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Lyn Djing, Turntablism & Production Thread v4, A place for dj cum producers to hang out
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darthbii
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Jun 3 2014, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(hanleon @ Jun 3 2014, 09:46 AM) @darthbii Most likely consists of a kick drum, snare, noises of all kinds. There are hundreds of sample packs available online (free and paid) that people take and use to create electronic music. The variety is infinite when you take into account the many ways you can add FX to a simple kick drum, making it into something completely different sounding. hmm...well then. I asked that question because I'm keen on learning to create my own sounds but without a starting reference to know what kind of sounds to create, I don't know how to apply all that knowledge. maybe I should look into tuts where they build an entire track from scratch and see what sounds they use then (but it will be a tough job keeping me occupied for hours lol)
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hanleon
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Jun 4 2014, 01:21 PM
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@darthbii I'd suggest starting by using a sample pack as a good foundation of production skills. I'm sure you can warp the samples enough that it can form the basis of your 'sound'. At least then you can get the hang of production without having too much information overload.
Producing a song can take many months of effort, especially if you're a newbie. Really, take advantage of sample packs and try building a song using just samples. That can teach you song structure and composing. After that you can add in effects on each sample and see how the song changes.
of course these are just my two cents, you can try doing everything from scratch if you so choose.
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darthbii
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Jun 4 2014, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(hanleon @ Jun 4 2014, 01:21 PM) @darthbii I'd suggest starting by using a sample pack as a good foundation of production skills. I'm sure you can warp the samples enough that it can form the basis of your 'sound'. At least then you can get the hang of production without having too much information overload. Producing a song can take many months of effort, especially if you're a newbie. Really, take advantage of sample packs and try building a song using just samples. That can teach you song structure and composing. After that you can add in effects on each sample and see how the song changes. of course these are just my two cents, you can try doing everything from scratch if you so choose. most probably I might start with a few sample pack synths and throw in some original sounds then. yeah, but as they said, once you've got a song produce the next so won't be that stressful lol. actually i tried thinking that i should make my own sounds because considering i see newbies getting flamed for sticking too much samples, loops and premade synths, but i think mixing and matching might do the trick, thanks for the suggestion.  hope to learn some sound design ASAP. This post has been edited by darthbii: Jun 4 2014, 03:15 PM
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Choongster
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Jun 6 2014, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(Phsycoidiot @ Jun 2 2014, 12:54 PM) I want to be able to mix the whole band. Because right now, all the XLR is connected to the existing mixer and can't be stretched You got no access to the behringer ?
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takalimc
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Jun 9 2014, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(darthbii @ Jun 4 2014, 03:15 PM) most probably I might start with a few sample pack synths and throw in some original sounds then. yeah, but as they said, once you've got a song produce the next so won't be that stressful lol. actually i tried thinking that i should make my own sounds because considering i see newbies getting flamed for sticking too much samples, loops and premade synths, but i think mixing and matching might do the trick, thanks for the suggestion.  hope to learn some sound design ASAP. start with samples and learn to tweek them. Use layering and adjust with your creativity the eq/efx/mastering. If you are worried about being flamed then this probably isnt the best industry for you because people are getting flamed over everything left right and center (even for big producers like nicky romero, avicii, porter robinson, etc). If you're planning to come with your own bassline using the operator, you should go for some classes or watch loads of tuts on how to layer the kick or the bass, if not you'd probably end up with a track that doesnt give you the "Uumph" that you want, hence overloading yourself and giving up quickly because of the time and effort invested with a not very nice outcome. Recommendation is to stick to samples first and learn how to do basic arrangements to get used to it. From there you'll be able to know what you're looking for.
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takalimc
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Jun 9 2014, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(hanleon @ Jun 2 2014, 12:13 PM) You'll most likely have to find a way to get your output from your board into the existing board input. Not sure how you will do that as I have no experience linking boards. Probably set existing board EQ at all flat, then connect your board into a channel? Either that or bring a lot of XLR cables and extend the XLR's from the existing booth all the way to where you want to set up. In any case, plan to be there super early to set up, test, and make sure everything works to your satisfaction. I don't think you can do the eq and mixing from another mixer that your instruments are not plugged into. Unless you connect the instruments micing to your new mixer and output into the old mixer to go to the house? Not too sure. I've seen how people adjust their system using iPad apps but not too sure how that works. In order to do the mixing you'll need to control each channel individually to get the right balance, you cant mix the output as a whole unless you just wan to control the volumes and the overall eq in a mono or stereo output.
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darthbii
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Jun 10 2014, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(takalimc @ Jun 9 2014, 10:58 AM) start with samples and learn to tweek them. Use layering and adjust with your creativity the eq/efx/mastering. If you are worried about being flamed then this probably isnt the best industry for you because people are getting flamed over everything left right and center (even for big producers like nicky romero, avicii, porter robinson, etc). If you're planning to come with your own bassline using the operator, you should go for some classes or watch loads of tuts on how to layer the kick or the bass, if not you'd probably end up with a track that doesnt give you the "Uumph" that you want, hence overloading yourself and giving up quickly because of the time and effort invested with a not very nice outcome. Recommendation is to stick to samples first and learn how to do basic arrangements to get used to it. From there you'll be able to know what you're looking for. Ok noted with that. Well, what are your recommendations for sample packs? Also, I don't get what you mean at the bassline part  . Hmm... classes? Idk, but I see most classes for production are real expensive  .
