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godofsquirrel
post Apr 28 2010, 06:36 PM


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Garmin and Papago are quite famous software for GPS in Malaysia. Thus, I was wondering which brand is the best?
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post Apr 28 2010, 07:14 PM


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In Malaysia, the question is not really on the navigation softwares but the maps details, no of POIs & ability to search POIs..

Well since papago & Garmin are the two platforms used by the free mapping communities, both also good dy...

There are supporter for both too...

Only those softwares that do not have the support from the free mapping communities are those not selling well here..

& some that I have seen actually look nicer than Garmin/papago 9Such as Igo) but due to lack of detail maps..a good software is also useless..another example..Nokia ovimaps..good softaware but no support from those free mapping communities
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post Apr 28 2010, 11:47 PM


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haha i agree with u...currently using papago...garmin is nice but somehow the map is black...it made the road looks kinda ugly...>.<"
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post Apr 29 2010, 12:55 AM


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Huh when garmin maps is black? what version of malfreemaps are you using? wth all the colorfull polygon u still see black background?
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post Apr 29 2010, 01:16 AM


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i using the latest one wor..background is black..why ah?..

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QUOTE(godofsquirrel @ Apr 29 2010, 01:16 AM)
i using the latest one wor..background is black..why ah?..
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where should i have garmin for mobile?
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post Apr 29 2010, 07:22 AM


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Probably u swith on at nite so some background really black because empty polygon biggrin.gif Night mode mah..otherwise something wrong wth your set liao
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i using the latest one wor..background is black..why ah?..
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post Apr 30 2010, 11:59 AM


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yeah i think papago will be a good choice too........anyways it works on my iphone........garmin somehow usually have better reception dunno why even on mobile.
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post Sep 21 2010, 02:27 PM


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i just got chance to use both garmin and papago last raya....
this is what i can conclude:

GUI - Garmin
Screen sensetivity + ease - Garmin
Map detail - Papago (papago will detail the gas station with exact icon such as petronas, shell etc, / same goes to church, mosque and temple. Garmin just show church as icon for holy place )
Road suggest - Papago (i run same destination, seem that papago show the most recommended road.. )
Price / practical - Papago

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QUOTE(breaker84 @ Sep 21 2010, 02:27 PM)
i just got chance to use both garmin and papago last raya....
this is what i can conclude:

GUI - Garmin
Screen sensetivity + ease - Garmin
Map detail - Papago (papago will detail the gas station with exact icon such as petronas, shell etc, / same goes to church, mosque and temple. Garmin just show church as icon for holy place )
Road suggest - Papago (i run same destination, seem that papago show the most recommended road.. )
Price / practical - Papago
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are you comparing MFM map [map detail]..?

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yeah.. garmin will lose that[map detail]
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post Sep 21 2010, 03:51 PM


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can use garmin at my HTC Desire??.
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iphone 4 can use papago?
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QUOTE(Apole @ Sep 21 2010, 03:51 PM)
can use garmin at my HTC Desire??.
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QUOTE(fongwei @ Sep 21 2010, 04:25 PM)
iphone 4 can use papago?
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Nope. Can use the pre install google maps without voice navigation if you are in Malaysia.
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tom tom in coming to malaysia soon btw.. wonder how it fair then
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QUOTE(kae7 @ Sep 21 2010, 02:59 PM)
are you comparing MFM map [map detail]..?

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yeah.. garmin will lose that[map detail]
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So garmin is better than papago in other aspect? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Eguy1314 @ Sep 21 2010, 06:32 PM)
So garmin is better than papago in other aspect? smile.gif
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basically yes. smile.gif
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QUOTE(T09 @ Sep 21 2010, 08:04 PM)
basically yes. smile.gif
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post Sep 22 2010, 12:07 AM


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Same place park my car (Felda Ulu Tebrau) using both gps

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Papago... thumbup.gif
Garmin... doh.gif
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post Sep 22 2010, 06:10 PM


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can papago used in htc wildfire?
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post Sep 29 2010, 10:43 PM


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Hi.. How about satellite reception?

I am currently using a garmin gps and most of the time it takes like 3 - 5minutes to capture the satellite reception which is pretty long in my opinion.

My friend told me Papago reception is super fast

Can someone verify on this issue?

THanks
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post Oct 5 2010, 12:24 PM


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QUOTE(guitar8888 @ Sep 29 2010, 10:43 PM)
Hi.. How about satellite reception?
I am currently using a garmin gps and most of the time it takes like 3 - 5minutes to capture the satellite reception which is pretty long in my opinion.
My friend told me Papago reception is super fast
Can someone verify on this issue?
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yup...
i can verify that....
sometimes it need more that single reroute compare with papago, but that was maybe for several location....
as far as i tried, with same location, garmin a bit slow la to capture the reception....
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post Oct 17 2010, 05:54 PM


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Seems like papago is the better GPS device so far, but i thought papago is new and garmin is very establised. Hmm, looking to buy one real soon. Any other points? I will be happy if i get to know pricing too
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post Oct 17 2010, 06:53 PM


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how to use garmin mobile gps to ask me turn left right when driving?
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post Oct 17 2010, 07:00 PM


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wow...kinda interested to papago rite now..huu
is there any suggestion what type of GPS that i can buy and have the lowest price..how much?tq~
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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 17 2010, 06:53 PM)
how to use garmin mobile gps to ask me turn left right when driving?
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just set your desired destination/route & it'll guide you left right up down forward automatically
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post Oct 17 2010, 07:04 PM


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papago is free or need to pay
can n85 use it ?
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QUOTE(specopsmarines @ Oct 17 2010, 05:54 PM)
Seems like papago is the better GPS device so far, but i thought papago is new and garmin is very establised. Hmm, looking to buy one real soon. Any other points? I will be happy if i get to know pricing too
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QUOTE(k3nji @ Oct 17 2010, 07:00 PM)
wow...kinda interested to papago rite now..huu
is there any suggestion what type of GPS that i can buy and have the lowest price..how much?tq~
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price a bit subjective....
but you can do this comparative..
in order to get a gps with 3d imege inside such as buiding:
Garmin new model cost around RM1K++, other brand only RM700++

i suggest find gps with large screen...
but be aware that the battery wont last long...

here come Garmin advantage, garmin can operate more that 2 hour with full setting..
but u use in car right, just plug the charger...
heh...
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QUOTE(breaker84 @ Oct 21 2010, 01:34 PM)
price a bit subjective....
but you can do this comparative..
in order to get a gps with 3d imege inside such as buiding:
Garmin new model cost around RM1K++, other brand only RM700++

i suggest find gps with large screen...
but be aware that the battery wont last long...

here come Garmin advantage, garmin can operate more that 2 hour with full setting..
but u use in car right, just plug the charger...
heh...
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I'm using Garmin. Can assure you won't regret one wink.gif
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post Oct 27 2010, 11:10 AM


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I m using Garmin Asus M10 handset. I feel it is the best handphone with GPS. It oni take 1-3 second outdoor n <10 seconds indoor with window nearby to get satellite signal lock.

Satellite reception is super important for navigation. I havent tried papago but i had seen my friends GPS bay (so-called professional M'sian GPS device), nokia, Htc etc, all cant even get any satellite signal indoor evenif windows are nearby. In outdoor opened air, it took them 3-5 min and worst still, during navigation, these devices lost the signal and navigation just halted. rclxub.gif

Routing is also another issue and the voice prompting. Pointing you to the wrong way, never inform you before a turn and voicing out when you are driving >100KM/h and just 100m away from the turn (you need to beat Michael 'Shoemaker' in order to be able to make the turn) ... XD ... these are what my frens' cursing experiences with garbish navi devices. mad.gif

These problems never happen to M10 and M10 is built based on garmin navi devices. I don't know what garmin has done. Beside strong sat reception, the ability to calculate position when there r plenty of high rise buildings around, i also notice that i m prompted to update "satellite information" through net by the garmin devices. I believe these are their secrets.

Btw, if you 12 get a good navi device with no hassel, get the good, internationally well-known product like garmin, tomtom and magellan. You prefer to pay a little bt more for premium quality or you enjoy cursing around while using navi devices? Your choice wink.gif

GPS bay, papago, mamadrive etc ... ish ==' doh.gif

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QUOTE(cloudhenri @ Oct 27 2010, 11:10 AM)
It oni take 1-3 second outdoor n <10 seconds indoor with window nearby to get satellite signal lock.
with or without agps?


Added on October 27, 2010, 11:16 amand does it have lane assist feature in garmin asus fon?

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post Oct 27 2010, 11:19 AM


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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Oct 27 2010, 11:14 AM)
with or without agps?


Added on October 27, 2010, 11:16 amand does it have lane assist feature in garmin asus fon?
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without AGPS. I don't subscribe to data package.

Garmin asus m10 supports lane assist, junction view etc...

Lane assist is indeed based on what map your are using. I am using 3 types of maps --> MFM, MSM and City Navigator (garmin official)

Only City Navigator has lane assist. Btw, I find the lane assist abit annoying when driving on high way when it kept asking me to keep right, when just drive straight will do ...

Anyhow, the most updated and beautiful maps come from MFM, for Singapore, Malaysia & Brunei.
MSM is out and copycat of MFM...

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mfm is shit created by senile people they wil bring u to weird places and destination which is not even on the road, dont trust mfm. Always go for malsing as it accurate and reliable and garmin phones are ur best buddies, been using a g60 for a year no regret at all, got lane assist, 1000+ junction view.


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without AGPS.  I don't subscribe to data package.

Lane assist is indeed based on what map your are using.  I am using 3 types of maps --> MFM, MSM and City Navigator (garmin official)

Only City Navigator has lane assist.  Btw, I find the lane assist abit annoying when driving on high way when it kept asking me to keep right, when just drive straight will do ...

Anyhow, the most updated and beautiful maps come from MFM, for Singapore, Malaysia & Brunei. 
MSM is out and copycat of MFM...
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what are u smoking man? mfm is the copycat, msm is endorsed by garmin.

