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SUSFenris Wolf
post May 24 2010, 10:02 PM

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the work of doing your master and phd is the experience it self. Do u think the company can find experience ppl so easily in malaysia? If got also company willing take experience bachelor degree or fresh master/phd?
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post May 24 2010, 10:03 PM

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good news people..!!

i just came back from a launching at iskandar...

they require at least 2000 biotechnologist by 2012!!!

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post May 24 2010, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Fenris Wolf @ May 24 2010, 10:02 PM)
the work of doing your master and phd is the experience it self. Do u think the company can find experience ppl so easily in malaysia? If got also company willing take experience bachelor degree or fresh master/phd?
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by the way.. hope u take note tht study master o phd is nt an easy task.. gt a friend of mine doing ptc for master do nt complete it.. n sum of my local uni friends also take ard 3-5 yrs to complete it.. depends on your supervisor n ur own effort.. if gt.. da company in m'sia will hire with a experience want


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QUOTE(zstan @ May 24 2010, 10:03 PM)
good news people..!!

i just came back from a launching at iskandar...

they require at least 2000 biotechnologist by 2012!!!
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r u a staff o u juz a visitor to da iskandar at johor?? do u surf da iskandar website n c wat race conquer the upper management at iskandar??

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post May 24 2010, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 24 2010, 10:03 PM)
good news people..!!

i just came back from a launching at iskandar...

they require at least 2000 biotechnologist by 2012!!!
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any more convincing proof than just saying they need 2000 biotechnologist?
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post May 25 2010, 12:09 AM

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@xavier
i am one of the exhibitors...so what has upper management gotta do with the number of biotechnologist required?

@fenris wolf
there is this region called the SiLC where they will be focusing on R & D in biotech work. 2000 is just a rough figure. one of the top people from khazanah told me...if they could not get 2000+ ppl to handle the plants/labs..they afraid the whole project might fall apart...

if u want black n white proof then i am sorry..no..

but i just want give some hope to biotech graduates....that all is not lost...=)
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post May 25 2010, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(rach_ @ May 24 2010, 02:13 PM)
Hi, sorry if I made you misunderstand. I am referring to cherlynIN's post:

"hey well i m the postgraduate of the biotech, so it is true that it damn hard to get a job in biotech relate field after those biotech postgraduate student graduate. I thought they say that our government are encourage the develop of biotech industry in m'sia? Frankly i m kinda of scared after c what u guy said"

I just wanna say it is a need to survey for the job market before you decide something, for example furthering your studies. There is no point in going to phd just because "most of my friends did it". And then got scared after realizing there are limited job offers.
I did life science because I love it, without checking out its job opportunities, job scope,.....etc. I regretted for not thinking thorough enough before I took my degree. But at the end of the day, I never regret taking my course because I found my passion and love in science. The dream of changing the world into a better place, environmental-wise or medical-wise, is still in us science graduates, no matter how stupid it sounds to others.

I think we all life science graduates should have more confidence in ourselves and all the knowledge we have, even if we have to do sales or pathology lab assistants to feed ourselves for the time being, we shouldn't let our dreams die. We should keep learning and updating ourselves, read journals and science news even if you've left the university, the passion is very important!
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Ummm u said it right, but i never regret with what the choice i had made and i never follow my friend path. All the time, i think that biotech are the one that always play the noble role in life science field. Even when sometime u don't even care what other think while other look at biotech as if like a crap, u still cont on ur dream. But u do scare when all other are ready to look at how u going to fail while u do really had all the passion and convince in doing all the hardwork u had work on all this time but in the end u find out the result going to be zero, frankly u do freak out.
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QUOTE(zstan @ May 25 2010, 12:09 AM)
@xavier
i am one of the exhibitors...so what has upper management gotta do with the number of biotechnologist required?

