really care. Moreover, at this time of the year, if a fresh grad can get hired for any science-related job, you count yourself lucky, why bother the differences?

Fields which need professional qualifications? Depends on how you define "professional". Of course I don't mean study biotech to go be a doctor.
Biotech cert is easy to get, especially from private colleges. When people don't know what to choose, they choose biotech! They might be interested in science, but when the reality of the working world hits them, they rather take up jobs from any field than starve.

xaviereo can give some opinion here, he give up his engineer position to work in biotech field. I respect his passion in science, but I will never expect every biotech graduate to do that. That is a personal choice.
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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 11 2010, 12:11 AM)
anywhere i will be studying biotech also
actually very sad when i heard almost no one talk good about biotech

well actually
if u check us website 60% of biotech graduates are phd
for bio field, degree won make u go very far
u really need a phd
that is my hope too

i know someone thru internet telling me go singapore really need good results
they will take malaysians because we are cheaper in terms of salary
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2 of my classmates went to sg n work in biotecg field and their results r just so so. Although results r important but its not everything. important is if u know where to look for the opportunity. my 1 ringgit advice smile.gif
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QUOTE(rach_ @ Jun 11 2010, 08:17 AM)
@happypink
Even my ex-classmates who are singaporeans can't get a job with 1st class honours from Australia. smile.gif U can always try your luck when u graduated, u could be luckier.
To be honest, I personally don't regret taking my course and my knowledge is in use now in my job. You can choose your course according to your interest, but don't forget to take the reality into account when u decide.

@OMG!
So u ARE concern about the safety of the working environment. You have got to have a clearer mind when you give your points. smile.gif
The only difference I can think of is salary, other than that, I don't really care. Moreover, at this time of the year, if a fresh grad can get hired for any science-related job, you count yourself lucky, why bother the differences?

Fields which need professional qualifications? Depends on how you define "professional". Of course I don't mean study biotech to go be a doctor.
Biotech cert is easy to get, especially from private colleges. When people don't know what to choose, they choose biotech! They might be interested in science, but when the reality of the working world hits them, they rather take up jobs from any field than starve.

xaviereo can give some opinion here, he give up his engineer position to work in biotech field. I respect his passion in science, but I will never expect every biotech graduate to do that. That is a personal choice.
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Do you mind to explain further more on how the knowledge that u hv learnt from biotech course help you in your current job?
In term of analytical skills ?

Well, to me,Your bold statement simply implying that science related job is rather hard to get into, Or perhaps ur stand might be on only those biotech grads who would find it a great difficulty to get into science related jobs? Would you clarify here?
What are your definitions of science related jobs? A QC? A factory workers in F&B factory, Pharmaceutical companies, or agrcultural companies?
and what roles are you playing there? All those i believe shall be taken into account from the perspectives to define a science related jobs.

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 11 2010, 12:11 AM)
anywhere i will be studying biotech also
actually very sad when i heard almost no one talk good about biotech

well actually
if u check us website 60% of biotech graduates are phd
for bio field, degree won make u go very far
u really need a phd
that is my hope too

i know someone thru internet telling me go singapore really need good results
they will take malaysians because we are cheaper in terms of salary
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haha..if u study for knowledge sake go ahead..

if u study hope to get job in biotech field wish u good luck..

in msia biotech is vy outdated.. if u further study til phd u can be lecturer..but lecturer salary nowadays nt tat good anymore..our government con us saying biotech vy good here bla bla bla..

if u go spore u can work in lab thr..but bear in mind if gt promotion dey wil promote their own ppl first..sales in biotech field is for grads thr..

reality always reality..don cheat urself..

good luck..
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Do you mind to explain further more on how the knowledge that u hv learnt from biotech course help you in your current job?
In term of analytical skills ?

Well, to me,Your bold statement simply implying that science related job is rather hard to get into, Or perhaps ur stand might be on only those biotech grads who would find it a great difficulty to get into science related jobs? Would you clarify here?
What are your definitions of science related jobs? A QC? A factory workers in F&B factory, Pharmaceutical companies, or agrcultural companies?
and what roles are you playing there? All those i believe shall be taken into account from the perspectives to define a science related jobs.
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Do you mean you want to know about my current job? I am a bioinformatician. I graduated as BSc Biotech, Honours in Biochem. Although most of the things I learned in honours were lab skills and they are not applicable in my current job, the research skills and the cell biology basic I have are very useful for me now in terms of understanding and analyzing the big picture to small details of my projects.

I don't mean science related jobs are hard to get into, com'on i thought this whole thread is about biotech graduates? The fresh grad i meant here is Biotech fresh grad, sorry if I confused you. My statement that you've bold-ed just mean that science related jobs are limited in msia.

Science-related jobs to me are jobs that require "Graduates with B Sc Biotech/Life Sciences/Biomedical sciences or higher" and "cell biology/microbiology/genetics/biochemistry/... knowledge" If you browse through enough job ads, you will get the idea. smile.gif

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not really planning to stay in malaysia
5 of my cousins after degree fly to us
yeah
when u go to different country
there will be some kind of discriminations
quite stressful when work because of competitions
but overall they said it is quite fair compared to here

if your ability is at level 10, you may get treatment as level 9
but here worked last time,
if your ability is level 10 you will get only level 5 job level 4 salary due to some quata


Added on June 11, 2010, 11:23 amquite out of topic haha
doesnt matter la
mayb 4 years later evrything change
although i doubt it

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Somehow , the arguments may go long and long and it would be a never ending argument.

Let's see facts that gov will be promoting a fairly good budget for biotech fields. i remember our PM says that biotech is a field that can lure more foreign investors into our country. So i am quite sure this field would be booming in future, i am not talking about the present situation, but IN FUTURE as we all hope it would be.=)

Well, Putting aside biotech graduates,on a personal note, i noticed that chemistry graduates often have a more brighter prospects compared to life sciences fields.
Perhaps,Anyone mind to clarify that?
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got a senior from ukm
come out become admin ppl
doing human resource hire and fire ppl
don know wat the chem cert is for

another from nus work in fish market
examine fish which will be imported to singapore


Added on June 11, 2010, 11:55 amboth of their salary also 2 k++
juv one is MYR another is SGD

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if u like sales, the opportunity is vast, if ur looking for technical lab based positions, good luck on that.

If money is not what ur looking for, then i guess you'll be happy, else u'll be regretting.
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@happypink
Even my ex-classmates who are singaporeans can't get a job with 1st class honours from Australia. smile.gif U can always try your luck when u graduated, u could be luckier.
To be honest, I personally don't regret taking my course and my knowledge is in use now in my job. You can choose your course according to your interest, but don't forget to take the reality into account when u decide.

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Frankly, degree level can't get you far in Biotech...if you only have a degree, you will have to compete with diploma holders in singapore...and sometimes they favour diploma holders due to lower salaries..

To make long story short...if you're thinking about earning rm10k by the time you are 30 with biotech and bioscience, it's not very likely.. you'll have to look else where..


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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 11 2010, 11:33 AM)
Somehow , the arguments may go long and long and it would be a never ending argument.