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post Oct 27 2010, 01:00 PM


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QUOTE(ate @ Oct 27 2010, 12:06 PM)
mfm is shit created by senile people they wil bring u to weird places and destination which is not even on the road, dont trust mfm. Always go for malsing as it accurate and reliable and garmin phones are ur best buddies, been using a g60 for a year no regret at all, got lane assist, 1000+ junction view.


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what are u smoking man? mfm is the copycat, msm is endorsed by garmin.
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No smoking. Thanks. biggrin.gif

For Sing,Mal,Bru maps :-

MFM is the most updated with weekly updates. I found more than 3 areas of highways that exist in MFM but not in City Navi and MSM. For eg. LKSA. Latest version --> 25.10.2010

City NAvi is second best. Latest update 3Q2010 with lane assist. Of course in terms of international mapping, they will be the best of all three.

MSM is outdated. Latest 2Q2010.

Btw, I don't care who copy who. I just want good and updated maps thumbup.gif and so far, for local use, MFM is the best.

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Agree with cloudhenri. maps in MFM updated monthy, detailed POI. I've been using MFM for nearly two years now and no regret so far. No doubt MSM is the first one to come out to support MY free map for Garmin, but sh#t happened along the way and MFM is the way to go now. Really am thankful to all the MFM mappers out there. MFM all the way!




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QUOTE(ate @ Oct 27 2010, 12:06 PM)
mfm is shit created by senile people they wil bring u to weird places and destination which is not even on the road, dont trust mfm. Always go for malsing as it accurate and reliable and garmin phones are ur best buddies, been using a g60 for a year no regret at all, got lane assist, 1000+ junction view.


Added on October 27, 2010, 12:14 pm

what are u smoking man? mfm is the copycat, msm is endorsed by garmin.
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hi, i'm a garmin gps user and i think MFM way better than preloaded Malsing map. Although it didn't support junction view which not a big deal actually, but the map are more detail than malsing since there always map update available. plus a lot of POI available contribute by the MFM forumer..so MFM beat Malsing for sure
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QUOTE(godofsquirrel @ Apr 28 2010, 11:47 PM)
haha i agree with u...currently using papago...garmin is nice but somehow the map is black...it made the road looks kinda ugly...>.<"
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bro, u colour blind ? garmin road is in pink colour.
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QUOTE(ate @ Oct 27 2010, 12:06 PM)
mfm is shit created by senile people they wil bring u to weird places and destination which is not even on the road, dont trust mfm. Always go for malsing as it accurate and reliable and garmin phones are ur best buddies, been using a g60 for a year no regret at all, got lane assist, 1000+ junction view.


Added on October 27, 2010, 12:14 pm

what are u smoking man? mfm is the copycat, msm is endorsed by garmin.
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all i know MSM too many limitation and lack of map update must apply something only can download tis la that la

MFM their map update every week and no limitation

Since use MFM got no regrets who copy who its not important what important its useful to end user
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I think what he meant is the background color of the map is black (like in night mode).
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Mine working fine day time its white and night time its black.
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QUOTE(KannaSai1 @ Oct 28 2010, 04:01 AM)
bro, u colour blind ? garmin road is in pink colour.
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His device can only show balck and white, nostalgic item ...
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QUOTE(cloudhenri @ Oct 27 2010, 11:19 AM)
without AGPS.  I don't subscribe to data package.
you dont need data package to use agps.

try go to:

Start>Settings>system>enhanced GPS set both options to disable

without agps see if it locks this fast.
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i hv used Garmin Nuvi, Garmin Mobile XT, Papago for iphone, Tom Tom for iphone.

from my exprience, Garmin Nuvi and Garmin Mobile XT are suitable GPS software for me as the interface quite friendly. and please dont use map from Garmin, u should use open source map like Malfreemap cos it updated weekly.


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post Oct 28 2010, 11:46 AM


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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Oct 28 2010, 11:25 AM)
you dont need data package to use agps.

try go to:

Start>Settings>system>enhanced GPS set both options to disable

without agps see if it locks this fast.
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oh ... tried but M10 don't have the "enhanced GPS" setting you mentioned but the specs mentioned it has AGPS. Probably can't be deactivated huh?! By the way, thanks for enhancing my knowledge. Always tot tat AGPS need internet connection ... after check wiki, seems like mobile phone AGPS has other ways ^ ^

Copy from wiki : icon_idea.gif
A typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection (Internet or other) to contact the assistance server for aGPS information. If it also has functioning autonomous GPS, it may use standalone GPS, which is sometimes slower on time to first fix, but does not depend on the network, and therefore can work beyond network range. Some aGPS devices do not have the option of falling back to standalone or autonomous GPS.

Many mobile phones combine A-GPS and other location services including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell-site triangulation and sometimes a hybrid positioning system.

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QUOTE(cloudhenri @ Oct 28 2010, 11:46 AM)
Probably can't be deactivated huh?! 
this review says that it can be deactivated in garmin itself.
"The AGPS option can be turned on and off as per users liking, though if you have a data plan, it doesn't hurt to leave it on."
http://vr-zone.com/print/garmin-asus-nuvif...eview/8752.html

should be in navigation>gps

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Oct 28 2010, 11:59 AM)
this review says that it can be deactivated in garmin itself.
"The AGPS option can be turned on and off as per users liking, though if you have a data plan, it doesn't hurt to leave it on."
http://vr-zone.com/print/garmin-asus-nuvif...eview/8752.html

should be in navigation>gps
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hmmmm ... still nothing .. unless the "Auto Update" and "GPS Data Update" are related to the AGPS ... These features need connection to the internet. I disable it and only update it using wifi.
Or you are talking about "location updates" in the "connected services"? This feature needs the internet too.

If these are AGPS services, then I have disable all of them. icon_rolleyes.gif

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I wont comment on device. there are many types of device.

The search function in Garmin beats all. I have installed TomTom/Papago in iPhone to try. what a shame ! I cant search road number.

Garmin on my OLD HTC phone beats them away by the search function alone.

PapaGo prompts a annoying, its keep talking.

Getting satelite fix in 5-10 sec isnt big deal if you think practically. it takes little longer when you are moving.

Navigation wise as long as it shows you the road should be good enough dont expect these GPS device to tell you drive which lane too.

Finally if you buying dedicated GPS device, buy most cheap Garmin model. Trust me you dont need those fancy feature that makes you to pay 1k+

btw using GPS almost 4yrs.
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QUOTE(cloudhenri @ Oct 28 2010, 12:15 PM)
hmmmm ... still nothing .. unless the "Auto Update" and "GPS Data Update" are related to the AGPS ... These features need connection to the internet.  I disable it and only update it using wifi.
Or you are talking about "location updates" in the "connected services"?  This feature needs the internet too.

If these are AGPS services, then I have disable all of them.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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i am also not sure about location updates.

i think now the best way to determine is to take out the simcard and let the phone in offline mode.

go to a new location, if it can still get lock outside under 5 sec, it rocks.


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Finally if you buying dedicated GPS device, buy most cheap Garmin model. Trust me you dont need those fancy feature that makes you to pay 1k+
there is one garmin gps that i like, cost rm900++ few month ago, it is not about the feature but its' size, really slim.

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QUOTE(dwijadas @ Oct 28 2010, 12:31 PM)

Getting satelite fix in 5-10 sec isnt big deal if you think practically. it takes little longer when you are moving.

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My fren "GPS Bay" takes more than 15 minutes outdoor, if lucky. Just imagine your whole family happily ready to go somewhere, turn on the engine but need to sit there and wait for at least 15 minutes for satellite lock, with no guarantee ?! How does it feel? cry.gif , mad.gif or vmad.gif


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Never used Papago before.. using Garmin. So far very satisfied with it. Even some infamous kopitiam also the gps can find rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Oct 28 2010, 12:48 PM)
i am also not sure about location updates.

i think now the best way to determine is to take out the simcard and let the phone in offline mode.

go to a new location, if it can still get lock outside under 5 sec, it rocks.

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want to get fast lock? easy..

open google maps.. until got locked position..

close google maps

open ur gps application

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i dunno. i feel comfortable with Garmin.

So I don't intend to change.

Although the cost is slightly higher than Papago, i think the brand will definitely give better satisfaction.



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yea i feel secure with garmin even i get lost or it lead me middle of no way it still gets me to my destination i tried other gps app before lost make u-turn u-turn den destination bring me middle of no where arrived at your destination but at a lonely road no where
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I prefer garmin. The latest garmin 3790 has this terrain features which is kinda questionable whether it serves any purpose.
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For hiking and exploring it serve alot of purpose for drive around in town of course not
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bro, i think nothing is the best, just depend on how u judge them.
for me, i strongly recommend GARMIN.
i use it for 1 and half year, it is reliable because it "bring" me to every corner of half a peninsular malaysia. useful and the satelite reception also improved. *double thumb up*
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well... i use papago & Igo8. Igo8 has a most user friendly gui quite similar to Garmin but map is not updated. Papago with MFM a bit lagged but most updated map+pois.
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Garmin Nuvi 1350 or Papago R6100?
Both almost the same price but garmin screen size is 4.3" compared to 5" for papago.
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i use Garmin mobile on my n97mini, not perfect but is ok

compared to my bro's Papago on HTC desire... not so good
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for me



i would prefer garmin with malsingmap,coz for me, papago file the size kinda big but the 3D building is really nice


other then garmin ,i like nokia ovi map 3.0 coz ovi map support poskod while garmin dun have
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i two also hv using o ..........................
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used both, although there are rooms for improvement. For now, my votes go to Garmin ... life saver at least for me at times that i am lost..
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i prefer garmin...but currently no droid version...
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Prefer garmin with malsing too . If u are really lost u can rely on garmin + malsing. i scare of other not up to date bring me in circle when i am late then ask me turn into the wall.
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got Papago for Symbian or not..