@fenris wolf
there is this region called the SiLC where they will be focusing on R & D in biotech work. 2000 is just a rough figure. one of the top people from khazanah told me...if they could not get 2000+ ppl to handle the plants/labs..they afraid the whole project might fall apart...

if u want black n white proof then i am sorry..no..

but i just want give some hope to biotech graduates....that all is not lost...=)
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ya.. it gt to do wif it becoz tht race of ppl onli juz say but no action have been done.. if nt, y m'sia still haven't develop in da biotech field?? y dey r many biotech grads still can't job n hav to switch field?? u mentioned 2000++ ppl, u say it was mentioned by top people fr khazanah rite?? thn wich race conquer the top management?? n u say no relate at all.. if no relate, i tink u also would nt knw da "2000++" biotechnologist.. for eg.. da government do say it nid alot of doctor in sarawak.. u knw y dey mention it?? dey wan to attract ppl to vote for them becoz dey are da one hav da capabilities to employ ppl.. last but not least, i hope wat u mention about da amount of biotechnologist is true and being rude for some phrases tht i mentioned juz nw becoz juz felt tired wif the government...
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QUOTE(cherlynIN @ May 25 2010, 03:32 AM)
Ummm u said it right, but i never regret with what the choice i had made and i never follow my friend path. All the time, i think that biotech are the one that always play the noble role in life science field. Even when sometime u don't even care what other think while other look at biotech as if like a crap, u still cont on ur  dream. But u do scare when all other are ready to look at how u going to fail while u do really had all the passion and convince in doing all the hardwork u had work on all this time but in the end u find out the result going to be zero, frankly u do freak out.
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I guess I can tell you how much I understand the feeling. My father kept hinting me to go for medicine or engineering since I finished STPM. Until the day I completed my honours project, he was still saying I was too ignorant and stubborn to go choose something so "useless". For 3 months I was depressed, I sent out nearly hundred of emails for job applications and got nothing, providing that I got my degree in Aus, it was even more stressful to have spend so much money and not getting a job. Now I am working, and my dad finally shuts up and stops worrying and let me do what I wanna do.

So the hard times won't last long, so don't worry, but stay alert with the job market all over the world. All the best.
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post May 25 2010, 09:30 AM

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what is SiLC?
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post May 25 2010, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Fenris Wolf @ May 25 2010, 09:30 AM)
what is SiLC?
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Google - wikipedia
"Southern Industrial and Logistics Clusters (SiLC) - SiLC is a 1,372 acre (5.6 km²) industrial park with close proximity to two international airports and cargo hubs as well as four seaports both in Johor and Singapore is a value-adding advantage. As an international gateway, this key logistical factor adds soaring value to the business activities of industry players."
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post May 25 2010, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(xaviereo @ May 24 2010, 09:50 PM)
wat i try to mention here is biotech de company require a more specific skills u hav like microbiology, molecular biology o plant tissue culture.. for master grad to enter a job in m'sia market, da company will look for a experience ppl rather thn u a fresh master grad..
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I agreed with what you say. It's really depend on what skills you gain during the project. but, what i have to say is that not all the biotech courses offered good final year projects for the student. depend on the grant and the university. but, i will still think that there is also a chance for fresh grad to get a job,provided that there are company who want to train you into that field. I would say these companies is hard to find. but just keep searching. Like what i said,even someone got the interview, doesn't mean that i got the offer. Unless,you really force by life, you have burden, than, you really have to grab up any job that offer to you.Most of the fresh grad,they simply enter any field, because they want moneys. But, i doesn't deny they are wrong, because those fields really can be earn alot compared to people who really want to be a scientist. i am still alright at the moment, and i cannot deny that i might follow their path if i really can't get what i want. JUst hope that i can be the lucky one to be chosen to train by company. The purpose i open this thread is to let Biotech student or fresh grad to be get prepared that what they will be facing after graduated. And hope that people who really lucky to got a job in science fields can give some advise,and experience for them as a guidelines.
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post May 25 2010, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(xaviereo @ May 25 2010, 07:43 AM)
ya.. it gt to do wif it becoz tht race of ppl onli juz say but no action have been done.. if nt, y m'sia still haven't develop in da biotech field?? y dey r many biotech grads still can't job n hav to switch field?? u mentioned 2000++ ppl, u say it was mentioned by top people fr khazanah rite?? thn wich race conquer the top management?? n u say no relate at all.. if no relate, i tink u also would nt knw da "2000++" biotechnologist.. for eg.. da government do say it nid alot of doctor in sarawak.. u knw y dey mention it?? dey wan to attract ppl to vote for them becoz dey are da one hav da capabilities to employ ppl.. last but not least, i hope wat u mention about da amount of biotechnologist is true and being rude for some phrases tht i mentioned juz nw becoz juz felt tired wif the government...
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because malaysia still don have the necessary labs and so on to start with...