Let's see facts that gov will be promoting a fairly good budget for biotech fields. i remember our PM says that biotech is a field that can lure more foreign investors into our country. So i am quite sure this field would be booming in future, i am not talking about the present situation, but IN FUTURE as we all hope it would be.=)

Well, Putting aside biotech graduates,on a personal  note, i noticed that chemistry graduates often have a more brighter prospects compared to life sciences fields.
Perhaps,Anyone mind to clarify that?
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chemistry is a more established field...a lot of chemistry applications are used in the industry..but they produce a lot of hazardous by products...or required high operation cost due to high temperature and high pressure conditions..this is where biotech comes in...
some of the chemical reactions can be substituted with enzymatic reactions...which are more environmental friendly..
but the thing is biotech application is still very new especially in malaysia...and investors are not will to spend time to research to make it viable...because this is business...they are more into commercial research...most of the time, the will get universities to do the fundamental research...when there is encouraging findings, only they take over and continue from there...if the findings is not encouraging, the will not pursue the research...that explains why only big companies do research..small companies simply do not have the resources to undertake research...


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QUOTE(rach_ @ Jun 8 2010, 04:14 PM)
hmm...im not sure about sime darby, but for genting group which is also dealing with crops, their lab work is pretty much in the lab, even involve some bioinformatics work. Probably you are right too, don't think we gonna be sure about how they run their lab unless we are working inside.

Anyway, 2200 actually is not too bad for entry-level, isn't it? Working in university or research institute labs always get relatively low pay because obviously academic labs have lesser financial power than corporate companies. It is not an issue of working in a "factory", really. Also, by working in a "factory" do you mean you are concern about uncomfortable or unhealthy work environment?


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You are doing phd in ANU? very cool! I graduated in australia too, but i stopped at honours, came back msia and working now. Miss the lab days, though.  smile.gif
What is your phd project about?
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Yup..PhD at ANU...My PhD project is Protein Engineering and Crytallography...
Protein engineering is not very established in malaysia..There's only a handful of people working on it in Malaysia..
Protein engineering is to improve desired properties of protein...such as increase thermostability so that it could by used in the industry or shift the pH of the enzyme so that it can function in a certain pH..Mine is to predict the uprising of bacterial antibiotic resistance toward beta-lactam antibiotics through protein evolution...

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Yup..PhD at ANU...My PhD project is Protein Engineering and Crytallography...
Protein engineering is not very established in malaysia..There's only a handful of people working on it in Malaysia..
Protein engineering is to improve desired properties of protein...such as increase thermostability so that it could by used in the industry or shift the pH of the enzyme so that it can function in a certain pH..Mine is to predict the uprising of bacterial antibiotic resistance toward beta-lactam antibiotics through protein evolution...
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omg so u r hard core biochemist! i always love protein work because it is so damn challenging (eg. its such a pain waiting for protein crystals to grow.), too bad i don't get a chance to be in that field yet.
So lots of westerns and bradford for u then? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(rach_ @ Jun 13 2010, 12:24 AM)
omg so u r hard core biochemist! i always love protein work because it is so damn challenging (eg. its such a pain waiting for protein crystals to grow.), too bad i don't get a chance to be in that field yet.
So lots of westerns and bradford for u then? biggrin.gif
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Haha...guess not...i've had my share of Bradford assays and western blotting during my RA-ship...
People in my current lab doesn't fancy these..Maybe because it's a chemistry department? lol
But i'll have lots of library generation and screening work in my coming days..
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SD 1.5k pay is for trainees, 2.2k is the real pay for the real staff.

BT no job in Msia. got also under 2k, eat what to survive ?
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SD 1.5k pay is for trainees, 2.2k is the real pay for the real staff.

BT no job in Msia. got also under 2k, eat what to survive ?
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that's a smart way to get cheap labour...
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I think biotech is such a young field in malaysia, and the government had overproduced biotech graduates...that's why hard to find job. Alot of my friends works in insurance or bank company.

when I graduate (2009), the economy turns really bad that time (recession starts too go really bad) so i decided to continue study instead of working. because if work got gaji like rm1.5 - 2 k/month. if study got allowance for rm1.5k/month. So studying is a better option. after all, i always want to do MSc
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Ok, I am a biotech graduate (BSc Hons.), my work is about bioinformatics! smile.gif
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Which company are u working with?
I am a bioinformatics graduate, working on bioinformatics now.
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i can c fate cutejam n wyen again in biotech related thread lol...im too a biotech grad but ended up giving it a try in insurance also...
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Applications are invited for Research Assistant position in a project titled “Development of chitosan-based nanoemulsion biofungicides for the control of Anthracnose disease of fruit crop”, based within the School of Biosciences. The position is for three years (1 year probation in the first instance) and, if appropriate, may be linked to the undertaking of an MPhil/PhD degree.

Eligible subject areas: plant pathology, biochemistry, plant biotechnology and horticulture.



For both post-grad positions, applicants must possess a 1st or upper 2nd class degree or Masters in a relevant subject, an appropriate English Language qualification and evidence of an aptitude for research.

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[COLOR=purple] Is this a good field to invest time on it? the interviewed people say the fund is only for two years with possibility to extend to third year. I dont think it can give a phd at the end but maybe a mphil plus RM1500 only per month.

any other people had come across with a better stipend and benefit for a RA or phd?what is the university?
really thirsty for a job but really cant find any. what i have to say is 'stupid biotech'...........................................[COLOR=purple]


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Which company are u working with?
I am a bioinformatics graduate, working on bioinformatics now.
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which company you r working in? i am graduate from biotech too, looking for job. did your company have any vacancy?


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haha.. earning enough tongue.gif

Pay is good when u become the head of the department. Scarcity is of course less than the jobs available for other sectors such as banking, insurance. etc which doesnt require any specific field of study because anyone can take up that job. Meaning higher level of competition for that job.

Chemistry is another good field. I think better than biotech since the got more chances of employability.

Me a big fan of biotech? lol.. because im stuck in this field so trying to console myself..hahahahha
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i guess overseas is the only option 2 maximize fully your biotech knowledge n skills laugh.gif so give it a try there rclxms.gif its G loss 4 the reduce population...u wont lose anything by going overseas 2 find jobs in your professional field
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Hello everyone..i m currently doing my third year in biotech too. Yea, i also heard from my friends that a normal biotech graduate in malaysia will have a hard time find a job relating to their field. I do know that there is a lot of opportunities in other more well develop country but i don't think they will hire a foreigner based on the current economic situation . So, yes i m kinda worried now. Any biotech graduates mind to share their experience after graduating from university?
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still no news job r and d company, do anyone know what those management associate programme that given by bank? it's the environment same like insurance company? very stress and work until very late each day? thinking of joining those programme but very scare of relocation to overseas like indonesia and vietnam.
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Somehow I was wondering if all biotechs graduate don't get a work, or it depends on the courses?
I'm doing genetics and molecular bio, and I admit, it's hard even to seek for a place to do LI.
How about microbes and biochem students? Somehow I envisioned microbes students having lots of jobs opportunities. They can even stay in the hospital labs or work in health related sections.
Genetics? I don't know either shakehead.gif

