Forgot to mention the kitchen and maid's room of Anggun 1 and 2. Bad design. The maid's room has no window despite being at the side land. How to cook in such a small kitchen. This means you still gotta spend money building a wet kitchen and perhaps you have to break up the maid room so the dry kitchen becomes bigger and you can use it for dining also. The hall will be very spacious. But there will only be 3 rooms upstairs. It's only 3+1 rooms. then there are wasted spaces outside all the bathrooms. If you break up the wall and extend the bathroom you spend money again. Any reno that involves breaking walls will cost.

Hi Masbruno,

Now only you know how inefficient and shitty Goucoland is. I bought the very fist phase of EW. They don't reply to queries. The sales people aren't even interested in selling. However,when it was under Hong Bee it was good. I was paid almost RM20k compensation for late delivery on the spot,the day I took VP. That was Hong Bee. Notice the difference between EW/EE and Anggun? The next time I buy anything it will be at Anggun.

Hey people. Was away for a week.

Thanks moonmoon for the info but for the moment I'm putting everything on hold. Anywhere also can't afford liao LOL.

I prefer Hong Bee and Mah Sing. Guocoland is lao iah.

Aero Bro,I'll reply to your pm asap. Thanks.

Your right as far as workmanship is concerned. I bought at Sapphire Precinct and the paintwork still looks fine after so many years.

If there is structural defects then it's a big problem. Thank God,mine was not built by Guocoland bcs it was Sapphire Precinct,the very first phase. No such structural defects.

Hey moon2,

They are going to deduct everything from you when they pay the LAD. You think purchasers can win? They'll deduct security services etc and like it or not you have to pay,i.e. let them deduct fro the LAD. So instead of getting RM10k you might just end up with RM7k.

These days it looks like every house has to be renovated,even bungalows unless you build your own house. Purchase price is already so high. Reno costs more than building a house!

I've a feeling prices are gonna go up again once GE13 is over. It doesn't matter who sits in Putrajaya. After that prices of food and consumer goods will all go up as well as the new govt will need money to plug the holes bcs before the elections they threw away so much money and after that must still give free computers to every school-going children and RM1200/600 under the BR1M bird-brained scheme.

Mark my words. EPF,Lembaga Tabung Haji and other schemes will get half the amount of dividends given out this year and the list goes on. I'm preparing for after-GE13 syndrome. Soon we will all be bankrupted.

This post has been edited by TheOwl: Apr 10 2013, 03:25 PM

Xmas,

Why u so menyusahkan diri? No need to bother calling them. They will send you a letter asking you to go get your keys. Whether you like it or not they will have the cheque amount and everything ready. They will definitely deduct whatever you owe them from the LAD amount. I went thru the whole process so I know. What that lady told you is just cock and bull. You don't have a choice. You think they will continue letting you owe them while they pay you the LAD? No way. They will auto deduct whatever you owe them bcs before you sign anything they have already got your cheque ready and they won't make any mistake in the LAD calculation or the amount you owe them either. I've bought a property from Hong Bee. When it comes to money they are that efficient.

Aiyoh,even if you delay they aren't going to pay you the extra 2 weeks or 1 month that you delay LOL. Every buyer of the same property will be paid from such a date to such a date (e.g you sign S&P on 1 Jan 2011 Your house must be handed to you on 31 Dec 2012 but they only hand it to you on 1May 2013 so there's a 4 months delay. There are 121 days in these 4 months so the LAD will be paid for these 121 days only). When they hand over the VP/keys, meaning your house already has CF and is ready for occupation,if you don't go and get the cheque on the allotted day but go to their office 2 weeks later to claim your LAD the amount they pay won't change. Don't even for one moment think you will get more if you delay. Developers aren't so stupid or they can't get so rich. Legally,they need to only pay you until the official day of handing over the VP/keys. Anything you owe them they will simply deduct from the amount though I don't think they have a legal right to do so. I did not raise any objection bcs I was thinking I would still have to pay the outstanding amount so might as well let them deduct which is easier. Deduction is good for them bcs many buyers delay payments which are interest-free and it affects their cash-flow.

moonmoon,

If my memory serves me well they might give you 14 days but they'll pay the LAD until day 1 only so if it's 1-14 of the month the payment is until the 1st of that month. I don't believe they will pay for 14 days which could cost them a lot of money. I haven't checked with HDA and too lazy to refer to my letter which was years ago.

