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dreamer101
post Jun 14 2005, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Jun 14 2005, 02:44 AM)
ppl post here that a resume should be 2 pages of length maximum. i was thinking, is it really nice to cram everything into 2 sheets of paper?

coz, wouldn't it be too saturated with information. moreover, i think to be able to do that, the font used will have to be small too. is that ok?

as for my current CV, it's in a tabular format. 5 pages long, but i only put those necessary info. it's 5 pages long coz of the table and the font use. it looks neat and clear. dunno whether it's better like that or not.
i would appreciate some comments on this matter.

1 more question. if submit CV tru email, do we still need to attach a cover letter or do we just type it in the email as though the email is the cover letter itself?
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Hi,

1) Nobody will spend more than 5 minutes reading your resume. And, normally it will be 2 minutes. So, after 2 mnutes, people will stop reading.. It may be at page 2 or 3 or your resume and they will skip the rest..

2) I worked 20 years and my resume is only 3 pages long... How long had you work??

3) Less is more.. At most, people can only remember one thing about you..

I did sales and marketing too.. The key question is whet is your message that you are trying to put across in your resume. Summarize your message in one sentence. What makes you different from all other applicants that the company want to hire you?? What is your differentiator??

Put the message in the begining of your resume. Then, put the supporting data after that. Get someone to read your resume and time how long it take the person to read your resume. If it is more than 5 minutes, you are in trouble..

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post Aug 22 2005, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(masterelr @ Aug 22 2005, 01:49 PM)
I read from somewhere that it is better to print your resume using a laser printer and high quality paper. Is this true? I only have a cheap printer and some normal A4 papers at home. Won't that do?
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That is a very poor excuse!!! Nowaday, even a cheap inkjet printer can print at 1,200dpi and match the quality of a laser printer. Are you trying to tell us that you are not resourceful enough to solve this problem???

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post Aug 22 2005, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(masterelr @ Aug 22 2005, 02:52 PM)
Eh..not really. I was just asking but thanks for the reply. smile.gif
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If you are going to use inkjet printer, make sure that the paper that you use is compatible with inkjet printing. Most normal 70g copy paper is not compatible with inkjet and it will smear..

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post Aug 23 2005, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(firewire @ Aug 23 2005, 02:37 PM)
Do I list my references in my CV or do I put "References available upon request"? I've got conflicting views about this from some websites. Any ideas guys?
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I don't list my reference and I do not put "Reference available upon request" on my resume unless it is a requirement in the job posting.

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post Aug 25 2005, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(mwtang @ Aug 25 2005, 07:55 PM)
i have always put my references in it as i have nothing to hide about my previous job.

being professional is one thing, being street smart enuf to let ya previous boss knows that he be getting a call soon and hope he will help you out , thats another thing.

of course, u have to make sure of your creditability therefore having references have never post any worries
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Hi mwtang,

I am sorry to tell you that if I am reading your CV and I find your reference in it. It will raise a red flag in me. I might be strange or abnormal but I am telling you honestly what that will do to me.

There is a famous Chinese proverb, "There is no 300 ounces of silver here". People that has good creditability do not need a reference.

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This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 25 2005, 09:36 PM
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post Aug 25 2005, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(mwtang @ Aug 25 2005, 09:38 PM)
its entirely up to u, but so far it got me to where i am.
being smart or ethical wont get u far,....regardless to that one must always have the creditability.

i once was taught, its not how much u know is how u know and whom u know that would measure how far u go...
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Hi mwtang,

If I am not mistaken, you claimed that you have 20 years' working experience in Malaysia. If that is true, you should be well known in Malaysia. This is a very small country and IT community is very small. In that case, why do you need to put up any reference??

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post Aug 25 2005, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(mwtang @ Aug 25 2005, 09:41 PM)
btw my references are ppl who are once listed in who's who in this world..check it out...

i am not belittling my creditability...or yours.
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Hi,

Am I correct to assume that you got your degree from UK??

I am just giving you my honest opinion from an Americanized person and how would an American MNC will react.

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post Aug 25 2005, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(mwtang @ Aug 25 2005, 09:46 PM)
mate u got the wrong guy, never once i claimed to have 20 yrs of expierence...
btw, i am not in the IT community...
putting reference for me is to show that

1. I want the HRor the interviewers  to know more from my previous boss on the jobs i have done.

2. salary justification

3. shows that i am capable and flexible, its not easy to ask the MD of a big firm to be in your panel.

btw, cheer up mate, i am just expressing my thoughts and religuishing my expierence .

as i put it before, i have no control or speech set for my MDs to say anything, if they feel i am not capable for the job i am interviewing, so be it.
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Hi,

In general , Malaysia is such a small country that in almost any profession, after you reach certain level of seniority, people will know you or someone that know you. There is only a few degree of separation between almost anyone in the profession.