And it irks me how companies always seek for experience ppl. I mean, where can we get experience if they didn't allow us to? By the end of the day, we'll have lots of inexperienced ppl waiting for jobs and lots of old, experienced ppl retiring from the company. Then what? Company goes KO coz they could find anymore experienced ppl. doh.gif
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still no news job r and d company, do anyone know what those management associate programme that given by bank? it's the environment same like insurance company? very stress and work until very late each day? thinking of joining those programme but very scare of relocation to overseas like indonesia and vietnam.
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ya..thats one of plan too if i fail to get a job after i graduate. But i heard that it's not easy to join those management associate program. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(aina_chan @ Aug 27 2010, 04:20 PM)
Somehow I was wondering if all biotechs graduate don't get a work, or it depends on the courses?
I'm doing genetics and molecular bio, and I admit, it's hard even to seek for a place to do LI.
How about microbes and biochem students? Somehow I envisioned microbes students having lots of jobs opportunities. They can even stay in the hospital labs or work in health related sections.
Genetics? I don't know either  shakehead.gif

And it irks me how companies always seek for experience ppl. I mean, where can we get experience if they didn't allow us to? By the end of the day, we'll have lots of inexperienced ppl waiting for jobs and lots of old, experienced ppl retiring from the company. Then what? Company goes KO coz they could find anymore experienced ppl. doh.gif
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yeah agree with that...they not giving chance to fresh grad and for sure in future they will lack of ppl equiped with bio skill rclxms.gif
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bio fieild is a fail. Adbullah who started this program already retire and his successor might be retiring soon and we dont see any glimpse of hope in this field.
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QUOTE(im_not_stupid @ Aug 27 2010, 09:41 PM)
yeah agree with that...they not giving chance to fresh grad and for sure in future they will lack of ppl equiped with bio skill rclxms.gif
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IF there's a future in the biotech industry worth working for in the 1st place. The biotech industry in MY is very far from mature. Not by miles, but by continents. Despite the clamor over biotech this biotech that there's really nothing major that's been developed and commercialized by MY. Overall industry R&D spending in MY is poor (0.6%), never mind biotech alone. Spending on this particular sector is usually done by the gov.

From what I've seen, about the best place you could aim for is academia. Which makes sense if you sit down and think about it. If you're really serious about doing R&D but still want to remain in MY, academia is the best option u got. MY academia lacks significantly in manpower. And if you join a gov RLKA program hey, they fund ur postgraduate for u! AND when u come back from phd and start working, u get bumped straight up to grade DS51. Besides, who else is gonna give you the funds and grants u need to do the research u want and the training u need?
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Malaysia tends to follow other countries. When other the big goons said "biotech is needed", MY jumps to it with the hope that they would not be left behind. They never look at the future (or they look too much in the future). R&D in MY can't suddenly go into a hike. The government needs to see how biotech comes around. They can't just go saying "Lots of graduates of biotech field is needed by 2015!" or sth like that. They'd be influx of ppl taking biotech, and resulting in influx in ppl menganggur later.

QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Aug 27 2010, 11:31 PM)
From what I've seen, about the best place you could aim for is academia. Which makes sense if you sit down and think about it. If you're really serious about doing R&D but still want to remain in MY, academia is the best option u got
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Academia? What is it actually? 100% for R&D or sth to do with education field? It doesn't seemed to have a proper website.

I was wondering about the biotech corp that is seemed to be on the rise lately. They did something about the usahawan and biotech, but somehow I think it's just government's way of promoting the course. One company being active doesn't mean all biotech field is rising. My friend did plant biotech, and she ends up opting for masters and then phD. Become a lecturer coz apparently, there IS a shortage of lecturers.

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Academia? What is it actually? 100% for R&D or sth to do with education field? It doesn't seemed to have a proper website.
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Academia refers to the academic sector in general, like what ur friend did - do MSc and PhD then become a lecturer. U could opt for private or public academic institutions or research centers. Public would be a good place to start since they don't mind spending on ur training and education. Although considering how broke the country is right now, I don't know how long this will last.

The Malaysian Biotech Corp is a facilitator, an enabler - they help promote the sector and assist in R,D,C & E. Hence their dishing out bionexus certs, entrepreneurship progs, bionexus partner facilities, information, partnering, commercialization assistance etc. They don't necessarily do biotech per se, they focus their efforts on building up the local industry in that sector. Pretty much like what MDeC is to the ICT industry.

They way I see it la guys, the country needs entrepreneurs , ppl to head out there and build the industry. If there's no place for u to work, build one! Get involved in commercializing local R&D, create a start-up. Not as easy as it sounds, yes, but this is what's necessary.


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Hi, im a biotech grad also.. i was offered 2.3k at asiatic (genting)...but i rejected it..because i was thinking to pursue my phd...i didnt put much effort..so ended giving up now... now looking for job again....
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Wow.. didnt put effort and u get a starting salary of 2.3k. notworthy.gif

Not many people get to work in bio field
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QUOTE(aidan86 @ Aug 28 2010, 07:56 PM)
Hi, im a biotech grad also.. i was offered 2.3k at asiatic (genting)...but i rejected it..because i was thinking to pursue my phd...i didnt put much effort..so ended giving up now... now looking for job again....
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guess lotsa biotech grads wanna beat u cz u rejected d precious opportunity LOL
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Yes they will beat you. Why the hell you apply for job and deprive others the opportunity when you already decided to phd doh.gif
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Wow.. didnt put effort and u get a starting salary of 2.3k. notworthy.gif

Not many people get to work in bio field
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clarifiy here. i didnt put effort in my RA ship to prepare me for PHD. for personal reasons..
that time i got the offer, i already in RA ship. wat i tot is that doing phd will give me more in the future, but its not as easy as i tot....when i think carefully, i m not interested in becoming a lecturer, so wat is the reason for me to do phd? my research faced repeated failure which upsets me.. so i quit..


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Yes they will beat you. Why the hell you apply for job and deprive others the opportunity when you already decided to phd doh.gif
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i went for the interview a few months earlier...i tot i hv no chance already..then only i go into RA ship

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So how? U dun 1 be lecturer and u din accept offer. WHat u gonna do in life by taking phd?
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actually even after u pursue PHD u still need to find a company to get a job... unless u wanted u be lecturer its a bit of waste if u do PHD..
unless u are so lucky that u can get into RnD after u grad from PHD~
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From what i heard, RnD in bio field doesn't pay well. (in msia)

@aidan86
wow u gave up a job with a starting pay of 2.3k. not many bio related jobs pay that kind of amount for a bio fresh grad.

@pleasuresaurus
u need lots of $$ if you really want to build up the bio industry in malaysia.
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u need lots of $$ if you really want to build up the bio industry in malaysia.
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Sure, more than any other R&D intensive industry. But it doesn't have to be YOUR money.....
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Hi, im a biotech grad also.. i was offered 2.3k at asiatic (genting)...
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Just wondering, which specialization in biotech are you from? bioinfo? biochem? microbe?
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Anyway, people said it's better to go for phD and become a lecturer, but I think I prefer being an RA and do demo-ing in labs rather than teaching...
Some uni (like mine, as I found out from the lecturers), gives red slip to even good lecturers if they didn't do any research...