Been using Garmin Mobile XT on my nokias..never failed me once.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Nov 29 2010, 11:48 AM)
got Papago for Symbian or not..

Been using Garmin Mobile XT on my nokias..never failed me once.
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Is there Garmin / Papago for Nokia N8? If so, is it free or have to buy?
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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Nov 29 2010, 09:24 PM)
Is there Garmin / Papago for Nokia N8? If so, is it free or have to buy?
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papago give a lot of reminders regarding speed limit, but i prefer it bcoz of junction view
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QUOTE(herofire86 @ Dec 9 2010, 01:16 PM)
papago give a lot of reminders regarding speed limit, but i prefer it bcoz of junction view
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garmin mobile cool...
if standalone gps, i will choose papago..
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i'm using garmin XT on my HTC Diamond 2, and i'm happy with it.

recently aiming on Garmin Nuvi 1350...

a question here, any different between garmin XT and the Nuvi 1350?
worth that for me to get the Nuvi 1350 since i already got Garmin XT?


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i got papago h5600 hd and garmin nuvi
i prefer garmin1250 .smooth and fast.


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garmin on my nokia e71 and Papago on my Xperia X10...
i prefer Papago becos of junction view... so far, never led me to use the wrong route..

once i met a 3 exits on a freeway, side by side....
garmin told me to take the next exit...
aiyo.. which exit should i take.. 1, 2 or 3??

but with papago... easier....


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i got papago h5600 hd and garmin nuvi
i prefer garmin1250 .smooth and fast.
papago h5600 is not a bit lag. its lot of lag..its annoying.
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urs is using standalone unit?
mine is papago x5 on xperia x10... seems to be very fast... no lag at all....

or maybe u drive too fast?? brows.gif

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QUOTE(abundai @ Jan 6 2011, 05:05 AM)
garmin on my nokia e71 and Papago on my Xperia X10...
i prefer Papago becos of junction view... so far, never led me to use the wrong route..

once i met a 3 exits on a freeway, side by side....
garmin told me to take the next exit...
aiyo.. which exit should i take.. 1, 2 or 3??

but with papago... easier....


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urs is using standalone unit?
mine is papago x5 on xperia x10... seems to be very fast... no lag at all....

or maybe u drive too fast??  brows.gif
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try u compare with standalone unit garmin .not garmin xt.
garmin standalone 10x responsive then garmin xt,

papago h5600 hd. just release October 2010.using x7 .satellite reception is fast.and calculate poi,kota bharu to johor or whatever place also take not more then 5second.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=262983&id=281733774932
UI al lil bit lag.maybe coz lot of 3D,but how to solve this?.
although im just bought it.but im planning to buy new one which is garmin 3790t soon.

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never received any reminders about speed limit yet..or im too slow??? laugh.gif
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Garmin and Papago are quite famous software for GPS in Malaysia. Thus, I was wondering which brand is the best?
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Garmin Nuvi 1350 or Papago R6100?
Both almost the same price but garmin screen size is 4.3" compared to 5" for papago.
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Maps get updated every week brows.gif
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QUOTE(CoolBoy89 @ Jan 11 2011, 10:32 PM)
Papago > Garmin
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wow.... any real user sharing here ?
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QUOTE(elvis. @ Jan 11 2011, 10:02 PM)
thanks for the information , how about papago ?
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once a month as i been using this few months back wink.gif
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depending on the speed of the cpu, if pda speeds below 500mhz, may be a bit laggy
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@@ ? any specific reason ?
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i will go for garmin...because the interface...
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but it will bring you to the wrong exit .....  rclxub.gif
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biggrin.gif same experience here.....

if only Garmin XT mobile have junction view on smartphone, then i'd go for Garmin ..

but if i were to buy a standalone unit, i think i'd go for Garmin cos i prefer garmin voice navigator style...
Papago repeats too much...
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biggrin.gif  same experience here.....

if only Garmin XT mobile have junction view on smartphone, then i'd go for Garmin ..

but if i were to buy a standalone unit, i think i'd go for Garmin cos i prefer garmin voice navigator style...
Papago repeats too much...
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I just bought the WayWay Q5033 yesterday. Not related to Garmin but it is from M3 Asia too (same as Papago). It costs RM599. I tested the route back to my house. It located the street but didn't take me to my doorstep.

It's quite fast (going through menus). Too bad I can't change the voice. It's white. 5". Has a multimedia player. It found the satellite quite fast.

I wonder whether I should have just bought the Garmin 1250. 'Cos it's cheaper.

I wonder if Garmin can take me to my doorstep.
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QUOTE(pigduck @ Jan 13 2011, 10:45 AM)
I just bought the WayWay Q5033 yesterday. Not related to Garmin but it is from M3 Asia too (same as Papago). It costs RM599. I tested the route back to my house. It located the street but didn't take me to my doorstep.

It's quite fast (going through menus). Too bad I can't change the voice. It's white. 5". Has a multimedia player. It found the satellite quite fast.

I wonder whether I should have just bought the Garmin 1250. 'Cos it's cheaper.

I wonder if Garmin can take me to my doorstep.
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yes garmin can.

your wayway is running wince? then you can install garmin in it.
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Used both Garmin and Papago on seperate smartphones. IMO i prefer Garmin's voice navigation seems like more simple for me. And the directions on the map, at least for me i still can figure it out and did not got lost on Garmin. While for Papago, the voice commands seems to be long and repeating for me, i got confused sometimes.
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QUOTE(xin @ Jan 13 2011, 11:32 AM)
Used both Garmin and Papago on seperate smartphones. IMO i prefer Garmin's voice navigation seems like more simple for me. And the directions on the map, at least for me i still can figure it out and did not got lost on Garmin. While for Papago, the voice commands seems to be long and repeating for me, i got confused sometimes.
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i have just installed papago inside my Android Froyo 2.2 ... not bad
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yes garmin can.

your wayway is running wince? then you can install garmin in it.
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REally? I can install Garmin on it? How? I think it's running WinCE. I have the media player and everything.
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REally? I can install Garmin on it? How? I think it's running WinCE. I have the media player and everything.
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try google and see, im also not sure, but wince should be able to install garmin papago etc...
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try google and see, im also not sure, but wince should be able to install garmin papago etc...
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WINCE ?
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I have used Garmin in the past, and I am using Papago at the moment on my Android.

Let me put it this way... The moment Garmin comes out with an Android software, I am going to them.

Just a warning, I really am annoyed with Papago, just that they are the only choice I have right now. So please bear with my rants.

There are two main reasons why I hate Papago, and it is more than enough to really piss me off.


Reason 1

They repeat things 3 times for no frigging reasons.. "In 1km please get ready to turn right.".. "In 300m get ready to turn right"... "please turn right now"... so it gets really annoying..

Not only do they repeat things so many times, but their sentence is so long... it is annoying when on the highways as you're travelling at 80-110km/h, this is enough to have that thing speak to you for the next 2 minutes continuously, just to tell you to turn left?


Reason 2

Their 'lane assist' window box is stupid. They pop up a cool looking image of the 'road' showing which lane to go and all.. but it blocks the most important part of the GUI... the area where it tells you the distance to the turning.. So many times I missed the turning because I was unable to gauge the distance of the turning because the picture was in the way.


These two "features" are something that you endure a lot, and therefore I find really annoying.

Just thought I share it with you guys.
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i think Garmin is still superior to Papago. Just installed Papago on my Android and i think my old Nokia E66 Garmin Mobile XT is still superior in navigation. too bad Garmin is tied only to Asus (at the moment).

and for those saying that Garmin bring you go wrong places, please update your map and quit using Malsing. Use MFM maps
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just exchange my GPS Device named Cruisher running WINCE with Papago install.. too bad the reception.. need to wait almost 30 minute every time want to use.. the signal will appear after several time shutdown and on process.. price.. RM400.. being used to travel to Penang last week.. but damm poor reception... yesterday, exchange to Garmin 1460.. so far so good... but i've love papago interface.. some more, it come with Speed Trap info.. Garmin got ka?
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jan 21 2011, 09:49 PM)
i think Garmin is still superior to Papago. Just installed Papago on my Android and i think my old Nokia E66 Garmin Mobile XT is still superior in navigation. too bad Garmin is tied only to Asus (at the moment).

and for those saying that Garmin bring you go wrong places, please update your map and quit using Malsing. Use MFM maps
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been using their maps for almost a year.. never once bring me to wrong place rclxms.gif

oh i use Garmin XT on Nokia 5800XM
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though the Papago interactive maps looks better and cooler, but i still prefer the simple and clean commands from Garmin. I am using Garmin on my phone and Papago in my car HU unit.
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does garmin has multi languages like papago?

theres even hakka in papago haha
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so now i confuse to choose between nuvi 1460 (which is I buy already) with papago R6100 @ R6600.. for me, garmin interface is just dull.. even if i drive back to my home town.. i can see there is just my driving lane and no other 'parit'.. jalan.. or else indicate at the screen.. compare with papago.. there are quite a number of those parit and jalan available on the map...

any papago user outside that can share ur experience?

Thanks.
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whats the different between low end and high end models? its few hundreds ringgit...is it worth it?
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tumpang thread..

After my research.. most GPS , I mean stand alone, the price is ranged from RM 370++ to RM 1000 ++..

wanna know is there any that below RM 300?

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 2 2011, 06:25 PM)
tumpang thread..

After my research.. most GPS , I mean stand alone, the price is ranged from RM 370++ to RM 1000 ++..

wanna know is there any that below RM 300?

Noob here biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 2 2011, 08:28 PM)
I have never used any standalone GPS but I can go everywhere I wanted to go with my phone GPS. So I reckon, the most cost effective way is to get a smartphone with big screen, get a in car charger and you are good to go. Furthermore, the smartphone can be your office on wheel running Office document, listen to music, watch movies, play games and oh....also make phone calls.
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Actually last time I used before phone + GPS... but not so responsive ( end up miss some turning and get lost). this is the reason I wish to get a GPS stand alone.