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takalimc
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Jun 10 2014, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(darthbii @ Jun 10 2014, 04:24 PM) Ok noted with that. Well, what are your recommendations for sample packs? Also, I don't get what you mean at the bassline part  . Hmm... classes? Idk, but I see most classes for production are real expensive  . I used ableton before to try a go at production from scratch. So I used this plugin called an operator to make my kick drum and bass line. http://www.musictech.net/2013/07/ableton-l...orial-operator/Sample packs you can look for VEC has some decent sounds in there or FL studio comes with some pretty decent build ins. These should be easy to start exploring and finding a sound you like. You could buy some from practically anywhere online. Google and beatport are ur best friend. Classes is something you get what you paid for. It's a short cut and you'll have someone to refer to when you're unsure of anything. If you're really into it, I'm sure a little investment will be worth while
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darthbii
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Jun 10 2014, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(takalimc @ Jun 10 2014, 04:36 PM) I used ableton before to try a go at production from scratch. So I used this plugin called an operator to make my kick drum and bass line. http://www.musictech.net/2013/07/ableton-l...orial-operator/Sample packs you can look for VEC has some decent sounds in there or FL studio comes with some pretty decent build ins. These should be easy to start exploring and finding a sound you like. You could buy some from practically anywhere online. Google and beatport are ur best friend. Classes is something you get what you paid for. It's a short cut and you'll have someone to refer to when you're unsure of anything. If you're really into it, I'm sure a little investment will be worth while  Oh now it makes sense. I don't really like Ableton, much prefer FL. Thanks for the sample pack suggestion. Hmm..maybe I should see how far my interest goes in this lol, if it does then might go for some classes.
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takalimc
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Jun 11 2014, 06:20 PM
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Alright discussion time!
Is alcohol important in a party? Can the music be as enjoyable without the alcohol?
I for one get edgy and nervous when I play sober, but I dont think it's compulsory to make the party ABOUT the alcohol.
What do you guys think?
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hanleon
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Jun 12 2014, 12:19 PM
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I think it's pretty important to have some kind of party-starter. Playing out sober is perfectly fine (and in fact is the ideal state of mind to perform), but the majority of people who party need something to loosen their inhibitions to really dance and let loose. Plus it helps a lot that music sounds soooo much better high (on anything).
However I also don't think parties should be all about the alcohol. It's more about the people you party with and the adventures you have together. This means it's important to have booze, but more important to have a great atmosphere for people to have fun.
Give me a party with crazy people having fun on alcohol over a bunch of hipsters barely bopping their heads messaging constantly on their phones any day. Booze has a way of making people stop thinking about impressing others, and instead enjoy living the moment!
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takalimc
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Jun 12 2014, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(hanleon @ Jun 12 2014, 12:19 PM) I think it's pretty important to have some kind of party-starter. Playing out sober is perfectly fine (and in fact is the ideal state of mind to perform), but the majority of people who party need something to loosen their inhibitions to really dance and let loose. Plus it helps a lot that music sounds soooo much better high (on anything). However I also don't think parties should be all about the alcohol. It's more about the people you party with and the adventures you have together. This means it's important to have booze, but more important to have a great atmosphere for people to have fun. Give me a party with crazy people having fun on alcohol over a bunch of hipsters barely bopping their heads messaging constantly on their phones any day. Booze has a way of making people stop thinking about impressing others, and instead enjoy living the moment! Well said. I think any party can be awesome if you go with the right crowd. Of course the alcohol would be a boost, but I've been to alcohol free parties that was just awesome and also alcohol centered parties that just didnt work out... @Hanleon You think it'd work out to run a lowyat night out? Ever happened before?
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hanleon
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Jun 13 2014, 12:08 PM
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I have never heard of a lowyat night out, but then again I don't really go to any of the other forums on lowyat. It would be something fun to do though  EDIT: By the way I just stumbled across http://www.djbolivia.ca/videos.html on the DJ Reddit. This site is FREAKING AMAZING! A huuuuuge series of tutorials on DJing and production. Check it out! This post has been edited by hanleon: Jun 13 2014, 05:16 PM
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hanleon
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Jul 2 2014, 01:33 PM
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@takalimc I don't have a set of CDJs handy to use for it, and maybe my music isn't quite appropriate ^^" mostly deep/tech house these days
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takalimc
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Jul 3 2014, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(hanleon @ Jul 2 2014, 01:33 PM) @takalimc I don't have a set of CDJs handy to use for it, and maybe my music isn't quite appropriate ^^" mostly deep/tech house these days well no harm submitting and trying  There's no limitation to genres though they do require you to mix 3 genres in the finals if you're selected. It'd be a good experience  I didnt go far last year only the semis but I met alot of great people and learnt from the finalists different styles of mixing and other skills and ideas that I would never have thought of. You could submit and give it a go and if you make it then you make it, if not then at least you know you tried  I doubt i'll get through though cause got a number of comments that my mix was a little draggy but ah well hoping for a free flight
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darthbii
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Jul 3 2014, 11:17 PM
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welp. i still don't get when i should drop my next track over the next track playing. it always ends up messy. btw, i would like to ask, what do djs normally do when they have one track successfully phrase matched? do they immediately play the next track? or do they wait for a mix point? just curious though because when i have one out, i don't know what to do next haha.
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takalimc
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Jul 4 2014, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(darthbii @ Jul 3 2014, 11:17 PM) welp. i still don't get when i should drop my next track over the next track playing. it always ends up messy. btw, i would like to ask, what do djs normally do when they have one track successfully phrase matched? do they immediately play the next track? or do they wait for a mix point? just curious though because when i have one out, i don't know what to do next haha. Sorry it's too early in the morning and I'm not understanding your question... can put it in early morning (lazy Friday) language?
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darthbii
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Jul 4 2014, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(takalimc @ Jul 4 2014, 10:08 AM) Sorry it's too early in the morning and I'm not understanding your question... can put it in early morning (lazy Friday) language?  hmmm k then. like when DJs have a track played right, what do DJs normally do next? wait there for a mix point to come in and then start the next song? or something else?
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