Is there actually more of biotech graduates going for teaching or more of them opting for working in a completely unrelated field? Just curious.

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So how? U dun 1 be lecturer and u din accept offer. WHat u gonna do in life by taking phd?
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im working in another company now. 2k for probation 3 months. its not in the lab. not quite related. but my knowledge in biotech can sometimes be used.


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Just wondering, which specialization in biotech are you from? bioinfo? biochem? microbe?
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Anyway, people said it's better to go for phD and become a lecturer, but I think I prefer being an RA and do demo-ing in labs rather than teaching...
Some uni (like mine, as I found out from the lecturers), gives red slip to even good lecturers if they didn't do any research...

Is there actually more of biotech graduates going for teaching or more of them opting for working in a completely unrelated field? Just curious.
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tissue culture and molecular...

my coursemate teaching a-level biology...(2.5k)..

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does pharmaceutical companies hire biotech graduates?
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They do, but in MY, they're mostly for sales & marketing rather than R&D. i myself started out in life as a pharma sales rep - a glorified drug pusher hahaha. There's not much pharma drug research going on in industry here - and if there is ur probably getting paid peanuts for it as a fresh grad.
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QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Aug 29 2010, 03:15 PM)
They do, but in MY, they're mostly for sales & marketing rather than R&D. i myself started out in life as a pharma sales rep - a glorified drug pusher hahaha. There's not much pharma drug research going on in industry here - and if there is ur probably getting paid peanuts for it as a fresh grad.
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How was the pay when you started out as a sales and marketing rep?
Ya, i agree..pharma drug research is still quite slow over here.
So, what kind of job are you currently doing? mind if i ask?
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If not fresh grad also i cant see ppl earning much
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Back then it was a basic of almost 2k plus commission for achieving annual sales targets successfully. Sales commissions were pretty good actually - if u hit them you could be making double your annual basic. And the targets weren't out-of-this-world difficult too achieve.
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Anyone actually get a work offer at the same place they do Latihan industri?
What is a good place to do that anyway? I can barely see any suitable place
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my fren did internship in sime darby, in d end after grad sime darby don't want them...
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I work in Genting Palm Oil Research before i continue my study. Salary was 2.3k per month, they do offer internship too. good place for learn things, they might offer you to stay as permanent staff if your performance are really good.
Getting a car soon, hope i get job soon and more easily as no need to worry about no transport of reach that place.
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Is a waste of time and money to study biotech...
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I work in Genting Palm Oil Research before i continue my study. Salary was 2.3k per month, they do offer internship too.  good place for learn things, they might offer you to stay as permanent staff if your performance are really good.
Getting a car soon, hope i get job soon and more easily as no need to worry about no transport of reach that place.
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get a job 1st then get confirmed then GET a car

all in that sequence

unless u like doin lab work, dun do bio tech

do chemistry or environment, more jobs
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I've got a friend with a degree in Biotech and he says all there are right now are just sales & marketing jobs lol
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take it as lesson in life to make choices wisely biggrin.gif
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well...a successful wise old man told me that what we studied during uni is just a stepping stone in our life so better don't just limit our choice to what we studied~ smile.gif
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the successful wise old man is telling u what he should do during his time. Now time changed his advice already outdated.
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I've got a friend with a degree in Biotech and he says all there are right now are just sales & marketing jobs lol
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QUOTE(im_not_stupid @ Sep 3 2010, 10:20 PM)
well...a successful wise old man told me that what we studied during uni is just a stepping stone in our life so better don't just limit our choice to what we studied~ smile.gif
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rclxms.gif thumbup.gif true enough...I have a degree in biotech and yet i never limited my choice towards this field only.

Embarked on a different path (sales) but not in the science line but rather financial publishing line and foraging into the writing line as well after this...
My knowledge of biotech might not be used at all but then again, at least it serves as additional knowledge (which is not a loss). tongue.gif

Life is learning process, so be ready to learn new things when it comes to working life.
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It will turn out better for you if you did not choose biotech inthe first place and go for something else related to sales. smile.gif

So the what the old man said is not entirely true. Its just a word to comfort yourself for taking the wrong step
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 4 2010, 02:20 PM)
It will turn out better for you if you did not choose biotech inthe first place and go for something else related to sales. smile.gif

So the what the old man said is not entirely true. Its just a word to comfort yourself for taking the wrong step
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 4 2010, 02:20 PM)
It will turn out better for you if you did not choose biotech inthe first place and go for something else related to sales. smile.gif

So the what the old man said is not entirely true. Its just a word to comfort yourself for taking the wrong step
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dude, life is not always meant to be perfect...chill!

i've seen those in business(-sales related course basically) who ends up not getting any job either..So, yeah life is not like fixed to something.Keep ur mind open to various options and only then would you look at the bigger picture

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do u think the prospects r good for a biotech-related job with minimal labwork?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 4 2010, 02:20 PM)
It will turn out better for you if you did not choose biotech inthe first place and go for something else related to sales. smile.gif

So the what the old man said is not entirely true. Its just a word to comfort yourself for taking the wrong step
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dude not everyone know what they want before step into the true world...if everyone doin sales who can do research in various field to make the world better?or make products for ppl to do sales?
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dude not everyone know what they want before step into the true world...if everyone doin sales who can do research in various field to make the world better?or make products for ppl to do sales?
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If they do not know what they want b4 step into true worls, then why choose something so specialize such as biotech? Wont it be a stupid choice? If dont know what they want, better take something general like marketing, sales, and other field which can provide more job opportunities.

Your second statement is true. Research is necessary but it doesnt happen in malaysia. Malaysia is just a marketing target for those research companies. Not good enough for them to invest in research yet. How many local research product do you see selling in the market? Probably around 10 only.
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Anyone actually get a work offer at the same place they do Latihan industri?
What is a good place to do that anyway? I can barely see any suitable place
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do u think the prospects r good for a biotech-related job with minimal labwork?
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it's pretty rewarding if you are a persuasive and business minded person

as I prefer labworks rather than sales
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biotech grad here, working with sime darby research..

pay is normal exec pay; if get into management can get more. damn. sad.gif

but this is normal, scientists arent exactly the highest paid employees in most companies anyway.

go work closer to where the money is and your pocket will be filled, im not kidding. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(powerfulcool @ Sep 29 2010, 12:04 AM)
biotech grad here, working with sime darby research..

pay is normal exec pay; if get into management can get more. damn. sad.gif

but this is normal, scientists arent exactly the highest paid employees in most companies anyway.

go work closer to where the money is and your pocket will be filled, im not kidding. biggrin.gif
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Yeah, the starting salary for scientists are more often than not, demoralizing... still, it gets better and better as time passes by, provided we don't give up, that is....
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heard that the govt has reserved high majority of the work opportunity in biotech field to certain "category of" of ppl which is also known has "quota system".