I`m currently using iphone 4 also but dunno which apps is good. any recommendation?

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i use papago cause it more easy to use
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I use Papago coz im got android phone biggrin.gif
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ipor only papago lor for M'sian maps. Garmin no longer supporting any platform except their collaboration wth ASUS. The last verison running on Symbian S60V3 still having 2 bugs in Symbian S60V5 & Symbian ^3 & even anna
QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 3 2011, 03:21 PM)
Actually last time I used before phone + GPS... but not so responsive ( end up miss some turning and get lost). this is the reason I wish to get a GPS stand alone.

I`m currently using iphone 4 also but dunno which apps is good. any recommendation?
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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 3 2011, 03:21 PM)
Actually last time I used before phone + GPS... but not so responsive ( end up miss some turning and get lost). this is the reason I wish to get a GPS stand alone.

I`m currently using iphone 4 also but dunno which apps is good. any recommendation?
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Is it due to:
1. Lousy map or out of date maps?
2. Slow in calculating routes?

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I use Papago coz im got android phone biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 4 2011, 12:03 PM)
I use aura on my android because papago sucks
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MM..aura is better? hmm.gif i never use it before ..for me papago work good on my phone
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QUOTE(Farlz_89 @ Jul 4 2011, 12:39 PM)
MM..aura is better? hmm.gif  i never use it before ..for me papago work good on my phone
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 4 2011, 03:29 PM)
papago maps looks so ugly, aura is much prettier, plus it locks much faster than papago.  this is my experience
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Aura use offline map?
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for phone i choose aura faster lock than papago. heard that ovi is great but never use any nokia smart phone before. for navigator i think garmin better.
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Yes
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Got any lag when use it?
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You have link to download it? Can give me  drool.gif
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use google, no lag whatsoever
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Ok i will try it. TQ
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Don't only look for those Navigator but lack in Maps update-lah.

Some maps might hv better graphic & etc but when comes to POIs & new roads & etc..You can't even find inside the maps.

Other than Garmin & Papago which having weekly & Monthly updates respectively from malfreemaps or malsingmaps (For Garmin wth Junction view), Other Navigators are really pain in the ass...Even Ovimaps..superior interm of UI & etc but lack in road & POIs..

Even the SKVE and LEKAS highways already in malfreemaps since last year still not updated in the latest Ovimaps, google maps & etc

and BTW, for the latest LATAR expressway, even before opening, malfreemaps already updated the maps!
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Don't only look for those Navigator but lack in Maps update-lah.

Some maps might hv better graphic & etc but when comes to POIs & new roads & etc..You can't even find inside the maps.

Other than Garmin & Papago which having weekly & Monthly updates respectively from malfreemaps or malsingmaps (For Garmin wth Junction view), Other Navigators are really pain in the ass...Even Ovimaps..superior interm of UI & etc but lack in road & POIs..

Even the SKVE and LEKAS highways already in malfreemaps since last year still not updated in the latest Ovimaps, google maps & etc

and BTW, for the latest LATAR expressway, even before opening, malfreemaps already updated the maps!
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Yes pls stick for maps updates. Anyway, if you dun update yours also useless haha

For latest papago android maps (Dated 1/6/11) - (I think Jul should be out within this dfew days...
http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=11008

Just follow screen instruction after DL but remember to choose papago X5 otherwise it will not work. Thereafter just copy the whole 31 files to your SD card under NaviSea>Maps>Malaysia folder smile.gif
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OIC..if come like that better im stick with papago nod.gif
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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 5 2011, 04:49 PM)
Yes pls stick for maps updates. Anyway, if you dun update yours also useless haha

For latest papago android maps (Dated 1/6/11) - (I think Jul should be out within this dfew days...
http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=11008

Just follow screen instruction after DL but remember to choose papago X5 otherwise it will not work. Thereafter just copy the whole 31 files to your SD card under NaviSea>Maps>Malaysia folder  smile.gif
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Oo..thanks
Btw currently im use this map http://www.mobilesmania.com/forum/topic/10...s-map-01032011/
Its that any different from map at link u given?

Sorry for my bad english

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same maps lah but outdated. MFM=malfreemaps. the link I given is direct from the original mapper themselve.

Anyway, the review on Sygic maps also featured in MFM site here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1945731

Really impressive & as others mentioned much better UI & graphic than papago/Garmin..too bad as those users said- lack of maps updates & detail maps for Malaysia
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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 5 2011, 09:24 PM)
same maps lah but outdated. MFM=malfreemaps. the link I given is direct from the original mapper themselve.

Anyway, the review on Sygic maps also featured in MFM site here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1945731

Really impressive & as others mentioned much better UI & graphic than papago/Garmin..too bad as those users said- lack of maps updates & detail maps for Malaysia
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Ya..the Sygic ui & graphic look really tempting..if always got update sure i will go with Sygic..
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Garmin better in searching place, papago better in routing
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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 5 2011, 09:24 PM)
same maps lah but outdated. MFM=malfreemaps. the link I given is direct from the original mapper themselve.

Anyway, the review on Sygic maps also featured in MFM site here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1945731

Really impressive & as others mentioned much better UI & graphic than papago/Garmin..too bad as those users said- lack of maps updates & detail maps for Malaysia
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lack of map updates doesn't effect the usability of this navi, i tried getting lost in some back roads inside a city before and it took me (using the shortest route) out of there, this navi is very accurate and effective

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Sorry sifu apple is apple. How good also if there is a road and now block it will still show you that route too. If there new road existence even there is a better or even shorter route your outdated map wont know
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Sorry sifu apple is apple. How good also if there is a road and now block it will still show you that route too. If there new road existence even there is a better or even shorter route your outdated map wont know
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well it's better than papago that won't work on devices with low gps receiving like the desire HD. it takes forever to lock gps using papago, it takes about 5 seconds for aura. I'll take the long route any day because I'll actually REACH MY DESTINATION before the gps locks on papago, thank you

plus, this is malaysia, they r ALWAYS blocking, fixing, changing roads, what's the point of updating the map when it will be outdated every week or so. What we need is an accurate navi that will get us out of a fix when we needed it the most, fast response to route changing and reliable. and aura has the most POIs (and very update too), this is what u needed most when u go to a place u don't know anything about. If u travel a lot u will agree with me on this

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Nvm sifu someday it happen to u then u understand u will understand how important is up to date map like garmin. Rushing and ure lost and it lead u in circle.
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Your arguement reminded me of another guy in Nokia N8 thread that mati-mati wanna protect the superiority of Ovimaps compare to Garmin smile.gif ..So I don;t a substative testing comparing the routing & also the detail of Garmin-Malfreemaps compare wth Ovimaps.

He even highlight the superiority of ovimaps routing but from my testing- Ovimaps routing is really bullshit biggrin.gif ..Well, the Highways that I mentioned earlier that were completed since early 2010..Till Today already >1.5 yrs..stilll not updated yet in ovimaps..well, probably is sygic/aura & googlemaps too.

An updated maps is way more important & so do the routing, POIs search & etc...I already in the GPS since early stage of GPS started in Malaysia...I was using the 1st batch of available maps by malsingmaps and that time so dissapointed that the whole of Puchong, only about 50% coverage. That's started my contribution and learning to contribute to the communities...Tnx god, by now, roads surrounding Puchong is updated in Garmin/papago malfreemaps weeks or even months before residents or highway completed smile.gif

BTW, comparing to those maps by sygic/Aura, they are just commercial based maps & not as detail & updated as those community based mapps....Give yopu an example...This area in Puchong Bdr Puteri, the new shop houses & also the new Section 6 has just been completed and the road in the shoplots only half tarmac-ted when I mapped it (Via MTB) on Sunday...Well, It will be updated./publish next Monday...just check how updated is malfreemaps... rclxms.gif

http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=154573#p154573

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well it's better than papago that won't work on devices with low gps receiving like the desire HD.  it takes forever to lock gps using papago, it takes about 5 seconds for aura.  I'll take the long route any day because I'll actually REACH MY DESTINATION before the gps locks on papago, thank you

plus, this is malaysia, they r ALWAYS blocking, fixing, changing roads, what's the point of updating the map when it will be outdated every week or so.  What we need is an accurate navi that will get us out of a fix when we needed it the most, fast response to route changing and reliable.  and aura has the most POIs (and very update too), this is what u needed most when u go to a place u don't know anything about.  If u travel a lot u will agree with me on this
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wow u so free to write so much stuff here, and who's protecting what now??? I'm not protecting Aura, it's just I've used both papago and Aura before, and it's my personal preference of using Aura, that's all

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NVM, atleast i state my point on the community mappings in Malaysia and how these 2 malsingmaps & malfreemaps started way back in 2003 by a Singaporean & a m'sian enthuthiasts.

Without them, there will be no detail commercial maps as per Today. I respect your preference on Aura and we hope either malsingmaps & maolfreemaps will expand by colloborating with them too so that we can have malfreemaps installed in sygic/aura for better navi IU. & more hardware that support these updated maps.

But for you telling others that updated maps is not important really hurt the feeliong of those spending their weekend tracking miles & miles and having wife nagging inside the car for following us tracking new roads...

