non-listed animals require no permit bro.

if permits are being issued for animals not in the list, we might as well report them up for corruption (as i assume that there must some kind of annual fees in the near future)

what an Amorphophallus you are bro.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 18 2010, 12:51 AM

mind if i help with this?

got back at 6.45 and snapped some photos of whatever I could before it is too dark.

i'll send in some photos for comparison in a couple of hours.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 20 2010, 08:25 PM

you had successfully bred Cyclemys long before I did

anyway, these side by side photos should help.

H. grandis is on the left while C. dentata is on the right.

carapace view



plastron view



from what i've noticed, in C. dentata the seam between the pectoral scutes is always the longest while in H. grandis, the longest seam is the one between the abdominal scutes.

and the last one is an old Heosemys spinosa, can't say much about the spines and serration, because this one has none left



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note that in Toutes les Tortues du Monde (1996), Bonin described adult C. dentata having clear plastron (as in without any patterns) and C. oldhami (or oldhamii??) as the one with lines on the plastron.

Pritchard (the one that translated Bonin's work into English) described C. dentata as we knew it (with radiating lines on the plastron) while classifying C. oldhami as a synonym of C. dentata (i think because of the overlapping population and the fact that Cyclemys had too much variations between them).

I'll try pinging uzairi to see if he still have terralog with him and maybe he can scan some photos. when it comes to ID'ing that book helps much.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 20 2010, 10:16 PM

they love ground as much as they love water, if you could provide large ground area it would be best. (they'd feed, hang out, find shelter etc above ground).

and they are truely omnivorous aka universal feeder. veges, fruits, prawns, pellets etc all would do.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 21 2010, 12:10 AM

maybe I should check out Jalan Pramuka once in a while, Sherley.

never really had the chance to check the Indonesian pet trade, everytime I get there I'm stuck with family business and the traffic there is way too challenging for me to drive alone

some photos would be most useful. from your description, they might either be shedding or something more serious is up.

anyway, your cd-sized turtle (red eared slider I assume) would need more leg space than just a pail or small tank. these are active turtles that swims a lot and bask often.

ugayri/rafigay: last time i checked, my license's valid until 2012. but i do enjoy not sitting at the driver's seat while you guys are around

juvenile Heosemys grandis.

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Added on August 24, 2010, 2:54 pmyes mr billygay, i do drive

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 24 2010, 02:54 PM

dear delivery boy,

it is my obligation to tell you that star tortoise is protected by INTESA. in other words, you could not legally own or trade them.

please browse through this thread, we have had discussions on the new law.

from FOC to a few hundred bucks

didn't I mention that H. grandis could not be legally traded?

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 26 2010, 09:43 AM

because it is a male

being about 1/3 the size of females at adulthood, it is natural for males to appear significantly smaller after some growth.



according to that plan, i'd prefer to do it this way - 4 weekly feeding sessions, 1 time pellet, 1 time feeder fish and 2 times plant matters.

if those percentages are calculated per meal, chances are that the dominant turtle would get most of the share of its favourite food (pellet, fish) and leave the other stuffs to others.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 28 2010, 01:42 PM

the ideal plan would only to give them only as much as they'd eat during a feeding session (until they stop eating) and feed again only on next feeding session.

(but heck, i do release feeder fish in their tanks to stimulate their natural hunting behavior and to get them some exercise)

mealworm/prawn should fit in pellet/feeder fish slot nicely. (rotate/alternate food item)

that would apply only to claws on the front limbs

in many turtle species, males have longer claws on the front limbs to help them mount on the females during mating. and for some Emydidae (new world turtles) like those from genus Trachemys, Chrysemys, etc, the long front claws would help attract females during their mating dance.

females typically have longer nails on the hind limbs for the purpose of digging nests.



I only assumed that you had its sex determined as you described it as a He

at 2.5", it is quite difficult to get them sexed correctly.

my previous post (about males being smaller) is valid, but might not apply to your case though. sorry Ben, seems like my bad

those info supplied by Ben in his prior posts can be used to determine the sex

anyway, if you're not sure, you can always post some photos (carapace and plastron view) for identification.

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need some sleep now. last night's excursion was tiring. big swans, big swans. you missed that, uzairi

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 29 2010, 08:26 PM

ok, here's the thing.

unless the nail is deformed, bent or in some way hinder its natural locomotion or hurting the turtle, it is NOT ADVISABLE to cut the nails.

you'd do nothing to the turtle except molest its natural trait and put it under possible stress. besides, inexperienced hands might trim too much and risk hurting the turtle by cutting through blood vessels.

the nails as depicted by that photo are perfectly normal, no cutting, trimming, filing, etc is needed.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 30 2010, 07:01 PM

scratches are part and parcel of turtle pet keeping arthas. some cut marks here and there are perfectly justified. gotta live with it.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 30 2010, 07:47 PM

All Testudo are listed under CITES.

Testudo spp. refers to all Testudo species and subspecies. which includes T. horsfieldii (Russian Tortoise).

anyway, here you go

Testudo horsfieldii on CITES


This post has been edited by camillenoir: Aug 31 2010, 06:59 PM

both are females

tails on both the turtles are stumpy. males have longer, bulkier tails.

on the boxie, it is apparent that the cloacal opening is very near to the body.

besides, both specimens lack concavity on the plastron.

if you need side by side comparison for both species, i could take some photos later on (at 5pm or so, after office hours).

ok.. i was mistaken.

the black mud should be a male judging by the placement of the cloacal opening. just that it doesn't have a pronounced concavity. another valid sexual dimorphism is that adult males tend to get blacker and lose those white marks on the head, while females retain those marks.

the following photos should help

Siebenrockilla crassicollis - Male on the left, female on the right



Cuora amboinensis - - Male on the left, female on the right



This post has been edited by camillenoir: Sep 2 2010, 07:44 PM

so i guess Predator10 got the answer he's looking for LOL.