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heard that the govt has reserved high majority of the work opportunity in biotech field to certain "category of" of ppl which is also known has "quota system".
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Biotech graduate here, in fact just graduated 3 weeks ago. Among the wide field of Biotech, Im doing molecular cloning and genetic engineering, that's where my interest lies. It's a fact that biotech-related job very hard to find. My friends get their lab job with 1.8k, mind you that they are all 1st class. Not being disencouranging, Msia is NOT READY for this field, resources such as grants are used for research that are hardly be commercialized. Pursuing master must have a strong purpose. If you feel despair in job hunting after your bachelor then only you opt for a master. That is totally nonsense because after your master you will be facing the same issue since your focus is at somewhere else. If you are still stuck in university, kindly involve in more activities that will make your resume look nice. Explore some other functional area like marketing or even sales. They are just as cool as lab work. Translating R&D output into a branded product requires the right people speaking the right words. Open up your mind to find something RELEVANT. We are having noble knowledge in ourselve and please don't sell yourself short just because of lack of response from companies, it might due to the low demand. Keep yourself relevant and when the day comes, we all shall be able to shine with glory.
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Biotech graduate here, in fact just graduated 3 weeks ago. Among the wide field of Biotech, Im doing molecular cloning and genetic engineering, that's where my interest lies. It's a fact that biotech-related job very hard to find. My friends get their lab job with 1.8k, mind you that they are all 1st class. Not being disencouranging, Msia is NOT READY for this field, resources such as grants are used for research that are hardly be commercialized. Pursuing master must have a strong purpose. If you feel despair in job hunting after your bachelor then only you opt for a master. That is totally nonsense because after your master you will be facing the same issue since your focus is at somewhere else. If you are still stuck in university, kindly involve in more activities that will make your resume look nice. Explore some other functional area like marketing or even sales. They are just as cool as lab work. Translating R&D output into a branded product requires the right people speaking the right words. Open up your mind to find something RELEVANT. We are having noble knowledge in ourselve and please don't sell yourself short just because of lack of response from companies, it might due to the low demand. Keep yourself relevant and when the day comes, we all shall be able to shine with glory.
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1.8k is obviously low, but then the pay for scientists is low everywhere else in the world anyway, and I do mean PhDs not just your average degree graduates.

So really there's no money in science, we do it because we are really interested in it, not because of the money. Imagine working late into the night and coming back during weekends, and not getting paid for these extra hours of work.

If I wanted money I'd have gone for doctors, lawyers, or heck, even plumbers make more money than scientists (and I am talking about foreign countries with leading research reputation, not just Malaysia).

However, I definitely disagree with your statement that marketing or sales are as cool as lab work. I'm sorry but to me lab work is probably the most satisfying job ever, with so many challenges to take on, so many novel ideas to be attempted, that's what really interesting about science. That's why I always think that the most talented students should go for scientists instead of becoming doctors.

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1.8k is obviously low, but then the pay for scientists is low everywhere else in the world anyway, and I do mean PhDs not just your average degree graduates.

So really there's no money in science, we do it because we are really interested in it, not because of the money. Imagine working late into the night and coming back during weekends, and not getting paid for these extra hours of work.

If I wanted money I'd have gone for doctors, lawyers, or heck, even plumbers make more money than scientists (and I am talking about foreign countries with leading research reputation, not just Malaysia).

However, I definitely disagree with your statement that marketing or sales are as cool as lab work. I'm sorry but to me lab work is probably the most satisfying job ever, with so many challenges to take on, so many novel ideas to be attempted, that's what really interesting about science. That's why I always think that the most talented students should go for scientists instead of becoming doctors.
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QUOTE(tester @ Jun 1 2011, 09:28 PM)
1.8k is obviously low, but then the pay for scientists is low everywhere else in the world anyway, and I do mean PhDs not just your average degree graduates.

So really there's no money in science, we do it because we are really interested in it, not because of the money. Imagine working late into the night and coming back during weekends, and not getting paid for these extra hours of work.

If I wanted money I'd have gone for doctors, lawyers, or heck, even plumbers make more money than scientists (and I am talking about foreign countries with leading research reputation, not just Malaysia).

However, I definitely disagree with your statement that marketing or sales are as cool as lab work. I'm sorry but to me lab work is probably the most satisfying job ever, with so many challenges to take on, so many novel ideas to be attempted, that's what really interesting about science. That's why I always think that the most talented students should go for scientists instead of becoming doctors.
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But people's got a life to think off and money, sadly, play a major role in it....

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1.8k is obviously low, but then the pay for scientists is low everywhere else in the world anyway, and I do mean PhDs not just your average degree graduates.

So really there's no money in science, we do it because we are really interested in it, not because of the money. Imagine working late into the night and coming back during weekends, and not getting paid for these extra hours of work.

If I wanted money I'd have gone for doctors, lawyers, or heck, even plumbers make more money than scientists (and I am talking about foreign countries with leading research reputation, not just Malaysia).

However, I definitely disagree with your statement that marketing or sales are as cool as lab work. I'm sorry but to me lab work is probably the most satisfying job ever, with so many challenges to take on, so many novel ideas to be attempted, that's what really interesting about science. That's why I always think that the most talented students should go for scientists instead of becoming doctors.
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The pay is low for scientist everywhere? Maybe, but there are so much more factor contribute to happiness in workplace. Biotech job is the happiest job in USA. http://blogs.forbes.com/meghancasserly/201...ers-in-america/

Yes you do it is because of interest, I really buy the idea. I understand the feeling of forgetting the time passed when I m so enthusiastic in completing my task and fulfill my satisfaction. That was the feeling I feel in lab during my final year project. 50 times of failure in PCR, emotions run ups and downs but the result, satisfy me.
Marketing or sales of course can be as cool as lab. I said so Maybe because I have bad experience in lab whereas u have a fantastic experience in your school's lab. Your coolest uniform is lab coat but my coolest uniform is dresses. People are different due to different background and experience. Please dun judge solely by ur own experience.
Science is the savior for our world, especially biotech, it fuel the world, feed the world and cure the world. But marketing/ business peoples also an important player in this industry to translate our R&D output to a picture/concept that can be accepted by the public. This industry somehow needs the right people to tell the right words at the right time. There is no dishonour job only dishonour man.
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The pay is low for scientist everywhere? Maybe, but there are so much more factor contribute to happiness in workplace. Biotech job is the happiest job in USA. http://blogs.forbes.com/meghancasserly/201...ers-in-america/

Yes you do it is because of interest, I really buy the idea. I understand the feeling of forgetting the time passed when I m so enthusiastic in completing my task and fulfill my satisfaction. That was the feeling I feel in lab during my final year project. 50 times of failure in PCR, emotions run ups and downs but the result, satisfy me.
Marketing or sales of course can be as cool as lab. I said so Maybe because I have bad experience in lab whereas u have a fantastic experience in your school's lab. Your coolest uniform is lab coat but my coolest uniform is dresses. People are different due to different background and experience. Please dun judge solely by ur own experience.
Science is the savior for our world, especially biotech, it fuel the world, feed the world and cure the world. But marketing/ business peoples also an important player in this industry to translate our R&D output to a picture/concept that can be accepted by the public. This industry somehow needs the right people to tell the right words at the right time. There is no dishonour job only dishonour man.
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well said... the interpretation of cool is depend on your interest.
just do whatever u r passionate of, and live with no regrets.
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The pay is low for scientist everywhere? Maybe, but there are so much more factor contribute to happiness in workplace. Biotech job is the happiest job in USA. http://blogs.forbes.com/meghancasserly/201...ers-in-america/