They are the pioneer that resulted in the GPS blooming in malaysia since recentr years..and you should thank the communities for the most updated maps in M'sia. For your info, I have evidence of those commercial maps copying malsingmaps & malfreemaps data and build they maps..damn cheating haha

Even some of the time bomb placed inside malsingmaps/malfreemaps been copied by Googlemaps!! I was so proud when googlemaps having my tracklogs & road nemed after my name years ago haha..Well, years ago b4 goopglemaps deleted their copied road, you can find "Lorong stimix" in googlemaps haha
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sorry if i offended u, i use sygic because it works for me, and not papago (it doesn't really work on my DHD because of gps lock is frustrating). plus it saved me from a lot of trouble getting out of back roads and small towns. i don't use it in KL because I know the roads like the back of my hand, the only city / state big enough for me to really need navi is Penang and Singapore, and I'll tell u Penang's roads are ALWAYS under construction and changing really quickly, just like KL, sometimes 6 months didn't visit got new flyover already........but for me (personal opinion) accuracy, response, POI and gps lock (on android at least) is more important than map updates because no matter how outdated the maps are, there WILL BE some roads that will never change, ever, even if it takes me twice as long to get to my destination, well, at least i can reach there without sweating due to lost in the jungle (of concrete)
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Garmin and Papago are quite famous software for GPS in Malaysia. Thus, I was wondering which brand is the best?
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i like to use papago. but i have the garmin new map july 2011. http://www.easy-share.com/1916505761/MFM-Garmin-110704.exe
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Sifu trying to show that updated maps helps alot especially when navigating example of garmin if u cant find the road u can find shop name or even landmark due to its up to date POI.

My accord is using papago. Its searches its not as flexible as garmin. Of course navigation UI all this models is way better than garmin because garmin stop updating its software but only the map is keep getting up to date.


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Ehhh..Why goto those file sharing to Dl when you can get directly free from the original source biggrin.gif

BTW, malfreemaps has just u[pdated the July version of papago:

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i like to use papago. but i have the garmin new map july 2011. http://www.easy-share.com/1916505761/MFM-Garmin-110704.exe
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 6 2011, 09:38 AM)
well it's better than papago that won't work on devices with low gps receiving like the desire HD.  it takes forever to lock gps using papago, it takes about 5 seconds for aura.  I'll take the long route any day because I'll actually REACH MY DESTINATION before the gps locks on papago, thank you
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What if your destination is not found in the map? I've experienced it before. Want to visit new property area, don't know how to go. Searched Ovi Maps, blank area. Google Maps, blank area. Enter area name into Papago, BAM, it shows me the way. This is a very important factor for me, because usually I use GPS for unplanned trips. If planned, I have other sources like Internet, ask friends, use real maps, etc.

Tip: don't use Papago to lock onto the GPS, use another software, then switch to Papago. No problems every time.

QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 5 2011, 09:24 PM)
same maps lah but outdated. MFM=malfreemaps. the link I given is direct from the original mapper themselve.

Anyway, the review on Sygic maps also featured in MFM site here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1945731

Really impressive & as others mentioned much better UI & graphic than papago/Garmin..too bad as those users said- lack of maps updates & detail maps for Malaysia
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What if your destination is not found in the map?  I've experienced it before.  Want to visit new property area, don't know how to go.  Searched Ovi Maps, blank area.  Google Maps, blank area.  Enter area name into Papago, BAM, it shows me the way.  This is a very important factor for me, because usually I use GPS for unplanned trips.  If planned, I have other sources like Internet, ask friends, use real maps, etc.

Tip:  don't use Papago to lock onto the GPS, use another software, then switch to Papago.  No problems every time.
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Opsss...haha given the wrong link..actually it's in MFM not LYN haha

Here..Have to agree that the IU & graphic really cool..but as those reviewed said- M'sia maps still not as updated ..Hope malfreemaps will be able to provide maps for Sygic... rclxms.gif
http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f...990&hilit=sygic
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Link broken, bro.  Care to repost?  Wanna try Sygic.
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Added on July 7, 2011, 12:24 pmBro, be more positive.. give me the cooridnate & I show you...You should give malfreemaps a try smile.gif All the hard working ppl going MTB, $WD entering those dirt tracks..well not all but keep on expanding smile.gif

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 7 2011, 10:33 AM)
If my map don't show anything, then I will my switch my OVI Maps to "Walk" mode and use the compass to show me the direction in a straight line & distance to final destination. And believe me, some of the places I go, I doubt even Malfree map got map because there are no physical road in the 1st place, only dirt track.
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Bro, be more positive.. give me the cooridnate & I show you...You should give malfreemaps a try  smile.gif All the hard working ppl going MTB, $WD entering those dirt tracks..well not all but keep on expanding  smile.gif
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Deep inside Mukah jungle & Sarikei in Sarawak..OK no lor haha..Not many active GPS trackers in Sarawak.. I dun think ovimaps also having any maps inside these areas biggrin.gif

What I mean are those famous MTB or 4WD jungle tracks in Pen Malaysia..mostly inside malfreemaps dy..Even you can see tracks to lotsa famous summit of mountain in Pen Malaysia side. but not navigeable via satelite..bcos detached from the main road on purpose...Otherwise..very misleading smile.gif
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 7 2011, 10:33 AM)
If my map don't show anything, then I will my switch my OVI Maps to "Walk" mode and use the compass to show me the direction in a straight line & distance to final destination. And believe me, some of the places I go, I doubt even Malfree map got map because there are no physical road in the 1st place, only dirt track.
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What direction? What destination? Can't find the place, don't know where it is, how to find it on Ovi Maps?
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Ovimaps is only superior when you need free oversea maps. but when comes to malaysia, really cacat lor. Lotsa routing error & not as updated maps & POI compare to Garmin/papago -malfreemaps.

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What direction?  What destination?  Can't find the place, don't know where it is, how to find it on Ovi Maps?
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This one any GPS navigator also can liao lor..just key in the coordinate & just follow the way there wth a compass biggrin.gif .

Bro, you really need to try out other navigator lor...dun only stick to only one, there are pros & cons on others too..Now I'm really tempted on Sygic liao haha drool.gif Just hope malfreemaps in future able to work wth them notworthy.gif
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It only work if you already know the coordinates.
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This one any GPS navigator also can liao lor..just key in the coordinate & just follow the way there wth a compass  biggrin.gif .

Bro, you really need to try out other navigator lor...dun only stick to only one, there are pros & cons on others too..Now I'm really tempted on Sygic liao haha drool.gif Just hope malfreemaps in future able to work wth them  notworthy.gif
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For me UI also nice but the most important thing is the accuracy or routing and also the most updated maps.
Any navigator also can bring you fom point A to B. There is no deny on it but if one navigator routed you 30KM xtra from another which is much more accurate or even suggested weird routing ..That's no good dy..
I tested so many times on Ovimaps & Garmin & ovimaps till Today really lousy. Well, anyway, I still like Ovimaps UI compare to Garmin haha smile.gif ..The routing & also Ovimaps reluctant to corporate wth malfreemaps also resulted wth them having their own lousy maps supplier wth outdated maps...

Wth the none inclusion of lotsa new Highways in Klang Valley, imagine going from the Southern part of Kalng Valley via Kesa Highway to Federal highway.., Ovimaps willo route you an extra 30km bypassing the new LIKAS highway connecting Southern Shah Alam to Northern Shah Alam?

Or imagine in another few more weeks, ppl who use the updated papago/Garmin malfreemaps able to route from Rawang to Ijok/ Kuala Selangor using the LATAR expressway while Ovimaps/Sygic or any commercial maps will route your to NKVE/ Sg Buloh or to Meru Sekinchan area be goping to Kuala Selangor..That will be very far way lor...Yeah you still reach your destination but relying on really outdated routing smile.gif

FYI, The LIKAS & SKVE highway already updated since last year but till Today not yet in Ovimaps & Googlemaps..Presumably not in also in any commercial maps Today smile.gif

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I actually started off with Nokia Maps and Garmin. But I like the UI of Maps better and stick with that. Beside, after I reset the phone, the Garmin had become inoperable so never bother since. For me, as long as it can get me from A to B, it's fine with me.
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Just to highlight another achievement on latest malfreemaps issued 3 days ago- LATAR expressway - Completely covered even before opening smile.gif

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Just check the progress of MFM champion track contributor unker "Tuah" spending his few precious weekend since Early June to track & cover this highway & resulted in the most latest updated maps available in Malaysia notworthy.gif rclxms.gif

http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11024

Those ppl using this latest maps and coming from near Rawang will be the 1st be able to route using this latest maps smile.gif
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Ya, may be it's about time to have a relook at Garmin but unfortunately, it is no longer working in my phone.

How much is the original Garmin XT? Can it only be installed in 1 phone or multiple phone?
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Garmin no longer support any platform except their own Asus-Garmin dy..Currently Only Symbian & Windows mobile phone able to install this however Nokia S60 & S^3 having 2 bugs still yet to fix 7 no longer any support to rectify the bugs. However still can be used.

You can't buy this Garmin MXT anymore & hv to look for unker google help liao..or..
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Actually last time I used before phone + GPS... but not so responsive ( end up miss some turning and get lost). this is the reason I wish to get a GPS stand alone.

I`m currently using iphone 4 also but dunno which apps is good. any recommendation?
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There is Garmin... But must see whether got map or not for Malaysia.... And u cant manually update the map..... Cos its an iPhone
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Pls dun give misleading info-lah.. There is no Garmin for iphone. Iphone having few GPS navigators and one of them is papago that able to run on the free malfreemaps.

BTW, if it's Garmin (esp those running on Symbian or Winmo platform, there's maps available either malfreemaps or malsingmaps. So do not confuse ppl saying there is no free M'sia maps for Garmin smile.gif
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There is Garmin... But must see whether got map or not for Malaysia.... And u cant manually update the map..... Cos its an iPhone
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http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-stre...&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
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BTW, if it's Garmin (esp those running on Symbian or Winmo platform, there's maps available either malfreemaps or malsingmaps. So do not confuse ppl saying there is no free M'sia maps for Garmin  smile.gif
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Garmin no longer support any platform except their own Asus-Garmin dy..Currently Only Symbian & Windows mobile phone able to install this however Nokia S60 & S^3 having 2 bugs still yet to fix 7 no longer any support to rectify the bugs. However still can be used.

