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Do you believe in SORCERY?, Any scientific evidence
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kojan
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Apr 20 2010, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 10:04 AM) If all these bomoh so powerful, why they can't prevent the British from taking over Malaya? Tok Janggut was probably a bomoh and had many bomoh friends, right? And same for the others. During that period, I think there were more santau practitioners in Malaya than today. In that day, not many sorcerer or practitioner of supernatural power.This is because the source of this supernatural power is from GOD and the easy way is from devil.Tok Janggut power is gift by Allah that is called Karamah because he did all the Wajib things to do in islam and more additional thing called Sunah and zikir.Do you think that many people like to do that?even in Tok Janggut Days?The answer is No right?Even though you do all the wajib n sunah things that doesnt mean you can get the Karamah. Coz it is gift from the GOD for who he want. But the other sources is the devil.Santau is the devil art or black magic..They use glass powder,and other bad stuff to send to the person that you mean it to.Why bomoh cant santau the british army?it is becoz santau or other black magic stuff is using devil.They need to communicate to the devil who is the person they want to kill.In that day they dont have the picture of the british army or their name.How the bomoh can kill them when the devil dont know who they want to kill.Like pro killer,if you dont provide them the information of the people they cant kill also. So you see santau is easy way to kill people becoz you cant see what the devil do rite.This is how its work.The glass powder and the other bad stuff is made by the bomoh.How can it be sent to the people that he bomoh want to kill?The devil cant be seen rite?the item is brought by the devil to the person food but no one can see the devil.The bad stuff is also invisible when the devil brought them.The person eat the glass and died la.So dont give your fullname with your mother name or picture to somebody else.Many things can be done from that
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kojan
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Apr 20 2010, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 10:43 AM) That does not explain why the British Residents can be so happy and healthy, and nothing happen to them at all. They are all open target. And during the 19th century, there were no TVs and distractions like today, so I would assume their sorcery should be more powerful, and more widely practised. I'm sure all the Sultans who didn't like the British can employ many bomohs. Like JWW Birch, in the end, it was easier to kill him the old fashioned way...??!  like i said before.Its art of the devil.Do you love working with devil.If you want to use devil,you must return the favour.You cant use devil for free.Its an open target is rite but do you know their names?If you know the way to do it,Im sure you dont want to be the bomoh.It against the religion.
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kojan
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Apr 20 2010, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(CleverDick @ Apr 20 2010, 11:41 AM) name was given - JWW birch...what else do you need?a magical stick? His mother name?you got ar?Datok Maharajalela is the black magic person?Nope rite.JWW Birch has been known after he was killed not before it.
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kojan
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Apr 20 2010, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 12:08 PM) I think the Sultan knew....lah. Datuk Maharajalela is only the orang suruhan. The Sultan can get his pictar and anything else from JWW Birch, should be no prob. Try to understand the reasoning. Why not kill him with santau rather than kill him in the open and then kena buang to Seychelles? Haha..you think sultan is friendly with him la..or suddenly sultan ask what is your mother fullname...haha..like i said that santau is against the religion.If sultan orders the bomoh to do the santau.He also committed a sin.If you know someone is practitioner of black magic.do you want to be with them?its against the religion and malay ethics.YOU are WORSHIPING devil if you use santau.
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kojan
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Apr 20 2010, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 12:26 PM) So we are expected to believe the Sultan and all his macha are God fearing people, back in those days? But if you murdered him in the end (and that is what happened), it is also the same thing - murder. Murder is against God's will, correct? So God will still be angry. I don't believe that back in those days, they didn't practice a lot of black magic. Because today, it is still going on, especially in rural areas. So last time when most of Malaya is covered by jungle and kampung, no electricity...use candle only, it should be a lot more. Of coz la. Coz sultan is leader of the Islamic religion. even though killing is a sin but if you worship devil is sin that Allah will not forgive. After islam came to malaysia. Black magic is not practice anymore coz if you see the people that using black magic it is scary when you see them facing death.In rural is dayak is the practitioner not islamic person
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kojan
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Apr 20 2010, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 01:17 PM) Ok la. As you say. But you should watch Misteri Nusantara, where it shows a lot of black magic is still going on in Malaysia, and Indonesia, btw NOT Sarawak..... For me, it is the strength of your mind and your beliefs. So, sorcery only works IF you believe in it. If black magic is used against someone who absolutely does not believe any of this and has an alternate belief system of his or her own, it will not work even if you chant whole day and whole night. If that person is "weak" and does not have strong belief in something, than maybe..... Same principle in hypnotism. Bottom line is the beliefs that are entrenched in the subconscious mind, are very powerful. So watch what you believe and do not be easily influenced by external elements. Nowadays people are very easily influenced by what they see and hear. haha..damnla if sarawak not included...many place in sarawak n sabah is the sorcerer..ask tok batin if he is not practically black magic.If u dont believe sorcery it still can make you sick.Becoz the devil still can do you.For example,you take devil as invisible man,it can punch rite onto ur face.But nothing can be seen.Its the devil art.You cant tape it,becoz it cannot be seen.I give u reality example.Santau.The symptom of santau is u will cough blood same symptom as TIBI. If you had santau and go to the doctor,the doc will said that your lungs is ok.No infection same goes to other doctor.But why you had blood in ur cough?This is happen to my uncle.He is same as u.Dont believe in sorcery.How can u explain things like that.My cousin.She is pregnant until 9 month.until the day she want to deliver her baby,her stomach change to normal and no baby.explain to me why?hypnotis or mistrust to devil
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kojan
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Apr 21 2010, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(C-Note @ Apr 21 2010, 10:59 PM) These are beyond the understanding of those who don't practice it. It's not as simple as you think. Just because we ain't seen enough of the world doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I agree with you.  not everything can be explain through physics n sciences.Thats why we have religion.XEPS, If you dare,try ask tok batin to black magic you for one hour.haha..
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