Yes you do it is because of interest, I really buy the idea. I understand the feeling of forgetting the time passed when I m so enthusiastic in completing my task and fulfill my satisfaction. That was the feeling I feel in lab during my final year project. 50 times of failure in PCR, emotions run ups and downs but the result, satisfy me.
Marketing or sales of course can be as cool as lab. I said so Maybe because I have bad experience in lab whereas u have a fantastic experience in your school's lab. Your coolest uniform is lab coat but my coolest uniform is dresses. People are different due to different background and experience. Please dun judge solely by ur own experience.
Science is the savior for our world, especially biotech, it fuel the world, feed the world and cure the world. But marketing/ business peoples also an important player in this industry to translate our R&D output to a picture/concept that can be accepted by the public. This industry somehow needs the right people to tell the right words at the right time. There is no dishonour job only dishonour man.
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Actually pay is pretty low for postdocs in the US if you compare with here (Australia), which is still low. (Unless, of course, you mean private industry) Even a plumber can make more money than us, seriously.

As for PCR for 50 times, we've all been through that at some point of our lab career. If you think about it, the technical aspect of science is mostly troubleshooting, and keep trying until you 'perfect' the method, although there are tasks that can be extremely challenging e.g. I am keen on developing a new surgical method (for animal model) which at this stage is still in its infancy.

Still, the most interesting aspect about it is not the techniques themselves, but how you come up with solutions to your problems. This is where creativity and novelty kick in, and the experience is extremely satisfying when you can prove your approach works.

Anyway I never said marketing is not good. It was my opinion and clearly stated that I disagreed with your opinion. Therefore, it was merely my opinion that I think science is so much more interesting and satisfying than marketing. Period.

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Actually pay is pretty low for postdocs in the US if you compare with here (Australia), which is still low. (Unless, of course, you mean private industry) Even a plumber can make more money than us, seriously.

As for PCR for 50 times, we've all been through that at some point of our lab career. If you think about it, the technical aspect of science is mostly troubleshooting, and keep trying until you 'perfect' the method, although there are tasks that can be extremely challenging e.g. I am keen on developing a new surgical method (for animal model) which at this stage is still in its infancy.

Still, the most interesting aspect about it is not the techniques themselves, but how you come up with solutions to your problems. This is where creativity and novelty kick in, and the experience is extremely satisfying when you can prove your approach works.

Anyway I never said marketing is not good. It was my opinion and clearly stated that I  disagreed with your opinion. Therefore, it was merely my opinion that I think science is so much more interesting and satisfying than marketing. Period.
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lol for interest.. haha

more like thats the only thing biotech grads can do unless go do some general job which might pay even higher

but most ppl will stick to the thinking that since they study in this field then going to other non related field will be a waste or something like dat
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For this field, better get a postgraduate degree and work as a researcher. Bachelor won't do much for you.
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Sadly to say, Malaysia is not very research based. So far i notice, only universities and very little overseas or local company that are doing research here. Therefore, places for biotech students is very limited. Moreover, some research that biotech is doing, engineering is doing as well, and other science based course such as chemistry or biology are doing as well. Y not much companies out there to do research?
1st - its not very profitable (nice investment, low profit) - research is die or live
2nd - lack of support/investment (from govt or private) - we are more in industrial based (ppl invest and build factory - mostly semicon and oil and gas)
3rd - malaysia are very much far behind in terms of research compared to other countries
I do not know which field Malaysia is good at....
in terms of agricutural, we are far behind Thailand and Indonesia
in terms of biologly - this one no need to say la..haha..wayyyy back...
in terms of environment - this one also behind..we only look after our trees...
what else ah? hahaha.. not sure...
I'm a Chemical Engineering graduate, my FYP is hydrogen production from miroalgae. Imagine, this research is done way back 60 years ago...but no university currently doing this research...that's y its difficult for me to look for reference in Malaysia, i have to look and ask overseas. I think my work is kinda biotech. haha..
Anyhow, to me i think the only place for Biotech students in Malaysia for now is gonna be Masters then PHD...we are lack of lecturers i think..haha..Nevertheless, our country have a big source of any materials u want for research...very very big potential here.. hopefully some organization can bloom our biotech sector... all the best icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hmm.

I'm just wondering, what are the general challenges biotech graduates are currently facing now when applying for jobs? So far from the posts, what I've gathered are:

(i) Not enough research posts
(ii) Few known biotech companies in Malaysia
(iii) Money not enough (i.e. low pay)
(iv) Companies not hiring because not "specialized" degree/relevant skill-sets

Any thing else? Please do add to the list, if any.

As far as I know, there are 364 biotech companies in Malaysia, and another 3 more MNCs will be added to that list by 2012. Those listed on BiotechCorp's website are only the 188 companies with 'BioNexus' status, and are mostly pioneering companies, rather than mature ones. If you use that list as a basis of finding biotech-related jobs, then the chances for disappointment is comparatively higher.

This is my personal experience in the Malaysian biotech industry:

After graduating from Monash in 2006, I was initially hired by a phytopharma company. The job was very different from what I specialized in (developmental genetics), and so I decided to leave the company at the end of my 3-month probation period. Partly, it was due to a job offer I received from a Dutch-Malaysian company to be their plant breeder/seed technologist. As of October 2010, I've joined another company involved with the biotech industry as an intelligence officer. Just for information sake, my salary has made the following progression: RM1,800 => RM2,200 - RM 3,000 => RM3,300. It is low, but that's just my taxable salary. My remuneration package (which is largely non-taxable) makes my total income a lot more higher, eg. guaranteed "hardship" pay of RM10,000 or minimum 6-months salaray a year; free housing and utility; non-taxable subsidies amounting to RM200-RM300 a month etc. In addition, for a person who is classified as a "knowledge worker", there are tax rebates to enjoy. The nett result is my real income is closer to RM4,000 - RM5,000 a month.


Admittedly, being more business-oriented, the level of fundamental research for the 364-odd companies are lower. Also, companies moving from SME-status to mature status tend to be very picky and particular about the kind of skill-sets and training local graduates posses. I'm not sure how many graduates are aware about the Biotechnology Entreprenuership Special Training Program (BeST), but just as well to note it here. It is a 6-month intense training program aimed at preparing graduates for the local biotech industry needs. Usually, graduates are attached with an industry partner, which may be local or foreign (including overseas training), and most often, trainees gain job offers after completing the training stint at those companies/agencies. Since 2007 till end 2010, 1,040 graduates have opted to go through the program, with 650 of them securing jobs, while the rest them going on to develop start-ups within and outside Malaysia, or continuing with further studies.