You can't buy this Garmin MXT anymore & hv to look for unker google help liao..or..
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Other than Garmin & Papago which having weekly & Monthly updates respectively from malfreemaps or malsingmaps (For Garmin wth Junction view), Other Navigators are really pain in the ass...Even Ovimaps..superior interm of UI & etc but lack in road & POIs..
I compared Garmin with OVI and found:

1. OVI seems to be able to start calculating route faster from the word 'go'. This is expected because of better integration since hardware and software are from the same manufacturer.

2. There is an 20+ years old housing estate bitumen road and surprise surprise, OVI shows the road but latest Malfreemap say no road. Beside that one surprise I encountered, I find Malfreemaps generally having more road coverage.

3. Search function on Garmin is vastly superior. But both can't search using coordinate without creating Landmark or My Location first.

4. OVI seems to give more precise turn-by-turn instruction and when you are just about to turn, it will tell you to turn. While Garmin does give advanced turn instruction but at the precise moment of turning, it sometimes kept totally quiet.

5. Garmin seems to be able to lock onto satellite a split second faster. Both on AGPS.

6. Without saying, malfreemaps has tons of POI whereas OVI only have a few kilogram. But personal view says OVI UI is nicer.

7. May be I don't know how with Garmin but with OVI, I can switch to Satellite views if I wanted to.

8. Garmin allows you to send your location to friends via SMS but not OVI.



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garmin xt:
pros:
1. can set custom avoidance: area or road
2. can give u direction of all POI (with arrow of direction) from your current location
3. can set custom route ahead and call out when needed
4. can track
5. intergrate with mapsource make backup and manage
"my location" easier
6. can search POI "current route"
7. 2 weeks update of malfreemap (where to find such latest map in this world)??
8. SBAS works with gps bluetooth receiver
9. multiple maps

cons:
1. no north arrow at map (this arrow is useful when u r at pedesterian mode)

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she never failed me.

i'm sorry for papago and ovi map for ur CMI.

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There is garmin for iphone but u cant install map . I tested it before on my ipad


Added on July 11, 2011, 12:39 amCorrection MFM updates weekly

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QUOTE(jigc @ Jul 10 2011, 11:45 PM)

i've travelled to china and HK with garmin xt on 5800.
she never failed me.
You got free map for China or do you have to pay? If free, where?

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try here, mate:

http://www.noeman.org/gsm/garmin-maps/
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This sure is very interesting indeed. Thanks.

But since it Garmin only work in Symbian and BB, I guess still stuck with these 2 phones.


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For sure Garmin having lack of world maps-lah.. Anyway, you can Dl, whole Indonesia maps from nagigasi.net, Phillipines & etc if you google. Those are free maps similar to malsingmaps & malfreemaps. There are others as well such as New Zealand & else where..Otherwise there is a database on other countries via http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/catalogue.php (Well not so detail). Anyway, Agreed that ovimaps is superior on overall world maps other than Malaysia, Thailand & indonesia haha.. biggrin.gif

On your comparison, not a suprise..I found lotsa OLDER roads not in malfreemaps too and lotsa backlanes, sidelanes & factory roads on ovimaps but not in malfreemaps.. reason been..those roads probably not useable anymore, no one track those roads, guarded by guards, & lotsa obstacles that trackers can't enter... smile.gif teleatlas, the maps supplier for Ovimaps probably traced those roads from Googlemaps/google earth & draw...Well lotsa errors bcos googlemaps having alliggnment error & certain roads already no longer there but they still traced it. smile.gif

Malfreemaps based on contribution & lotsa new areas..are awaiting tracker/mappers to tracks & they do have lotsa volunteers there...inc me haha biggrin.gif

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Can you get free maps of other countries that Garmin can read? Are there things like Australiafreemaps or Chinafreemaps made by community that's free likeMalfreemaps?


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I just checked with Garmin website. Seems like they have one for Blackberry. Buying software is an one-off thing but the maps are expensive costing USD150 per region.


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I compared Garmin with OVI and found:

2. There is an 20+ years old housing estate bitumen road and surprise surprise, OVI shows the road but latest Malfreemap say no road. Beside that one surprise I encountered, I find Malfreemaps generally having more road coverage.

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On your comparison, not a suprise..I found lotsa OLDER roads not in malfreemaps too and lotsa backlanes, sidelanes & factory roads on ovimaps but not in malfreemaps.. reason been..those roads probably not useable anymore, no one track those roads, guarded by guards, & lotsa obstacles that trackers can't enter... smile.gif  teleatlas, the maps supplier for Ovimaps probably traced those roads from Googlemaps/google earth & draw...Well lotsa errors bcos googlemaps having alliggnment error & certain roads already no longer there but they still traced it.  smile.gif

Malfreemaps based on contribution & lotsa new areas..are awaiting tracker/mappers to tracks & they do have lotsa volunteers there...inc me haha  biggrin.gif
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Recently I found more road missing (or incomplete meaning it is supposed to join up to a major road but it just stop halfway for no apparent reason) in Malfreemaps but are in OVI maps and these roads are still in active use by the general public and in constant repair by the local authorities. If indeed OVI uses Google maps to draw those road, why can't Malfreemaps?

As for voice instruction, I am beginning to conclude OVI may indeed be superior.

As for contribution, I would like to but don't know how. Seen some instruction but too technical for newbies like me. I sure would like to fix those missing roads. And some of those mainly community build rural non-bitumen road I frequented that is not on any map.

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Can be traceb but not accurate lor bcos of the alignment. Well depending on mapper wehther free to draw or not. contributed tracks is more valued compare to google maps trace. & certain backlanes & factories roads actually not really useful & thus excluded (Not all). Overall, on latest new roads- & whole urban areas in Malaysia - malfreemaps superior but on very old, factory road, backlanes - Ovimaps.

Voice instruction- Yes ovimaps better but Routing error is terrible in ovimaps lor & the fact or the major new highways & etc not in the maps..

Yeah those community built roads in rural areas should be included...BTW, to contribute using your nokia, try race chrono or sport tracker on how to record GPS track...thereafter the recorded track can be contribute. also you can DL free the Garmin - Mapsource to replay your recorded track and view it or even playback on google maps/ google earth
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Recently I found more road missing (or incomplete meaning it is supposed to join up to a major road but it just stop halfway for no apparent reason) in Malfreemaps but are in OVI maps and these roads are still in active use by the general public and in constant repair by the local authorities. If indeed OVI uses Google maps to draw those road, why can't Malfreemaps?

As for voice instruction, I am beginning to conclude OVI may indeed be superior.

As for contribution, I would like to but don't know how. Seen some instruction but too technical for newbies like me. I sure would like to fix those missing roads. And some of those mainly community build rural non-bitumen road I frequented that is not on any map.
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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 12 2011, 07:24 AM)
Can be traceb but not accurate lor bcos of the alignment. Well depending on mapper wehther free to draw or not. contributed tracks is more valued compare to google maps trace. & certain backlanes & factories roads actually not really useful & thus excluded (Not all). Overall, on latest new roads- & whole urban areas in Malaysia - malfreemaps superior but on very old, factory road, backlanes - Ovimaps.

Voice instruction- Yes ovimaps better but Routing error is terrible in ovimaps lor & the fact or the major new highways & etc not in the maps..

Yeah those community built roads in rural areas should be included...BTW, to contribute using your nokia, try race chrono or sport tracker on how to record GPS track...thereafter the recorded track can be contribute. also you can DL free the Garmin - Mapsource to replay your recorded track and view it or even playback on google maps/ google earth
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LOL I have Sport Tracker but never use. I thought it's only suitable for short running track and didn't know it can be used to record long.....say 50 or 100-km driving distance.

On voice instruction. I just found how bad Garmin can be. For example, it told me to turn left and a split second later, told me to keep right rclxub.gif

Not to say there are no mistakes with OVI but those are typically telling you to take the longer way but at least it's less confusing.


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My fren house is not in ovi maps. When I was there once I got a locked it show me I am middle of no where. Here garmin is up to date
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im not sure if u can even compare this 2
there isnt any garmin apps for both android and iOS. garmin is used for selected models only, namely asus due to their asus-garmin partnership

papago on the other hand is downloadable and can be used on almost every android/iOS phone.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 12 2011, 09:24 AM)
My fren house is not in ovi maps. When I was there once I got a locked it show me I am middle of no where. Here garmin is up to date
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How old are are these housing estate? So far, those I found that are not shown on Malfreemaps are all over 20 to 30 years old housing estate road, still in constant use and non-gated. Of course ignoring those brand new estates that are not shown on both OVI and Malfreemaps

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Garmin good in searching map, papago good in navigation
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about 10 years or so but garmin got road.

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I got another potentially dangerous voice navigation from Garmin tonight.

Dual lane road. 1st got incomplete instruction, only heard the word "left". A second later, I heard the instruction "turn right"......

If I had went to left lane as first instructed and immediately had to turn right (mere 20 meters away), then I would have to immediately cut cross the lane to my right to turn right. It could had ended in an accident by hitting the car on the right lane. Luckily I was just testing Garmin on road I am very familiar with.

In this particular case, Turn Right is the correction direction and I don't know why it said "left" initially.

IMO, Garmin XT definitely got inferior voice navigation compared to OVI V3.04.

I also suspect it also has inferior routing but need further checking out.


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Inferior voice yes on Garmin bcos I luv the graphic & also the voice on Ovi but routing no way inferior lor..Ovi routing is the one dissapoint me few times liao haha
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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 13 2011, 07:10 AM)
Inferior voice yes on Garmin bcos I luv the graphic & also the voice on Ovi but routing no way inferior lor..Ovi routing is the one dissapoint me few times liao haha
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Which version OVI were you using before? Mine is 3.04
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 12 2011, 08:22 AM)
LOL I have Sport Tracker but never use. I thought it's only suitable for short running track and didn't know it can be used to record long.....say 50 or 100-km driving distance.