and u say many...can give some rough figures?...cause if biotechnologist compared with doctors....its still less..correct me if i am wrong.. laugh.gif

u can't compare the problem with biotech and doc la bro..

in sarawak..nobody wants to go there cause there so ulu(although the iskandar region also in the middle of no where)...and there are already plenty of jobs for doctors in semenanjung...so why bother going there?

for biotech is diff..whole malaysia every corner also not enough biotech ppl...biotech graduates cannot find good jobs..most of them go to fields unrelated to biotech..for doctor..no matter how..most of the time u still got job to do...

but if u ask me what exactly are those 2000+ going to do at iskandar..i really can't answer u la..

in general would be more research...but in a more suitable environment and hpefully, better pay.
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QUOTE(zstan @ May 25 2010, 03:11 PM)
because malaysia still don have the necessary labs and so on to start with...

and u say many...can give some rough figures?...cause if biotechnologist compared with doctors....its still less..correct me if i am wrong.. laugh.gif

u can't compare the problem with biotech and doc la bro..

in sarawak..nobody wants to go there cause there so ulu(although the iskandar region also in the middle of no where)...and there are already plenty of jobs for doctors in semenanjung...so why bother going there?

for biotech is diff..whole malaysia every corner also not enough biotech ppl...biotech graduates cannot find good jobs..most of them go to fields unrelated to biotech..for doctor..no matter how..most of the time u still got job to do...

but if u ask me what exactly are those 2000+ going to do at iskandar..i really can't answer u la..

in general would be more research...but in a more suitable environment and hpefully, better pay.
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u can post a thread ask hw many ppl r nw doing biotech related jobs after their studies.. smile.gif but for wat i knw, da amount of ppl tht do relate wif biotech (exclude sales) r much lesser thn doctor.. a fresh grad doctor can go housemanship for their training in diff department n thn onli dey choose wat dey wan to specialize.. wich is diff fr a grad fr biotech..


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QUOTE(Bravo Fashion Trends @ May 25 2010, 03:03 PM)
I agreed with what you say. It's really depend on what skills you gain during the project. but, what i have to say is that not all the biotech courses offered good final year projects for the student. depend on the grant and the university. but, i will still think that there is also a chance for fresh grad to get a job,provided that there are company who want to train you into that field. I would say these companies is hard to find. but just keep searching. Like what i said,even someone got the interview, doesn't mean that i got the offer. Unless,you really force by life, you have burden, than, you really have to grab up any job that offer to you.Most of the fresh grad,they simply enter any field, because they want moneys. But, i doesn't deny they are wrong, because those fields really can be earn alot compared to people who really want to be a scientist. i am still alright at the moment, and i cannot deny that i might follow their path if i really can't get what i want. JUst hope that i can be the lucky one to be chosen to train by company. The purpose i open this thread is to let Biotech student or fresh grad to be get prepared that what they will be facing after graduated. And hope that people who  really lucky to got a job in science fields can give some advise,and experience for them as a guidelines.
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ya u r definitely rite... whn i grad tht time at da end of 2008.. tht time u can c da vacancy for biotech relate (include chemistry, food tech n etc) at jobstreet r few onli.. i hav to make a temporary decision by working at engineering company.. after accumulate some money in my saving, thn i onli quit da job.. i wait til 3 months ++ until i found my dis new job.. i hope wat sztan said about da iskandar will b true..