Anyway,I shouldn't be commenting bcs some of you taikos might not like a small fry like me commenting. Itchy hands wanna write LOL.

From personal experience it's true that Guoco is slip-shod compared to Hong Bee.

What do the taikors here think - which is better? Invest in a zero-lot bungalow or a normal bungalow? Thanks for opinions.

I still can't figure out what a zero lot is. Guess have to go take a look.

Thanks for your help,Chris. I still can't picture in my mind so I'll have to go have a look. Is the soft launch this weekend? The location of Emerald is better than M Residence. That's why they can taroh us high high.

37,wow what kind of property is that and where? So high the price?

After reading and re-reading Chris' description I think I've got it (slow mo grey matter LOL) but it's still best to look at the real thing. Yeah we'll get more built-up space and less empty land to take care of but this could mean living pretty close to the neighbours,as good as living in a link house.

Developers are so cleva these days. They come up with all kinds of concepts and make tons of money. In today's world it's ideas that make money,not blood sweat and tears any more. The other way is to become an elected rep. Make quick and easy money.

Lim,we can go to Guoco's sales gallery anytime as sale is on.

This post has been edited by TheOwl: Apr 19 2013, 01:14 AM

Now they simply taroh the price. Who would guess Rawang property can go so high? Half the price also susah to buy...

I won't go for 3-storey house bcs we age and soon going upstairs could become a chore at 65,70. When we're young we never give it a thought. Some people build their "retirement homes" after retirement (better to build after bcs then you would not have your job to attend to and can give it 100% of your attention) or just before bcs after the children have left the nest your huge built-up could become a nightmare LOL. When they are growing up and living at home even 3 of them require quite a lot of space. Small houses,20x70 and smaller are a nightmare when you need more space but the reverse is the truth after they leave. The maintenance could cost you quite a lot every month - cleaning services and maintenance/repair costs of a big house are no joke.

Wow,explains the high price but remember the cost of lift maintenance is not cheap. Sekali rosak you have it.

The reality is very different. If we can go back to the extended family of the olden days it's good bcs the extended family helps bring up the children. Even the community helps keep an eye on the children. The cons are that some kids get sexually abused by members of the extended family (esp today when society has become so sick with the easy availability of porn online and whatnot,not that it never happened in the past).

I'm just being realistic,not pessimistic bcs I know for a fact the sons will not want to stay after marriage bcs their wives want to be in charge. If they continue to stay with the man's family the matriarch will continue to hold "power". Women are different from us. Most like to be in control of everything LOL. They would never allow their daughters-in-law to take charge so there could be tension if the daughters-in-law are highly educated and hold power-jobs. Our moms and grandmas belong to the subservient generation. Even our wives would clash with their mothers-in-law. Then there are those who just concentrate on their power-jobs and push their kids to the poor old couple.

Your sons might encourage you to buy or build big and say they will want to stay with you after marriage. Probe further and you'll find they actually meant come back on certain weekends only LOL. In a way it's also good bcs if they stay the price to pay could be heavy on the old couple.

Also what if all the married children expect the old man to foot all the bills? I don't think I will be a sucker to pay a heavy down-payment and high monthly instalments for the house and then have to tanggung them after they become financially independent. If such a house is bought the children must be co-owners and help the dad pay the down-payment and monthly instalments. Lots of parents don't kira with their kids (the crux of a lot of old people's woes lies in this fact) so some kids take things for granted or take advantage of their old man. They continue to let the father pay for all the food and utilities as long as the old man is still working and many old men continue running their businesses into old age.