On voice instruction. I just found how bad Garmin can be. For example, it told me to turn left and a split second later, told me to keep right  rclxub.gif

Not to say there are no mistakes with OVI but those are typically telling you to take the longer way but at least it's less confusing.
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Err.. nothing wrong with turning left then keeping right, yes?
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Err.. nothing wrong with turning left then keeping right, yes?
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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 12 2011, 12:01 AM)
For sure Garmin having lack of world maps-lah.. Anyway, you can Dl, whole Indonesia maps from nagigasi.net, Phillipines & etc if you google. Those are free maps similar to malsingmaps & malfreemaps. There are others as well such as New Zealand & else where..Otherwise there is a database on other countries via http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/catalogue.php (Well not so detail). Anyway, Agreed that ovimaps is superior on overall world maps other than Malaysia, Thailand & indonesia haha.. biggrin.gif

On your comparison, not a suprise..I found lotsa OLDER roads not in malfreemaps too and lotsa backlanes, sidelanes & factory roads on ovimaps but not in malfreemaps.. reason been..those roads probably not useable anymore, no one track those roads, guarded by guards, & lotsa obstacles that trackers can't enter... smile.gif  teleatlas, the maps supplier for Ovimaps probably traced those roads from Googlemaps/google earth & draw...Well lotsa errors bcos googlemaps having alliggnment error & certain roads already no longer there but they still traced it.  smile.gif

Malfreemaps based on contribution & lotsa new areas..are awaiting tracker/mappers to tracks & they do have lotsa volunteers there...inc me haha biggrin.gif
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Ow...malfreemaps atlast going for IGO..My china made PND that runs on IGO really sxxks without a singl;e POIs...Too bad that Chinamade PND kaput liao..haizzz...

Now hopefully malfreemaps going for Sygic..this one lagi chun..lotsa 3D buidings....also if only ovimaps going for malfreemaps instead of teleatlas...I would hv ditch Garmin long time ago haha...The 2 bugs really killing my patient...papago - the search function really lowyah wan!
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ovimaps sux from the beginning of time till now over here in m'sia/sg/indon/thai
between garmin and papago i still like garmin. only thing that kills my patience is the stuff i told u long long time ago about the poi searches.
for poi searches i still like papago's predictive and indexed tabs. fast. for browsing of poi's i'd still use garmin.

yea i saw sygic. not really fantastic yet but they are heavily improving. next time we yam cha i show u igo primo's latest tech. got hold of it not too long ago.

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Hmnnn yeahkah on papago search? But my waifu papago X5 searcjing a POI so susah wan..Not like my Garmin wor..

Wondering anything about Tom-tom on malfreemaps..You expert on Tom-tom us should fight to get OngCC and Sunn negotiate wth them mah haha..now they already have it for Galactio...Dun see this galactio available in m'sia wor
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Garmin do not hv any app for android lah. They do hv for balckberry & Apple but only for US version.

Tom-tom tarak.
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QUOTE(buntutwoman @ Jul 13 2011, 10:44 AM)
ovimaps sux from the beginning of time till now over here in m'sia/sg/indon/thai
between garmin and papago i still like garmin. only thing that kills my patience is the stuff i told u long long time ago about the poi searches.
for poi searches i still like papago's predictive and indexed tabs. fast. for browsing of poi's i'd still use garmin.

yea i saw sygic. not really fantastic yet but they are heavily improving. next time we yam cha i show u igo primo's latest tech. got hold of it not too long ago.
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I lot of people says that and may be the older version suck but definitely not the newer version OVI 3.04.

Having heard so many great things about Garmin and how lousy is OVI, I decided to try both out and I can tell you for sure Garmin's voice navigation is no where as good as OVI. So if OVI suck, then Garmin super suck because it can be super dangerous by giving conflicting instruction or no instruction when you expected it to.

The No.1 problem with OVI is the maps, it does not have many POI comapred to Malfreemaps (honor should go to Malfreemaps and not to Garmin). OVI is now available on iPhone and Andriod and should OVI decided to let the community input POI, it will be very positive development for everybody.





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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 13 2011, 11:15 AM)
Hmnnn yeahkah on papago search? But my waifu papago X5 searcjing a POI so susah wan..Not like my Garmin wor..

Wondering anything about Tom-tom on malfreemaps..You expert on Tom-tom us should fight to get OngCC and Sunn negotiate wth them mah haha..now they already have it for Galactio...Dun see this galactio available in m'sia wor
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anyway let you try igo first. this time around i quite impressed liao. but got 10000 functions that i dont need.


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I lot of people says that and may be the older version suck but definitely not the newer version OVI 3.04.

Having heard so many great things about Garmin and how lousy is OVI, I decided to try both out and I can tell you for sure Garmin's voice navigation is no where as good as OVI. So if OVI suck, then Garmin super suck because it can be super dangerous by giving conflicting instruction or no instruction when you expected it to.

The No.1 problem with OVI is the maps, it does not have many POI comapred to Malfreemaps (honor should go to Malfreemaps and not to Garmin). OVI is now available on iPhone and Andriod and should OVI decided to let the community input POI, it will be very positive development for everybody.
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no, its mainly user problem when you relate it that way.
voice navigation should provide clear cut instructions, and when in doubt , go for visual confirmation. usually seasoned veterans do both as the guidance to the next turn and the turn after that is needed. you as a newbie should begin that principle and understanding it.
this problem is easily rectified if the retailer or the seller guides the person who made the purchase. Not many are capable and professional. They just sell without providing proper usage instructions.

and Ovi maps i have to say again, is lousy. Whether last time or now it is still lousy to me. What was rubbish for SEA is still lousy for SEA now.

as far as voice navigation goes, the clear cut instructions are handed down perfectly well by all. it is how the user interprets it. I personally love tomtom as i'm very used to it. Some find papago annoying and long winded, some love the clear cut instructions from it. At the end of the day, is whether the user can interpret it or not and how fast.

If POI's are your major concern then it shows how much of a newbie you are. So listen to me and listen to me well. the purpose of a navigational unit is to bring you there. Without POI's you can still do a search using road names. It's not difficult to use your eyes to lookout for where the specific shop or place you are looking for is; on that road. The main purpose of POI is to guide and plot for necessary centres such as police stations, clinics and banks and other important locations.

The most important factor in getting a good map, is the routing. How it routes you, is the #1 factor that determines and makes a good map. No point of buying something that routes you and forces you to go on the opposite direction of a 1 way street now is it ?
As an ex-mapper of MFM , i will gladly tell you that the strength of MFM is in its routing system, NOT the number of POI's it has. That would be secondary.


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voice navigation should provide clear cut instructions, and when in doubt , go for visual confirmation. usually seasoned veterans do both as the guidance to the next turn and the turn after that is needed. you as a newbie should begin that principle and understanding it.
this problem is easily rectified if the retailer or the seller guides the person who made the purchase. Not many are capable and professional. They just sell without providing proper usage instructions.

and Ovi maps i have to say again, is lousy. Whether last time or now it is still lousy to me. What was rubbish for SEA is still lousy for SEA now.

as far as voice navigation goes, the clear cut instructions are handed down perfectly well by all. it is how the user interprets it. I personally love tomtom as i'm very used to it. Some find papago annoying and long winded, some love the clear cut instructions from it. At the end of the day, is whether the user can interpret it or not and how fast.

If POI's are your major concern then it shows how much of a newbie you are. So listen to me and listen to me well. the purpose of a navigational unit is to bring you there. Without POI's you can still do a search using road names. It's not difficult to use your eyes to lookout for where the specific shop or place you are looking for is; on that road. The main purpose of POI is to guide and plot for necessary centres such as police stations, clinics and banks and other important locations.

The most important factor in getting a good map, is the routing. How it routes you, is the #1 factor that determines and makes a good map. No point of buying something that routes you and forces you to go on the opposite direction of a 1 way street now is it ?
As an ex-mapper of MFM , i will gladly tell you that the strength of MFM is in its routing system, NOT the number of POI's it has. That would be secondary.
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You may like to reinvent the wheel but normal people don't so listen to me well. While we can indeed find the coordinates by doing some research on the Internet before leaving home, it is far easier if those POI are already in the map because otherwise, it would not be called "Point of Interest", would it? And for tourist like me, Point of Interest means famous sightseeing landmark and nice restaurant, not finding police station and clinic like you do.

As for voice instruction, you acknowlege it should be clear cut so stop making excuses to defend Garmin when it doesn't. Now tell me, how do you interprete "Left" and a mere second later (not 5 seconds later), "turn Right" sounded to you on a multi lane road? Furthermore, the turn is a mere 20+meters away making taking immediate action dangerous. This is clearly a instruction problem and not a interpretation problem. Visual and audio works hand in hand in navigation. To take eyes off the road is dangerous. Do you actually drive a car?

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point of interests. NOT the points of YOUR interests.

and like is said, this is all user problem so it is your problem.

If you think there is an issue with voice guidance via MFM maps, do lodge a report for that particular section with co-ordinates provided and a brief explanation to your encounter. Your issue will be considered and sent for verification and resolve as best as they can.

I have no idea which section you are talking about and since stimix is here you can report to him on that section. Just give him the co-ordinates to your encounter.

And again i will repeat to you on the same matter. A seasoned user will rely on audio interpretation first and then use visual for confirmation. Doing both together is unadvisable.

You say visual and audio works hand in hand, yet you say taking your eyes off the road is dangerous. So what message are you trying to relay to me ? Is it the fact that we have to see and hear the gps ? or the fact that we should just hear and not see as per your 2nd statement ? You are confused and you are confusing me.

And no, i do not drive a car. But i can bet you my bike is a lot more expensive than your car.
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Aigooo..war gonna start liao..haha..

