i'm not offended, and most of us here aren't either.

maybe you haven't realized this since you're quite new here, but back in 2008-2009, many keepers had been convicted when they are caught with just 1 or 2 animals that were listed under the Wildlife Act. primary reason - they advertised those animals on the Internet.

and please note that back then the fine is not 100k.

just be careful ok.

hahahaha

size of turtle?

bigger snappers could potentially bite off wiring, so keepers mostly use canisters or install a partition.

if using guppy tank, it is easier to just change water.

yes you can. they'd only charge rm10.

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please note that the grace period back then was only for animals without proper documentation.

permit application for animals that come with receipt and cites paper could always be done.

what you have to do now is to remove those pine shavings ASAP (aka tonight) and use old newspaper as substrate while you're searching for new substrate.

pine oils are toxic, and could get into the tortoises' systems through inhalation, consumption (pieces dissolved in drinking water), etc etc.

in short, please get them away from your tortoises.

could be because of so many things as you didn't describe the husbandry, diet etc., but the first thing that i could think of is malnutrition (they'd probably didn't get enough calcium/d3).

and leaving turtles under hot sun without water is a big no-no. the dark shell would be a very efficient heat conductor, thus cooking the organs inside.

if you have any photos of the surviving turtle, please upload them here and maybe we could assess what had happened.

that's totally not okay. although conical scute formation in G. elegans could be linked to genetics, pyramiding in captive bred specimens are often pathological, caused by too much protein in their diet and to some degree, lack of moisture.

shells of specimens with diet-induced pyramiding are thick but porous, making it weak and susceptible to cracking and all kinds of mishaps.





and plus, induced pyramiding could cause unnatural vertebral formation, which would be very very detrimental to the specimen's health as it could disrupt the organs.





as such, inducing pyramiding through high protein food (okra, beans) is an atrocity. those tortoises would most probably outlive us, handing them a lifetime of pain is plainly wrong.

no idea on that, sorry. they should've contacted us if permits are issued. i'll try to ask around today.

judging by the condition of the sutures, yep the shell looks soft. I assume that the turtle haven't gotten enough UVB/D3?

try pellets with D3 (wardley's, exoterra) or hooking up with UVB bulbs. (either one, not both).

and of course a dry basking rock in its aquarium with overhead basking light (rm1.50 osram bulb would do).

lol 90k. back in 2008, it was around 3k-4k. i've posted some pics in TTT version 3.

anyway, those breeders who are still intentionally breeding this kind of monstrosities are f*cking irresponsible.

Find one turtle with that deformity (not that difficult since RES are bred by the millions) and breed it en masse, and you might get several 2-headed F1s and lots of hets, much like the works on color morphs. I'm not sure whether those genes are dominant, co-dominant, recessive or whatever, but one thing for sure is they are hereditary.




Another famous deformity that had been thoroughly exploited is the eye-less turtle. The original turtle had been intentionally bred by its owner many times over despite criticisms, producing more and more eye-less turtle that can be sold for big bucks.

And those 8-figures are not bred, they are molded. No genetics involved, just human greed.





yeah right. perfect condition with raised marginal scutes. duh.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jul 23 2010, 06:56 PM

go eat skink birthday boy

it's a Cuora amboinensis - Malayan Box Turtle. this species is protected under INTESA, so we don't have much word on possession as it could lead to a 100k fine. (may sound ridiculous, but it is the law)

if you could find some forest reserve nearby, just release it there.

temples need to declare theirs too, according to wildlife.

that regulation is purely horse crap, nothing more than media circus played by clowns. import permit my derrière.

back in 2008, Indonesia essentially blocked all of TRAFFIC's operations after the following report was published by TRAFFIC.

http://www.traffic.org/species-reports/tra...s_mammals37.pdf

as mentioned in the January 2010 edition of National Geographic, the reason given was 'TRAFFIC attacked my country'.
that butthurt reaction is so /k/ material.



owhh one helluva number of mutts.

you should be thanking benson. if he didn't highlight our plight towards the general population, stars might have trouble being legalized since the original term of that application stated that no-export quota animals can never be kept. anyway, congratulations

haven't got any news of mine, but I'm from a different state and my application documents are thicker

i haven't found any specific clauses on disposal or transfer of ownership, but section 35 of INTESA did state this

and oh, if i'm not mistaken, disposal means euthanasia (as stated in newspaper not long ago)

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 10 2010, 06:12 PM

this is /k/ material. funny funny stuff.

the same metaphor can be used for



or



or



well, hypomelanism is critically recessive all in the spirit for a good Tuesday night laugh.

anyway, nice tortoise

mata mata is not cites-listed lah .. budblely must've been too eager and didn't check cites status before making application.

p/s : budblely, did you apply permission for your RES too? cause if you had, they're not going to approve it and you're facing 100k fine... just kidding.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 12 2010, 05:41 PM

ok liette. have some milk for breakfast.

rafiq made me hum this all night. can't get my eyes straight

this neuromance makes my motherboard hot
i’ll slam some new ram in her expansion Slot
digital refinery, her digits are binary
she said lets make out i said God… finally!
stand back son, don’t stress the professor
from the looks of this girl, i need a Surge Suppressor
this dominatrix’ll array my pixels
finally someone’s gonna touch my dicksel
while you’re begging girls to come on back to your place,
i’ll be having virtual intercourse in cyberspace

the 3D part rocks yo!

no worries, the malaysian government is going to approve some Invasive Species Act... in like 20 years

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talking about that, I just realized that Ocadia sinensis is not part of any CITES list as of date. they used to be non CITES in early 2000s, listed in CITES and now out of CITES as a result of commercial farming.

however, since INTESA was enacted written-up during their tenure in CITES III, all local legislative documents point them to be CITES listed and are therefore protected under INTESA.

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and another thing of note, CITES had updated their database since and the current binomial names of genus might not match up to INTESA's Schedule III. example, database search for genus Kachuga would not get you any results since Pangshura is the official binomial name preferred by CITES now. please note that they are still the same protected animals though, so making some cross-checks for dubious species would be most beneficial.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 17 2010, 02:51 AM