If the MD likes you, he/she will not only be your reference. They could call up/contact the relevant person in your future employer and get you hired. With that kind of connection, you will only fill up the job application form after you are hired.

And, that kind of stuff had happened to me before for a few times.

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post Aug 26 2005, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(masterelr @ Aug 26 2005, 09:43 PM)
Hey,
I got this example from another site. I want to know if its ok to end my cover letter something like this:

Aware of my lacking experience, I determine to learn faster, work harder and commit more so that I can quickly come up to speed in making profit to your company. One benefit of having lack experience is I haven't learnt any bad habits that other applicants may have acquired; therefore I will only do it in YOUR WAY as thats the only way I'll know.

One thing these pieces of paper can't show you is that I'm a NICE guy. Really! I know you need someone who has emotional intelligence, and works and communicates courteously with other team members -- that's me. With this in mind, I would welcome the opportunity for an interview so I can meet you face to face and get a better idea on what you're looking for and for you to see how I might 'FIT' into your company.

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Hi,

Let's start with the basic fact. The person who is reading this letter is a stranger. He/she does not know anything about you. You can say whatever about yourself: determination, nice, work harder and etc, it means absoultely nothing!!! Where is the proof??

If you are really hardworking, you should have done your homework and you know specific things about the company. For exmple, if you are applying to Apple computer and you have done your homework, you know that Apple value innovation and industrial design. You would have said that I believe I am a good fit to Apple culture because I value human factor design. And, I have done so and so design work to prove this,

The information had to be specific to the company and specific to what you had done to prove that you are a good fit.

I had read so many cookie cutter cover letter that I can smell a BS from a mile away.

You need to read your own letter like a total stranger and ask yourself if you are a skeptical stranger would you belive what is written in this letter??

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post Sep 3 2005, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(masterelr @ Sep 3 2005, 06:54 PM)
Hey..I need help here.
I wanted to try out something different so I'm applying for a position as a management trainee after getting my degree in computing. The problem is I don't know what to list out as my skills since most of my skills are computer related such as C++, Java, Linux, SQL, MS Office, Macromedia, Rational Rose, Adobe Photoshop, ect, which I think has nothing to do with the management trainee position. I've worked as a sales admin for a few months and I've developed communication skills so maybe I can add that in.
What else should I add? I've never managed any big projects or anything.
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Hi,

Have you ever been a scout?? Have you organized any event before during school days?? Have you ever manage a group of people to do something?? Are you in any knid of team sports??

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post Sep 3 2005, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(masterelr @ Sep 3 2005, 07:58 PM)
I've never been a scout but me and my friends did get together to plan and open a stall selling stuffs during a fair. I mentioned in my cover letter that I used to be the group leader during group projects and during that time I've developed project management skills, documentation writing skills and meeting deadline but I'm not sure if that should be included or repeated in the resume.
As for team sports, I used to be in a football team that always loses. rolleyes.gif
Should I put Good Learning Ability and Good Time Management Ability as my strenghts or skills? Now I'm confused.
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Hi,

You need examples of how you lead/manage people.

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post Oct 1 2005, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Aggronax @ Oct 1 2005, 09:09 AM)
in resume ~

just you did in www.jobstreet.com.my

just print it out. those format were excellent !
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Hi,

IMHO, put it in cover letter. The reason is some company may ask your futurte peers to interview you and you do nto want them to knwo what is your expected salary.

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post Dec 30 2005, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Dec 30 2005, 08:05 PM)
IMHO, you would waste few lines of your CV just like that ...

2004 - 2006: BEng. (Hons) xxxxx, major in xxxx, University of xxx. Expected 2:1 degree.

Above is the way how I write it in my CV smile.gif
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"Expected 2:1 degree" -> What does this mean??

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post Dec 31 2005, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Dec 31 2005, 08:14 PM)
I am still halfway doing my degree now and part of the requirement for me to join the company is to have a 2:2 degree ... I will include this "Expected 2:1 degree" if they just need me to send in my CV ...

If I am sending in my CV alongside their online application form, I will remove them and just leave it as:

2004 âeuro" 2006: BEng. (Hons) xxxxx, major in xxxx, University of xxx.

