btw my references are ppl who are once listed in who's who in this world..check it out...

i am not belittling my creditability...or yours.

Hi mwtang,

If I am not mistaken, you claimed that you have 20 years' working experience in Malaysia. If that is true, you should be well known in Malaysia. This is a very small country and IT community is very small. In that case, why do you need to put up any reference??

Dreamer

mate u got the wrong guy, never once i claimed to have 20 yrs of expierence...
btw, i am not in the IT community...
putting reference for me is to show that

1. I want the HRor the interviewers to know more from my previous boss on the jobs i have done.

2. salary justification

3. shows that i am capable and flexible, its not easy to ask the MD of a big firm to be in your panel.

btw, cheer up mate, i am just expressing my thoughts and religuishing my expierence .

as i put it before, i have no control or speech set for my MDs to say anything, if they feel i am not capable for the job i am interviewing, so be it.

Hi,

Am I correct to assume that you got your degree from UK??

I am just giving you my honest opinion from an Americanized person and how would an American MNC will react.

Dreamer

UK ? Ulu Klang ? hehehehe nah...
I agree american MNCs would react such a way but this is malaysia.
As you know the business culture here is not something to be proud of but hey, i have to make a living.

cheers

Hi,

In general , Malaysia is such a small country that in almost any profession, after you reach certain level of seniority, people will know you or someone that know you. There is only a few degree of separation between almost anyone in the profession.

If the MD likes you, he/she will not only be your reference. They could call up/contact the relevant person in your future employer and get you hired. With that kind of connection, you will only fill up the job application form after you are hired.

And, that kind of stuff had happened to me before for a few times.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 25 2005, 09:57 PM

hmmm.....true but i yet to have such moments. hehehe

so far, the comments were good and i appreciate it.

Hey,
I got this example from another site. I want to know if its ok to end my cover letter something like this:

Aware of my lacking experience, I determine to learn faster, work harder and commit more so that I can quickly come up to speed in making profit to your company. One benefit of having lack experience is I haven't learnt any bad habits that other applicants may have acquired; therefore I will only do it in YOUR WAY as thats the only way I'll know.

One thing these pieces of paper can't show you is that I'm a NICE guy. Really! I know you need someone who has emotional intelligence, and works and communicates courteously with other team members -- that's me. With this in mind, I would welcome the opportunity for an interview so I can meet you face to face and get a better idea on what you're looking for and for you to see how I might 'FIT' into your company.

wow.... something different...

Hi,

Let's start with the basic fact. The person who is reading this letter is a stranger. He/she does not know anything about you. You can say whatever about yourself: determination, nice, work harder and etc, it means absoultely nothing!!! Where is the proof??

If you are really hardworking, you should have done your homework and you know specific things about the company. For exmple, if you are applying to Apple computer and you have done your homework, you know that Apple value innovation and industrial design. You would have said that I believe I am a good fit to Apple culture because I value human factor design. And, I have done so and so design work to prove this,

The information had to be specific to the company and specific to what you had done to prove that you are a good fit.

I had read so many cookie cutter cover letter that I can smell a BS from a mile away.

You need to read your own letter like a total stranger and ask yourself if you are a skeptical stranger would you belive what is written in this letter??

Dreamer

Ha...thanks for the feedback, dreamer101.

true...take it from the old timer...

Hey..I need help here.
I wanted to try out something different so I'm applying for a position as a management trainee after getting my degree in computing. The problem is I don't know what to list out as my skills since most of my skills are computer related such as C++, Java, Linux, SQL, MS Office, Macromedia, Rational Rose, Adobe Photoshop, ect, which I think has nothing to do with the management trainee position. I've worked as a sales admin for a few months and I've developed communication skills so maybe I can add that in.
What else should I add? I've never managed any big projects or anything.

Hi,

Have you ever been a scout?? Have you organized any event before during school days?? Have you ever manage a group of people to do something?? Are you in any knid of team sports??

Dreamer

I've never been a scout but me and my friends did get together to plan and open a stall selling stuffs during a fair. I mentioned in my cover letter that I used to be the group leader during group projects and during that time I've developed project management skills, documentation writing skills and meeting deadline but I'm not sure if that should be included or repeated in the resume.
As for team sports, I used to be in a football team that always loses.
Should I put Good Learning Ability and Good Time Management Ability as my strenghts or skills? Now I'm confused.

Hi,

You need examples of how you lead/manage people.

Dreamer

I'll try to think of some. Thanks!

Hey.
I want to know how do I start my cover letter if I found out about the vacancy from JobStreet?
For example if I found out about the vacancy from The Star newspaper, my cover letter starts off something like "I am responding to your advertisement in The Star (dated 01/09/05), regarding the Management Trainee position.".

I'm thinking of starting something like this:
In reading JobStreet's homepage recently, I noticed vacancies for Management Trainee. This sparked my interest as I am looking for opportunities to work in this industry.

Will that be ok?

Your cover-letter should not be full of unimportant details such as where you learned about the job posting unless requested by the company. You should focus your effort on using the cover letter to highlight why you are ideal for the position. I can almost recognize a form letter without reading it and it will be disposed off. A personal letter, especially hand-written will however stand out to me and may get some additional consideration.

becareful when u when to those vacancies for management trainee... most of them was fake...