I m using Garmin Asus M10 handset. I feel it is the best handphone with GPS. It oni take 1-3 second outdoor n <10 seconds indoor with window nearby to get satellite signal lock.

Satellite reception is super important for navigation. I havent tried papago but i had seen my friends GPS bay (so-called professional M'sian GPS device), nokia, Htc etc, all cant even get any satellite signal indoor evenif windows are nearby. In outdoor opened air, it took them 3-5 min and worst still, during navigation, these devices lost the signal and navigation just halted.

Routing is also another issue and the voice prompting. Pointing you to the wrong way, never inform you before a turn and voicing out when you are driving >100KM/h and just 100m away from the turn (you need to beat Michael 'Shoemaker' in order to be able to make the turn) ... XD ... these are what my frens' cursing experiences with garbish navi devices.

These problems never happen to M10 and M10 is built based on garmin navi devices. I don't know what garmin has done. Beside strong sat reception, the ability to calculate position when there r plenty of high rise buildings around, i also notice that i m prompted to update "satellite information" through net by the garmin devices. I believe these are their secrets.

Btw, if you 12 get a good navi device with no hassel, get the good, internationally well-known product like garmin, tomtom and magellan. You prefer to pay a little bt more for premium quality or you enjoy cursing around while using navi devices? Your choice

GPS bay, papago, mamadrive etc ... ish =='

This post has been edited by cloudhenri: Oct 27 2010, 11:17 AM

without AGPS. I don't subscribe to data package.

Garmin asus m10 supports lane assist, junction view etc...

Lane assist is indeed based on what map your are using. I am using 3 types of maps --> MFM, MSM and City Navigator (garmin official)

Only City Navigator has lane assist. Btw, I find the lane assist abit annoying when driving on high way when it kept asking me to keep right, when just drive straight will do ...

Anyhow, the most updated and beautiful maps come from MFM, for Singapore, Malaysia & Brunei.
MSM is out and copycat of MFM...

This post has been edited by cloudhenri: Oct 27 2010, 03:17 PM

No smoking. Thanks.

For Sing,Mal,Bru maps :-

MFM is the most updated with weekly updates. I found more than 3 areas of highways that exist in MFM but not in City Navi and MSM. For eg. LKSA. Latest version --> 25.10.2010

City NAvi is second best. Latest update 3Q2010 with lane assist. Of course in terms of international mapping, they will be the best of all three.

MSM is outdated. Latest 2Q2010.

Btw, I don't care who copy who. I just want good and updated maps and so far, for local use, MFM is the best.

This post has been edited by cloudhenri: Oct 27 2010, 05:27 PM

His device can only show balck and white, nostalgic item ...

oh ... tried but M10 don't have the "enhanced GPS" setting you mentioned but the specs mentioned it has AGPS. Probably can't be deactivated huh?! By the way, thanks for enhancing my knowledge. Always tot tat AGPS need internet connection ... after check wiki, seems like mobile phone AGPS has other ways ^ ^

Copy from wiki :
A typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection (Internet or other) to contact the assistance server for aGPS information. If it also has functioning autonomous GPS, it may use standalone GPS, which is sometimes slower on time to first fix, but does not depend on the network, and therefore can work beyond network range. Some aGPS devices do not have the option of falling back to standalone or autonomous GPS.

Many mobile phones combine A-GPS and other location services including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell-site triangulation and sometimes a hybrid positioning system.

hmmmm ... still nothing .. unless the "Auto Update" and "GPS Data Update" are related to the AGPS ... These features need connection to the internet. I disable it and only update it using wifi.
Or you are talking about "location updates" in the "connected services"? This feature needs the internet too.

If these are AGPS services, then I have disable all of them.

This post has been edited by cloudhenri: Oct 28 2010, 12:20 PM

5 - 10 sec is a big deal

My fren "GPS Bay" takes more than 15 minutes outdoor, if lucky. Just imagine your whole family happily ready to go somewhere, turn on the engine but need to sit there and wait for at least 15 minutes for satellite lock, with no guarantee ?! How does it feel? , or

Tried with flight mode (i.e. phone service was off) at a new location, about 3-4 second outdoor that include the time of switching on the GPS services (i.e. running the software). To be exact, the satellite lock took about 1-2 second ... so M10 rocks