I have seen so many such cases bcs today's young people are so selfish. They want to enjoy the good things in life as soon as possible. What about the old folks? Should they die without enjoying any travels or holidays? So after starting work the kids stay free,eat free and after they marry they continue to sponge on the old man and even expect the mother to take care of their children like she's the maid! I know of young people who think their parents should be there for them all the time. Like the old couple can't have a life to enjoy.

Once I had wanted to treat an old couple who had been good to me when I was a very young upstart. Their daughter asked why. I said no reason. I just want to treat them to lunch. She didn't like it bcs she wanted them to babysit her two young kids. Imagine the kind of selfishness. In the end the two kids tagged along so the lunch became a baby-sitting session instead of an enjoyable outing! From that experience and observation my conclusion is to live for yourself after you've done your duty and just help out in emergencies and not to allow yourself to become a sucker to today's selfish/uncaring Y generation. Never unwittingly allow yourselves to become the unpaid maids looking after their precious children. We can bring them up the best we know how,teaching them all the traditional stuff but they are surrounded by the mass-media and peer group that subscribe to narcissism and the promotion of self over everything else. It's not a fallacy that many children give their own kids the best and their parents the cheapest. After a lot of thought I conclude that when we grow old we cannot depend on our kids to feed us. Even our parents had a tough time. Our grandparents were luckier.

This post has been edited by TheOwl: Apr 19 2013, 12:26 PM

Thanks for agreeing. Some people might accuse me of being selfish and self-serving. Hey,we have to look out for ourselves. My philosophy is to do the best we can for the kids. The Y generation is the go-getter,ungrateful kacang lupakan kulit generation. Those who come later - the Z and the "no-letter-in-the-alphabet" generations (these are referred to as the google and the I-pad generations?) could be even worse.

I impress upon these so-called Y gen people to study hard at school bcs I'm not going to be like my grandparents or parents who would foolishly buy a house for each son (my grandfather was weird. He did not bother to send his children to school,even the boys,bcs school was an alien idea before WW2 but bequeathed them much property which they simply sold off to enjoy the proceeds. Stupid!). After the first degree they should get a job and become financially independent. I would no longer finance them for master's or Ph.D studies so they should finance their own studies if they want to continue (master's and Ph.D students can always get jobs as research assistants,tutors or teaching assistants). Like a dutiful modern-day parent I even offered to give a few thousand to each kid to go for a well-earned holiday before he/she starts work. Thank God,only one took up that offer LOL. I would help them get started with seed money e.g. for clothes and rental deposits if they want to stay near their work place and want to learn to be independent which is a good thing but after that they should never come to me for money again.

My lectures have proved to be effective bcs not only have they never asked after starting work they have learnt to become independent and also to give back. I impressed upon them that once our duty is done our life is ours to enjoy. We aren't going to become full-time baby-sitters or maids bcs we're going to spend our retirement travelling the world and enjoying life. They should employ maids and only ask for help in an S.O.S. situation. If the other set of grandparents are around they should also play their role. I do not believe in living for the children like our parents and grandparents did. These days there's so much to see/experience in foreign lands.

Tell you the story of a new neighbour who got married recently. His mom is only in her mid 60's but she belongs to the no-education kampung mentality of the pre-war generation. She leaves her poor old husband behind in the kampung to stay with her son,cooking the meals and doing the housework/cleaning like she's their maid. She would rather stay to cook for her daughter-in-law and son than her old husband who had given her affection for so many years (of course,we don't know the real scenario). How did she know if her daughter-in-law liked the arrangement? She might not like the old lady taking over her kitchen. Would she even appreciate that she gets a hot meal and super-clean house every evening? To me that's sheer foolishness. We as parents have done our job and the kids are adults now. Let them manage their own lives. Let us enjoy ours before it's all over! Almost all parents would sacrifice their comfort and well-being,nay even their lives for their kids but would the reverse be true? There are cases but few and rare where the kids would do the same for the parents.

This post has been edited by TheOwl: Apr 19 2013, 03:26 PM