Is there something wrong by doing so? Please correct me if there's any problem. Thanks smile.gif
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Ethnocentrism -> using a jargon and expect everyone in the world to understand what you are saying..

What the hell is a 2:2 degree and 2:1 degree?? Please use simple Engslih please!!?? Do not expect everyone that read your resume/cv to know your short hand, jargon and abbreviation.

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QUOTE(socratesman @ Jun 20 2006, 06:34 PM)
Got a question

If i know a particular technical skill because i play/use it at home but not at work, can i still list it in my resume?

For example at work i have no chance to set up DNS servers on Linux, but i have done it at home.
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Yes. List it.. As long as you know how to do it. It does not matter where you learn it and do it.

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post May 5 2010, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(dynames07 @ May 5 2010, 07:24 AM)
'TELL ME ABOUT YOURSELF QUESTION'

Hi. My name is xxxx. I'm 24 years old and I'm from xxxx. I have a Degree in Chemical Engineering from Universiti Teknologi Malaysia and an Executive Diploma in Occupational Safety and Health from Universiti Tun Hussein Onn. Recently, I've completed my internship program with Carigali-PTTEPI Operating Company as a Trainee in HSE Department. At that time, my main task is to do HIRARC on the Erection of MUDA Production Platform as well as assisting their HSE personnel in daily HSE matters. Moving few years back which is during my degree, I've completed my industrial training with Polycore Optical (M) Sdn Bhd as a Trainee in Engineering Department. At this time, my main task is to analyse the company's compressed air system to seek energy saving opportunities. Regarding my self, I'm a guy who loves working in a group. I always believe that we can achieve a greater success by working in a group. When working in a group, I see my self as a good leader as well as a valuable team member. This is because I'm committed to the task that had been assigned to me. Furthermore, I have the will to support and motivate my team member so that they will not left behind. I also believe that I'm an energetic and enthusiastic person in getting the best result from my work. Last but not least, I also willing to shoulder responsibilities because this will always kept me on my toes. -END-
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* Many may questioned why I failed my interview sessions. I'm fully prepared for it and the thing that always let me down is on years of experience. I have none and when the interviewer asked me about this, I confessed but I've assured him/her that I'm willing to learn. But still, I failed it...
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dynames07,

You had said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

<< Hi. My name is xxxx. I'm 24 years old and I'm from xxxx. I have a Degree in Chemical Engineering from Universiti Teknologi Malaysia and an Executive Diploma in Occupational Safety and Health from Universiti Tun Hussein Onn.>>

Nothing to tell me as an interviewer about YOUR CAPABILITY to do the job. Zero.

<< Recently, I've completed my internship program with Carigali-PTTEPI Operating Company as a Trainee in HSE Department. At that time, my main task is to do HIRARC on the Erection of MUDA Production Platform as well as assisting their HSE personnel in daily HSE matters.>>

Nothing AGAIN. What YOU actually DO and LEARN?? There is NOTHING SPECIFIC here. Assisting could mean that you help people carrying boxes or order BREAKFAST.

<< Moving few years back which is during my degree, I've completed my industrial training with Polycore Optical (M) Sdn Bhd as a Trainee in Engineering Department. At this time, my main task is to analyse the company's compressed air system to seek energy saving opportunities.>>

Nothing AGAIN. So what is the OUTCOME of your analysis??

<< Regarding my self, I'm a guy who loves working in a group. I always believe that we can achieve a greater success by working in a group. When working in a group, I see my self as a good leader as well as a valuable team member. This is because I'm committed to the task that had been assigned to me. Furthermore, I have the will to support and motivate my team member so that they will not left behind. I also believe that I'm an energetic and enthusiastic person in getting the best result from my work. Last but not least, I also willing to shoulder responsibilities because this will always kept me on my toes. -END->>

You should be a POLITICIAN instead of Engineer. That is a LOAD of BS.

You have NOTHING specific to indicate you are either a good leader or good team member.

Why SHOULD I care as the interviewer about YOUR OPINION of yourself??

By this time, you have WASTED 5 minutes of my life and I am ready to REJECT you.

As an interviewer

1) I DO NOT CARE about YOU.

2) I DO NOT CARE about what YOU think about YOURSELF.

3) I DO NOT WANT to hear what YOU think so great about YOURSELF.

It is VERY SIMPLE

A) What can YOU do for ME??

B) Show ME that YOU can do the JOB..

C) Show ME that YOU know what the JOB is about.

D) Show ME that YOU do YOUR HOMEWORK and research about THE JOB before your interview.

E) Show ME that YOU are willing to LISTEN and TELL me how you can do the JOB.

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