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 Do you believe in SORCERY?, Any scientific evidence

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flore
post Apr 13 2010, 12:57 PM

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NO.

Not in 21st century!
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post Apr 13 2010, 01:19 PM

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i believe in science,nanotech and physics
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post Apr 16 2010, 11:24 PM

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one simple question : dare you take the risk to mess with these sorcerers when chanced upon one?
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post Apr 17 2010, 01:45 AM

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Why mess with them when you can make friends
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post Apr 18 2010, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 17 2010, 01:45 AM)
Why mess with them when you can make friends
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That's not my question.

So much for all these rejection of sorcery and bullocks. If yall dont believe, why fear?
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post Apr 18 2010, 10:35 PM

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in rpg world i really trust tis kind of stuff.. but in real world i still doubt since there too many story bout it
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post Apr 19 2010, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(C-Note @ Apr 16 2010, 11:24 PM)
one simple question : dare you take the risk to mess with these sorcerers when chanced upon one?
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intentionally mess with them? no, cos generally im a pacifist.

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post Apr 19 2010, 06:31 PM

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What is this gonna do with science? doh.gif
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post Apr 19 2010, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(anubis3000 @ Apr 2 2010, 02:30 PM)
Yes I believe in sorcery, but ones that can be explained scientifically.
Abusive drugs from herbs are used to drug the victim, then she is 'programmed' subconsciously.
This sort of 'brainwashing' is known in scientific circle and used by intelligence agencies to commit espionage and train killers/terrorists.
If you factor in the use of drugs, it is 'sorcery'.
Hypnotism is another 'sorcery' that does have scientific basis.


Added on April 2, 2010, 2:31 pm
Drugs, hypnotism... mostly stuff you can do using scientific methods, used by military and other black ops.
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hypnotism is not related with sorcery right? so the final answer is still no.

personally I don't believe it, I can only believe if somebody really show it in front of me and explain how he/she do it. Unfortunately no human able to do that until now.
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Apr 19 2010, 06:41 PM)
hypnotism is not related with sorcery right? so the final answer is still no.

personally I don't believe it, I can only believe if somebody really show it in front of me and explain how he/she do it. Unfortunately no human able to do that until now.
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Do you think they'd demonstrate to the media? Or show you for free?
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post Apr 20 2010, 05:37 AM

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saya kebal santau. cubalah kalau berani.
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post Apr 20 2010, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(malayneum @ Apr 20 2010, 05:37 AM)
saya kebal santau. cubalah kalau berani.
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whats kebal santau?

buffalo from Santau?
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post Apr 20 2010, 10:04 AM

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If all these bomoh so powerful, why they can't prevent the British from taking over Malaya? Tok Janggut was probably a bomoh and had many bomoh friends, right? And same for the others. During that period, I think there were more santau practitioners in Malaya than today.
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post Apr 20 2010, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 10:04 AM)
If all these bomoh so powerful, why they can't prevent the British from taking over Malaya? Tok Janggut was probably a bomoh and had many bomoh friends, right? And same for the others. During that period, I think there were more santau practitioners in Malaya than today.
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In that day, not many sorcerer or practitioner of supernatural power.This is because the source of this supernatural power is from GOD and the easy way is from devil.Tok Janggut power is gift by Allah that is called Karamah because he did all the Wajib things to do in islam and more additional thing called Sunah and zikir.Do you think that many people like to do that?even in Tok Janggut Days?The answer is No right?Even though you do all the wajib n sunah things that doesnt mean you can get the Karamah. Coz it is gift from the GOD for who he want.

But the other sources is the devil.Santau is the devil art or black magic..They use glass powder,and other bad stuff to send to the person that you mean it to.Why bomoh cant santau the british army?it is becoz santau or other black magic stuff is using devil.They need to communicate to the devil who is the person they want to kill.In that day they dont have the picture of the british army or their name.How the bomoh can kill them when the devil dont know who they want to kill.Like pro killer,if you dont provide them the information of the people they cant kill also.