I recall coming across someone mentioning that biotech is a "specialized" field. I would like to clarify that "biotech" is not actually a field of its own, but rather a conglomeration of various fields. And yes, a "biotech" graduate can hardly be considered a specialist in any one field. But I would add that a biotech graduate should also be more capable of looking at the bigger picture, of how to link different fields together in a synergistic fashion. For instance, a boiler engineer would likely know how to build stack fermentors, calibrate those fermentors etc., but would likely know little about optimising cell activity, input/output efficiency, biocontrol and metabolic rates etc. Likewise, a chemist might have a better understanding about chemical reactions and synthesization, but likely know little about mechanical assembly etc. The lack of knowledge in the other field does not affect the specific role of those workers, but it does affect the overall work efficiency and productivity of the business entity. This is were the "biotechnologist" comes in: as a coordinator and synergiser of those overlapping fields, a sort of "go-between". Biotechnology is an applied science after all.


I would like to add the comments from some biotech companies about our local graduates. These are MNCs and some local players; most of them admit that local graduates do have good knowledge of the sciences, but lack applicable skills or are too academic instead of industry-poised. Personally, I've been involved with the training of local biotech graduates when they came for BeST training in my previous company, and from first-hand experience, I can vouche for the legitimacy of these comments. Most of the graduates I've trained start-off with the wrong impression about biotechnology. As I've mentioned before, biotechnology is an applied science (i.e. research AND development), but most seem to have the idea that it is a fundamental science (i.e. all about research). Maybe it is also the fault of the universities that produced the graduates, but almost every graduate I've encountered wants to do fundamental research only, rather than finding ways of commercializing research findings. As for "Biotech not as good as government said", I must add this: Malaysia has achieved in less that a decade what other countries have been working on for 30 years or more. Even today, a very large component of US and EU biotech companies are still start-ups, with very few percentage of mature companies; and the biotech industry there started 50-60 years ago. Biotech in India started in the 1980s, and only today are these companies attaining some level of maturity and profitability. Yes, admittedly, certain quarters have over-hyped the biotech industry in Malaysia, but it does not mean the industry is all gloom and doom. The industry is growing at a rate of between 15%-20% per annum (depending on sector), with most of the growth being in healthcare biotech and industrial biotech. It is one of the country's fastest growing economic area, and is likely to overtake other sectors in the very near future.

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I am a graduate of Food Biotechnology so of course my specialization is in food. I joined BeST program for 5 months then offered a job in food industry. Mainly focus in quality assurance/control. No related to research at all. it's since I'm not 100% interested in research work at the first place. Studying is ok but for work, not really. But I'm not saying I'm happy with my job right now. It's just...you know, I need to make a living and put some experience in my resume.

My other BeST colleagues were biotech graduate, most couldn't find job till now. I don't know the exact problem but from their story they're focusing too much in research field. I bet they also don't know what they want to research at. they just want to continue from what they've done for their thesis. there's one time when we're having an impromptu meeting during BeST program about what field in research we want to commercialized if given a chance. and they keep telling about field that related to their final year project (and yes...most their FYP are in the same area of research).

what i want to say is don't limit your skills to certain knowledge only. During BeST program, we've been exposed to sooooo many area of biotech that can be explore. So, you couldn't get a job in let's say tissue culture related work, doesn't mean you don't have any other choice. Just explore any opportunity you have. Maybe, your interest will change after experiencing new field in what you specialized at.
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For this field, better get a postgraduate degree and work as a researcher. Bachelor won't do much for you.
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WHere do u work as a researcher? There are no companies hiring u as researcher in malaysia.

The only path u can go after phd is lecturer and its equivalent to researcher. Unless your researcher means working as research officer under your lecturer. That would be stupid since u can be the lecturer instead of the worker.


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I kinda regret taking biotech too sad.gif. hard to find job and normally end up getting a non-related job.

I've been switching from Medical Lab Tech from a local healthcare company to QA in a local food manufacturing company. Meanwhile, I am also doing part-time teaching and I enjoy teaching kids. Now, I am having a second thought of finding another sales job to gain more exposure as I feel I am wasting time in my current co. learning and doing nth much here. sigh T.T
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QUOTE(yeongyunsee @ Sep 20 2011, 03:35 PM)
I kinda regret taking biotech too sad.gif. hard to find job and normally end up getting a non-related job.

I've been switching from Medical Lab Tech from a local healthcare company to QA in a local food manufacturing company. Meanwhile, I am also doing part-time teaching and I enjoy teaching kids. Now, I am having a second thought of finding another sales job to gain more exposure as I feel I am wasting time in my current co. learning and doing nth much here. sigh T.T
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it is ok, many having the same situation like u.

my fren also grad from biotech but end up be production planner doh.gif
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Sep 20 2011, 11:55 AM)
Hmm.

I'm just wondering, what are the general challenges biotech graduates are currently facing now when applying for jobs? So far from the posts, what I've gathered are:

(i)  Not enough research posts
(ii)  Few known biotech companies in Malaysia
(iii) Money not enough (i.e. low pay)
(iv) Companies not hiring because not "specialized" degree/relevant skill-sets

Any thing else? Please do add to the list, if any.

As far as I know, there are 364 biotech companies in Malaysia, and another 3 more MNCs will be added to that list by 2012. Those listed on BiotechCorp's website are only the 188 companies with 'BioNexus' status, and are mostly pioneering companies, rather than mature ones. If you use that list as a basis of finding biotech-related jobs, then the chances for disappointment is comparatively higher.

This is my personal experience in the Malaysian biotech industry:

