IINM, his name is Benson Sek Yong something. anyway, all hail Benson!!

the worst part about this grace period is the 'auto-confiscation' of several valuable species upon applications (as published in a several newspapers) which totally thrashes the concept of grace period itself. as mentioned earlier on this thread, grace periods at countries like the US of are done much more gracefully and transparently based on merits. That's why there are Malaysian species with CITES documents over there while you can't find any Malaysian species with papers within our own border.

furthermore, according to Act 686, the species mentioned in that piece of news (star, pignose, african grey) are all included in the Third Schedule. but why on Earth would Star Tortoise be confiscated but not the other two? It is even mentioned (http://www.mmail.com.my/content/39430-surrender-your-endangered-animals-or-else) that pignose and grey are not included in the list, a statement that shows how much the enforcement officers themselves are being ignorant of the law (despite being supplied with free copies of the Act). is reading a book that hard?

(and the fact that star tortoises are easier to be smuggled/traded off under the guise of 'relocation to country of origin' compared to the other two added much suspicions. so far, when any other countries mention 'relocation', they always follow that up with reports. yep, but sadly not here.)

yes, i fully support the Act. I just have problems with the way enforcement are carried out. Seems like they're trying to find some scapegoats amongst small time keepers (so that they can show the media that they're doing something) since they are under much scrutiny and pressure from conservation activists the world over (the Anson Scandal, the recent tiger abuse case, the proposed animal test lab, the illegal sales of wildlife at local zoos, their refusal to cooperate with TRAFFIC). all that while the big whales walk free.

FYI, up until yesterday, less than 10 applications had been made at Shah Alam Office from the thousands of keepers in Selangor. looking at the statistics, any standard 3 students could sum up that this so-called grace period is an utter failure.

anyway, the cold reception to the grace period could be the result of either one of these 3 factors.

i) the public are unaware of the new Act
ii) the public had lost all faith in Perhilitan (their involvement with Anson Wong, as published in National Geographic, Jan 2010)
iii) the public are afraid of confiscations and other legal consequences s

and with only a few days to go, why the heck are star tortoise and other animals listed under Schedule 3 still being sold at pet shops? so much for enforcement, eh?

(hey, i should at least get a post count for typing this much )

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jun 15 2010, 08:44 AM

Benson will lead the way. Though nobody knows how to contact him, he's a resident stalker of this thread.

wah! which one of you is that Benson?

takyah susah2. drop them at my crib

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jun 15 2010, 11:49 PM

110% sure.

nice nice. you have my number tak bro?

i'm going to Fraser tomorrow until Friday/Saturday, so I won't be online until then.

I already answered that in my earlier post complete with reference to Act and Section. Guess that I really have to type after all.

Act 686
Search and seizure without warrant
24. Whenever an enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article in respect of which an offence under this Act has been committed is likely to be found in or on any premises, person or conveyance and that by reason of delay in obtaining a warrant under section 23 the object of the search may be frustrated, he may without warrant, with such assistance and force as is necessary -
(a) enter and search such premises
(b) stop and search such person or conveyance; and
© seize any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article which may be found and may be evidence of the commission of such offence.



yup right. Testudo kleInmanni and Testudo werneri are listed under CITES I, all other Testudo, including Russian (T. horsfieldii) is listed under CITES II.

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Added on June 19, 2010, 3:00 pmyes. all Podocnemis are listed under CITES II

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jun 19 2010, 06:09 PM

err... do they even have a water setup to live in? those are turtles, i'm kind of at a lost when you mentioned that they are dry.

stoppp!! RES could not swallow properly out of water, they have fixed tongue. put her in water now - she might choke to death!

put it in quarantine, raise the water temperature to 30 celcius, give some liquid electrolyte, hope for the best.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jun 20 2010, 05:36 PM

get a submersible heater. saves the trouble of preparing warm water, plus the temperature is regulated all the time.

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Added on June 21, 2010, 10:36 amenforcement seems to be carried out under the discretion of state office, and at best, non-standardized.

worst still, the ministry has not responded yet.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jun 21 2010, 10:36 AM

most submersibles requires only an inch or two of water. and there are different sizes/wattage for aquariums of different sizes, so you can choose one that fits your aquarium most.



overheating is unlikely, as the thermostat will turn the heater off once it hits the set temperature.

there would be a slight variation in temperature - using the same heater set at same temperature, aquariums with lower water volume would feel slightly hotter than those with higher volume (thermal dispersion vs volume of medium factors, etc) but it's a safe and useful equipment to say the least.

photo from magic-mushroom-kit.com

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jun 21 2010, 12:25 PM

I just discovered that all CITES species is covered under Wildlife Protection Ordinance 1998.

Which means that Sarawak keepers can declare nuts as they are bound to that 12 year old act.

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Added on June 21, 2010, 2:42 pmThe Natural Resources Ministry had finally answered Benson's letter



This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jun 21 2010, 02:42 PM

that won't work. you would be slapped with 100k fine for doing false declaration. (section 44 Act 686)

and declaration must be made at the state office in which the animal is kept. e.g. animals in Kelantan can't be declared in Selangor.

read the ULASAN OLEH PEJABAT PERHILITAN NEGERI part on the form. they have the obligation to verify that all claims are true by checking on the animals before any permissions are issued.

if all declarations are made on paper, supported only by photos without any physical evidence, any john doe could declare that he has 1000 yniphoras.




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owh they're gonna love this thread

behold the second coming of agent janggut

As for the applications, state directors could only give recommendations and reviews. The special permission letter would be issued by the Natural Resources Ministry.

FYI and regards.

This post has been edited by camillenoir: Jul 4 2010, 09:27 PM

they got eyes everywhere

is the director back in? his function in malacca just ended around 1pm. his staff might not be clear about the rules.