So you see santau is easy way to kill people becoz you cant see what the devil do rite.This is how its work.The glass powder and the other bad stuff is made by the bomoh.How can it be sent to the people that he bomoh want to kill?The devil cant be seen rite?the item is brought by the devil to the person food but no one can see the devil.The bad stuff is also invisible when the devil brought them.The person eat the glass and died la.So dont give your fullname with your mother name or picture to somebody else.Many things can be done from that
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post Apr 20 2010, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(kojan @ Apr 20 2010, 10:36 AM)
In that day, not many sorcerer or practitioner of supernatural power.This is because the source of this supernatural power is from GOD and the easy way is from devil.Tok Janggut power is gift by Allah that is called Karamah because he did all the Wajib things to do in islam and more additional thing called Sunah and zikir.Do you think that many people like to do that?even in Tok Janggut Days?The answer is No right?Even though you do all the wajib n sunah things that doesnt mean you can get the Karamah. Coz it is gift from the GOD for who he want.

But the other sources is the devil.Santau is the devil art or black magic..They use glass powder,and other bad stuff to send to the person that you mean it to.Why bomoh cant santau the british army?it is becoz santau or other black magic stuff is using devil.They need to communicate to the devil who is the person they want to kill.In that day they dont have the picture of the british army or their name.How the bomoh can kill them when the devil dont know who they want to kill.Like pro killer,if you dont provide them the information of the people they cant kill also.

So you see santau is easy way to kill people becoz you cant see what the devil do rite.This is how its work.The glass powder and the other bad stuff is made by the bomoh.How can it be sent to the people that he bomoh want to kill?The devil cant be seen rite?the item is brought by the devil to the person food but no one can see the devil.The bad stuff is also invisible when the devil brought them.The person eat the glass and died la.So dont give your fullname with your mother name or picture to somebody else.Many things can be done from that
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That does not explain why the British Residents can be so happy and healthy, and nothing happen to them at all. They are all open target. And during the 19th century, there were no TVs and distractions like today, so I would assume their sorcery should be more powerful, and more widely practised. I'm sure all the Sultans who didn't like the British can employ many bomohs.

Like JWW Birch, in the end, it was easier to kill him the old fashioned way...??! wink.gif
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post Apr 20 2010, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 10:43 AM)
That does not explain why the British Residents can be so happy and healthy, and nothing happen to them at all. They are all open target. And during the 19th century, there were no TVs and distractions like today, so I would assume their sorcery should be more powerful, and more widely practised. I'm sure all the Sultans who didn't like the British can employ many bomohs.

Like JWW Birch, in the end, it was easier to kill him the old fashioned way...??!  wink.gif
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like i said before.Its art of the devil.Do you love working with devil.If you want to use devil,you must return the favour.You cant use devil for free.Its an open target is rite but do you know their names?If you know the way to do it,Im sure you dont want to be the bomoh.It against the religion.
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post Apr 20 2010, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(kojan @ Apr 20 2010, 11:35 AM)
like i said before.Its art of the devil.Do you love working with devil.If you want to use devil,you must return the favour.You cant use devil for free.Its an open target is rite but do you know their names?If you know the way to do it,Im sure you dont want to be the bomoh.It against the religion.
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name was given - JWW birch...what else do you need?a magical stick?

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post Apr 20 2010, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(CleverDick @ Apr 20 2010, 11:41 AM)
name was given - JWW birch...what else do you need?a magical stick?
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His mother name?you got ar?Datok Maharajalela is the black magic person?Nope rite.JWW Birch has been known after he was killed not before it.
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QUOTE(kojan @ Apr 20 2010, 12:04 PM)
His mother name?you got ar?Datok Maharajalela is the black magic person?Nope rite.JWW Birch has been known after he was killed not  before it.
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I think the Sultan knew....lah.

Datuk Maharajalela is only the orang suruhan. The Sultan can get his pictar and anything else from JWW Birch, should be no prob.

Try to understand the reasoning. Why not kill him with santau rather than kill him in the open and then kena buang to Seychelles?
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post Apr 20 2010, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 12:08 PM)
I think the Sultan knew....lah.

Datuk Maharajalela is only the orang suruhan. The Sultan can get his pictar and anything else from JWW Birch, should be no prob.

Try to understand the reasoning. Why not kill him with santau rather than kill him in the open and then kena buang to Seychelles?
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Haha..you think sultan is friendly with him la..or suddenly sultan ask what is your mother fullname...haha..like i said that santau is against the religion.If sultan orders the bomoh to do the santau.He also committed a sin.If you know someone is practitioner of black magic.do you want to be with them?its against the religion and malay ethics.YOU are WORSHIPING devil if you use santau.

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