After graduating from Monash in 2006, I was initially hired by a phytopharma company. The job was very different from what I specialized in (developmental genetics), and so I decided to leave the company at the end of my 3-month probation period. Partly, it was due to a job offer I received from a Dutch-Malaysian company to be their plant breeder/seed technologist. As of October 2010, I've joined another company involved with the biotech industry as an intelligence officer. Just for information sake, my salary has made the following progression: RM1,800 => RM2,200 - RM 3,000 => RM3,300. It is low, but that's just my taxable salary. My remuneration package (which is largely non-taxable) makes my total income a lot more higher, eg. guaranteed "hardship" pay of RM10,000 or minimum 6-months salaray a year; free housing and utility; non-taxable subsidies amounting to RM200-RM300 a month etc. In addition, for a person who is classified as a "knowledge worker", there are tax rebates to enjoy. The nett result is my real income is closer to RM4,000 - RM5,000 a month.
Admittedly, being more business-oriented, the level of fundamental research for the 364-odd companies are lower. Also, companies moving from SME-status to mature status tend to be very picky and particular about the kind of skill-sets and training local graduates posses. I'm not sure how many graduates are aware about the Biotechnology Entreprenuership Special Training Program (BeST), but just as well to note it here. It is a 6-month intense training program aimed at preparing graduates for the local biotech industry needs. Usually, graduates are attached with an industry partner, which may be local or foreign (including overseas training), and most often, trainees gain job offers after completing the training stint at those companies/agencies. Since 2007 till end 2010, 1,040 graduates have opted to go through the program, with 650 of them securing jobs, while the rest them going on to develop start-ups within and outside Malaysia, or continuing with further studies.
I recall coming across someone mentioning that biotech is a "specialized" field. I would like to clarify that "biotech" is not actually a field of its own, but rather a conglomeration of various fields. And yes, a "biotech" graduate can hardly be considered a specialist in any one field. But I would add that a biotech graduate should also be more capable of looking at the bigger picture, of how to link different fields together in a synergistic fashion. For instance, a boiler engineer would likely know how to build stack fermentors, calibrate those fermentors etc., but would likely know little about optimising cell activity, input/output efficiency, biocontrol and metabolic rates etc. Likewise, a chemist might have a better understanding about chemical reactions and synthesization, but likely know little about mechanical assembly etc. The lack of knowledge in the other field does not affect the specific role of those workers, but it does affect the overall work efficiency and productivity of the business entity. This is were the "biotechnologist" comes in: as a coordinator and synergiser of those overlapping fields, a sort of "go-between". Biotechnology is an applied science after all.
I would like to add the comments from some biotech companies about our local graduates. These are MNCs and some local players; most of them admit that local graduates do have good knowledge of the sciences, but lack applicable skills or are too academic instead of industry-poised. Personally, I've been involved with the training of local biotech graduates when they came for BeST training in my previous company, and from first-hand experience, I can vouche for the legitimacy of these comments. Most of the graduates I've trained start-off with the wrong impression about biotechnology. As I've mentioned before, biotechnology is an applied science (i.e. research AND development), but most seem to have the idea that it is a fundamental science (i.e. all about research). Maybe it is also the fault of the universities that produced the graduates, but almost every graduate I've encountered wants to do fundamental research only, rather than finding ways of commercializing research findings. As for "Biotech not as good as government said", I must add this: Malaysia has achieved in less that a decade what other countries have been working on for 30 years or more. Even today, a very large component of US and EU biotech companies are still start-ups, with very few percentage of mature companies; and the biotech industry there started 50-60 years ago. Biotech in India started in the 1980s, and only today are these companies attaining some level of maturity and profitability. Yes, admittedly, certain quarters have over-hyped the biotech industry in Malaysia, but it does not mean the industry is all gloom and doom. The industry is growing at a rate of between 15%-20% per annum (depending on sector), with most of the growth being in healthcare biotech and industrial biotech. It is one of the country's fastest growing economic area, and is likely to overtake other sectors in the very near future.
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All I can say is that the local university did not prepare biotech graduates for the entrepreneurship. Being a freelance tech support, I do find that most of the graduates are lacking of research skills as well. This problem only arise due to the lack of quality training from the universities.
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difference between a science gradute and a business graduate (from my point of view):

when in college/university, science students
1. have to pay high tuition fees for all the expensive lab usage and equipments
2. not having enough sleep because have to do lots of lots of lab reports and assignments
3. do revision memorizing the keywords in textbook, but still hardly score A for exam

business students
1. relatively paying lesser tuition fees than science courses
2. not having enough sleep because no much assignments and hangout all day with friends till midnight
3. start doing revision just 1 week/1 day before the exam and manage to score A for most of the subjects

and this imba continues when science graduate have to work for low pay + long working hours + high stress job,
while business graduate can have high pay + normal working hours + off on weekends + have a life

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Adrian:

I agree with you in part. It is true, local institutions do not provide adequate training for industry specification. But it is also attitude. Attitude on the part of the students, and also the trainers. Some students are really keen to learn, but there are also quite a large proportion who only do what they feel like doing.

Example: You want to get involved in agriculture, then you got to be ready to get in the dirt, walk under the blazing sun, get soaked in the rain. You might be a science student, but if you do not what happens in the field, you will never be a good agriculture scientist.

Also, a very sickening attitude amongst many industry members is their "tidak-apa" attitude towards training. To many of them, a trainee is more of a burden than an opportunity to nurture a future leader. A very recent comment I received from a supposedly high-level agency, "Industrial training students ah? We usually don't have time for them, so we let them do the little-little unimportant things. Anyway, they are only here for a few months."

Fortunately, some aspects are beginning to change. I've had some recent graduates come up to me with very sharp questions and ideas; in addition, we're seeing more industry members being open to really training students for industry needs. There could still be some measure of hope yet.

Bellarina:

Someone in the forum had stated, "companies don't pay scientists well". Firstly, if I remember correctly, the pursuit of science used to be about the enrichment of knowledge and the advancement of the human race, not so much about money and fame. It is only since the last 40-50 years when big corporations started sponsoring science that every scientific pursuit had to bring with it some kind of commercial value. Personally, and this is just my opinion, if a person prefers chasing after money, then science may not be for them regardless of how good they are at it. If they still want to pursure science, and make big money, then they really need to find a way to merge the two in order to succeed.

I don't know which business grads you are citing, but those I know put in 14 hours a day at work, including weekends. And they come up with applicable, real-life immediate solutions for the companies they work with, instead of theorectical "potential" solutions. That's the only reason I find which earns them their 5-figure salaries.

Knight:

Spot on. Do a 2-dollar job, get a 2-dollar pay. Also, one needs to compare apples-to-apples. Can't say an apple is lousy just because it isn't as juicy as a watermelon.



Someone once came up to me with a statement, "Mike, you know in Australia, there are jobs where your sole duty is to push buttons, and you get paid AUS$4,000 a month". I had to remind the guy that although that is true, and the job may seem simple enough, but just imagine for a moment the consequences if something goes wrong. The responsibility of the "guy who pushes the buttons" is very high, and if things do go wrong, and they do, it is his head on the chopping block. Worse, as the job is perceived as "simple", who is going to hire him once word gets out that he can't even do a "simple" job?
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Hello guys, I've been reading the posts here for the last two pages, I've been offered a scholarship in Biotechnology in Taylor's University, I am wondering though, since Malaysia does not offer a very good job opportunity, which is unfortunate. Is there anyone here that anyone of you all working in Canada with a Biotech grad in the Biotech field?
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Nov 11 2011, 11:26 PM)
Hello guys, I've been reading the posts here for the last two pages, I've been offered a scholarship in Biotechnology in Taylor's University, I am wondering though, since Malaysia does not offer a very good job opportunity, which is unfortunate. Is there anyone here that anyone of you all working in Canada with a Biotech grad in the Biotech field?
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JPA scholarship to Canada for biotech?
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QUOTE(Genzyme @ Feb 22 2012, 04:05 AM)
JPA scholarship to Canada for biotech?
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Nay, if JPA I wouldn't be asking about working in Canada now would I? It's an internal scholarship by Taylor's.. decided to reject it.
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My sister graduate from South Australian univ in biomedical science on scholarship and came back malaysia. Now in a mnc here as microbiologist going to specialize in a field soon. You want to be in this field. You need to know which univ to be in. Not simply any mak cik univ also can. If you go lousy univ, sure you won't be able to compete with those grad from oversea, probably getting lousy pay? Employer in this field look at your univ first only your degree. True story.

 

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