Anyway, irregardless of whatever navigators which have their own pros & cons, The most important thing is the routing, the most updated maps & also POIs (Yeah important to me too..This one I wanna tembak buntut saying not important)

If only ovimaps able to use or years back decided to use malfreemaps instead of teleatlas..I also already stop using Garmin liao haha..Imagine nice voice, much better routing & more updated roads & POIs in ovimaps - That will be great...Too bad they decided otherwise & now more & more commercial navigator wanna use malfreemaps liao..like the mio/IGO navigator or the existing Galactio, papago & Garmin
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haih, my main job last time is to ________. u think i dunno meh. problem u encountered i also encountered but much much worse mia. if i not mistaken ahmun cleared your backlog for you. but then he passed me his backlog. which i'm sure got some of yours i think.

and then it all went downhill from there coz more and more poi and less and less categories to put it in. during my time i alone 1 hero and i am the only person who makan up 22 customed categories. ahmun only use 2 i think. ant also use a few. but i use 22 u say leh. let em $#$#!@#$! me kau kau summore.

anyway no war la. i retired and not gonna waste time with newbie. these newbies can all go join the ranks of aspire and xploit and whats the other funny fella also i forgot liao.

all pandai talk but dunno nothing.


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point of interests. NOT the points of YOUR interests.

and like is said, this is all user problem so it is your problem.

If you think there is an issue with voice guidance via MFM maps, do lodge a report for that particular section with co-ordinates provided and a brief explanation to your encounter. Your issue will be considered and sent for verification and resolve as best as they can.

I have no idea which section you are talking about and since stimix is here you can report to him on that section. Just give him the co-ordinates to your encounter.

And again i will repeat to you on the same matter. A seasoned user will rely on audio interpretation first and then use visual for confirmation. Doing both together is unadvisable.

You say visual and audio works hand in hand, yet you say taking your eyes off the road is dangerous. So what message are you trying to relay to me ? Is it the fact that we have to see and hear the gps ? or the fact that we should just hear and not see as per your 2nd statement ? You are confused and you are confusing me.

And no, i do not drive a car. But i can bet you my bike is a lot more expensive than your car.
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I don't care what is your interest. I only care about what the general public interest is, hence the word "Point of Interest" and why I uses it.

The Malfreemaps looks fine to me. It has the road correctly shown on the map so stop dragging those mapper into it. My limited knowledge seems to indicate it is the navigation software (Garmin) being the problem and not the map. Point is, voice navigation should be correct and you are merely finding indefensible excuse as to why it doesn't have to be correct (because you should also see map to verify).

A responsible driver will get a co-driver to look at the map but I bet you don't know what the word "co-driver" and "responsible' mean. People like you are a menace to other drivers.



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I also semi retire liao there...Only cycle once in blue moon to collect tracklogs haha..That also few mths once..not as active like last time..

Haha...damn you making feel guilty for not updating those outstanding contributed POIs... Nowadays, getting more POIS sy..damn crowded and even Ah Cong, Ali & Muthu sdn Bhd also in the maps....Will be very difficult to maintain esp those co/restaurant chaplap....

BTW, Oldboy Bdr Puteri chaplap liao..no more Teh si special liao

QUOTE(buntutwoman @ Jul 13 2011, 02:43 PM)
haih, my main job last time is to ________. u think i dunno meh. problem u encountered i also encountered but much much worse mia. if i not mistaken ahmun cleared your backlog for you. but then he passed me his backlog. which i'm sure got some of yours i think.

and then it all went downhill from there coz more and more poi and less and less categories to put it in. during my time i alone 1 hero and i am the only person who makan up 22 customed categories. ahmun only use 2 i think. ant also use a few. but i use 22 u say leh. let em $#$#!@#$! me kau kau summore.

anyway no war la. i retired and not gonna waste time with newbie. these newbies can all go join the ranks of aspire and xploit and whats the other funny fella also i forgot liao.

all pandai talk but dunno nothing.
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wah finally chap lap liao. never mind la, still got plenty of places more.
alot of POI's is one good thing, the person who compiles that is in deepshit. this i know for a fact.
but sooner or later which i perceive is that you keep adding but no one takes it out. that's when you're left with a whole load of deepshit to clean. now got about close to 500k if i'm not mistaken.


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I don't care what is your interest. I only care about what the general public interest is, hence the word "Point of Interest" and why I uses it.

The Malfreemaps looks fine to me. It has the road correctly shown on the map so stop dragging those mapper into it. My limited knowledge seems to indicate it is the navigation software (Garmin) being the problem and not the map. Point is, voice navigation should be correct and you are merely finding indefensible excuse as to why it doesn't have to be correct (because you should also see map to verify).

A responsible driver will get a co-driver to look at the map but I bet you don't know what the word "co-driver" and "responsible' mean. People like you are a menace to other drivers.
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no idea what tokking u, go play far far ok ?

1st you said point of interests.
then i say yes, but not points of YOUR interests.
then you say poi's are like restaurants and not police station or clinics.
now u cakap balik saya ? say u dont care of my interest and only care about general public's interest ????

polis stesen/hospital tu la yang general public's interest bodo !
your favourite dining restaurant is who's interest ??? to halal people or non halal people ? to vegetarians tak ?

lagi how do you determine best restaurant ? where to classify ? u see category in papago for halal or vegetarian or not ? do u see it in garmin or igo or not ? do you see it in tomtom or not ? if not there how to put in ? classify under what ?

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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 13 2011, 02:53 PM)
I also semi retire liao there...Only cycle once in blue moon to collect tracklogs haha..That also few mths once..not as active like last time..

Haha...damn you making feel guilty for not updating those outstanding contributed POIs... Nowadays, getting more POIS sy..damn crowded and even Ah Cong, Ali & Muthu sdn Bhd also in the maps....Will be very difficult to maintain esp those co/restaurant chaplap....

BTW, Oldboy Bdr Puteri chaplap liao..no more Teh si special liao
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And too much POI is making the phone uncomfortably slow. Is there a way of deleting some of those POI in our phone's Malfreemaps and only leaving those we are interested in?

Or is there a way of downloading those POI onto our computer, do some deletion and then transfer it back to my phone's OVI?


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no idea what tokking u, go play far far ok ?
So kid, what are you going to do about it if I stay? Cry to mama? Get real...

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no but i'll laugh at your every statement and keep calling you stupid.

deleting some poi's in mfm ..... hahahaha stupid betul. this kinda mentality where to find hahahaha.
summore leaving only those that he is interested in ........ hahahahaha.

Its called making your own map la idiot. I can do it and i have done it. But now can you ? No cause you're too stupid.

get real sendiri la hahahhaa bodohnye orang ini


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trolled and suksesful.

btw this is the realistic part to opti whatever's question.

cross platform does work if you know certain binaries. so assuming you want the poi's from mfm or msm or any other maps, you can copy them out to a certain extent. definitely not all. only some and a very selected some.

that's the easy part. the hard part is the insertion.
lazy man's way is to compile under customed groupings or if not alot, then my fav's folder.
the hard part is the insertion to map via indicators and those are just going to be fake indicators but still triggering as a marker.


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QUOTE(buntutwoman @ Jul 13 2011, 03:27 PM)
no but i'll laugh at your every statement and keep calling you stupid.

deleting some poi's in mfm ..... hahahaha stupid betul. this kinda mentality where to find hahahaha.
summore leaving only those that he is interested in ........ hahahahaha.

Its called making your own map la idiot. I can do it and i have done it. But now can you ? No cause you're too stupid.

get real sendiri la hahahhaa bodohnye orang ini
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Why would I be interested in your police station or clinic or KFC or Maybank or Shell or your lap dance club or whatever and lagging my phone? Why not just keep those I am interested during my trip to Penang and Johore? After all, this is only done on my copy of MFM maps in my phone, not yours or anybody's.

Oh...you have my sympathy on your obviously very difficult upbringing.

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your copy of mfm maps eh ? i'd very much like to see that. please do proceed.
tech knowledge you are indeed lacking. common sense and logic also lacking.
and here you are talking about my upbringing ?


haihz. really bodoh la u. when are you gonna realise that you just spurted out a bunch of gibberish ?

prove me wrong. show me your own map of MFM with only your interested POI's in it. otherwise you are NOTHING.
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QUOTE(buntutwoman @ Jul 13 2011, 06:11 PM)
your copy of mfm maps eh ? i'd very much like to see that. please do proceed.
tech knowledge you are indeed lacking. common sense and logic also lacking.
and here you are talking about my upbringing ?
haihz. really bodoh la u. when are you gonna realise that you just spurted out a bunch of gibberish ?

prove me wrong. show me your own map of MFM with only your interested POI's in it. otherwise you are NOTHING.
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See what I mean? Terrible upbringing. How could any mother bring up a kid saying things like these in public? rclxub.gif

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Papago is better, because have 3D building and so on
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Come on?? Garmin of course.. its been around for ages and tech from US. Papago just a new brand following the same satelite and port as garmin. I also encounter friends who complaint about other brand GPS papago, way way and so on as they are too slow in receiving the signals.

Garmin all the way!!
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Come on?? Garmin of course.. its been around for ages and tech from US. Papago just a new brand following the same satelite and port as garmin. I also encounter friends who complaint about other brand GPS papago, way way and so on as they are too slow in receiving the signals.

Garmin all the way!!
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1 thing I learn about thing 'technology' and that is, age means nothing. If going by your reckoning, NOKIA should be the best smartphone because they have been in phone business for ages compared to Apple. And IBM desktop is still the best.

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I just bought a Nuvi 1350.

Can it show arrow on one-way street?
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 26 2011, 09:25 PM)
1 thing I learn about thing 'technology' and that is, age means nothing. If going by your reckoning, NOKIA should be the best smartphone because they have been in phone business for ages compared to Apple. And IBM desktop is still the best.
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but nokia symbian is so............ u know..
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Using Papago. So far is okay although sometimes bring me to wrong place. Would try Garmin if there is for iPhone.

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Aug 15 2011, 09:23 PM)
but nokia symbian is so............ u know..
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Symbian is perfectly fine for GPS. Doesn't even lost out to dedicated standalone GPS i once tried.



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