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QUOTE(rach_ @ May 25 2010, 08:43 AM)
I guess I can tell you how much I understand the feeling. My father kept hinting me to go for medicine or engineering since I finished STPM. Until the day I completed my honours project, he was still saying I was too ignorant and stubborn to go choose something so "useless". For 3 months I was depressed, I sent out nearly hundred of emails for job applications and got nothing, providing that I got my degree in Aus, it was even more stressful to have spend so much money and not getting a job.  Now I am working, and my dad finally shuts up and stops worrying and let me do what I wanna do.

So the hard times won't last long, so don't worry, but stay alert with the job market all over the world. All the best.
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no u r nt useless.. u juz study on wat u interested.. i hope in da near future da science field market will generate more income to our country n hopefully da salary for science field related post will increase as well.. as i mentioned earlier, passion n effort r two important elements whn u r working..

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post May 25 2010, 10:00 PM

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to be honest, iskandar project doesnt look to bright either. Another gimmick by the gov to boost the economy temporarily.
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QUOTE(cutejams2004 @ May 25 2010, 10:00 PM)
to be honest, iskandar project doesnt look to bright either. Another gimmick by the gov to boost the economy temporarily.
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haha..can't blame u...

u didn't see the actual thing n those lands with ur own eyes....


but i am a bit worried though...

stock market is not looking good..............................................
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QUOTE(cutejams2004 @ May 25 2010, 10:00 PM)
to be honest, iskandar project doesnt look to bright either. Another gimmick by the gov to boost the economy temporarily.
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ya.. i agree wif u.. da government r saying indah khabar dari rupa onli.. say onli.. but i reali hope tht da government will tink carefully.. say wan to increase ppl salary but in da same time.. increase fuel n current.. so gt any diff.. da government reali funny..
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they dont need to increase salary, they need to reduce the prices of things out there. And that can only be done by stabilizing the economy back. Else, increasing the salary would be useless if the prices of goods keep increasing as well.
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QUOTE(cutejams2004 @ May 26 2010, 10:05 PM)
they dont need to increase salary, they need to reduce the prices of things out there. And that can only be done by stabilizing the economy back. Else, increasing the salary would be useless if the prices of goods keep increasing as well.
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agree.. n decrease da ceo, coo all da m n o words postion in da company de salary... standardize it.. ahaha.. important is da consumer product price...
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Can anyone in biotech who is currently doing biotech-related jobs tell what really a company wants. A fren of mine did bioinformatics even till master. he can programme very-very well. he got many interviews but still they say he lack skills. what skill actually? still he could not get jobs in biotech related company.

Another fren got so frustrated searched a job in Europe and now working in Germany receiving 3.5k EURO. He was a fresh graduate with no exp from UKM (who says local grads got no class).
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QUOTE(hypeborea @ May 26 2010, 11:03 PM)
Can anyone in biotech who is currently doing biotech-related jobs tell what really a company wants. A fren of mine did bioinformatics even till master. he can programme very-very well. he got many interviews but still they say he lack skills. what skill actually? still he could not get jobs in biotech related company.

Another fren got so frustrated searched a job in Europe and now working in Germany receiving 3.5k EURO. He was a fresh graduate with no exp from UKM (who says local grads got no class).
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work at germany?? wah.. nt bad ma.. ermm.. i biotech also but specialize at plant tissue culture, will start work at mnc (japanese plant tissue culture company) at sg jawi.. bioinfo.. i tink if nt mistaken, kl gt two companies onli.. one is MGRC another i forgot da name ady.. hmm.. a friend of mine also work at MGRC.. during interview, my friend told me tht gt iq quiz de.. i dun knw wat is ur friend company name??

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