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post Apr 10 2010, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(firstknight @ Apr 10 2010, 11:09 PM)
if you can try look around further you might get better bargain for the battery pack thingy... just because its from nokia its just ex....

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I agree with you aspire pls post all the stuff in the front page as i have suggested before.. then ask them to refer there as for us users who basically wanna discuss bout the phone dun wanna talk bout comparison anymore... I am quite tired of this comparison... which keeps coming up every now and then.... zzzzz...

also some of the question asked bout the phone also been address before jsut that they come in and ask without searching.... hey.... long before the phone arrive here, i have been using the phone.... thanks to certain individual here.... i search all over the net to get the things which most ppl are asking here... so aspire pls put all those question asked before in the front page so we all can move on to better discussion like overclocking.. hehe..
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post Apr 10 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(terry007 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:09 PM)
anyone manage to install adobe flash 10.1?
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http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32956
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post Apr 10 2010, 11:14 PM

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i just wan to ask a simple question since all of you here using this phone
can this phone play any other games beside built in games??

the reason i ask this is cause i do not have unlimited internet access with my service provider, so i cant go online all the time
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i travel most of the time with train so having games keep me occupied

so with iphone i can use wifi n get games then play them while travelling

and another question since you have used both iphone and this phone
hows the video quality, if n900 doesnt have much games so i can still put videos into comparison.

so do you wan to help me or wan to let iphone win?
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QUOTE(jambu21 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:14 PM)
i just wan to ask a simple question since all of you here using this phone
can this phone play any other games beside built in games??

the reason i ask this is cause i do not have unlimited internet access with my service provider, so i cant go online all the time
and
i travel most of the time with train so having games keep me occupied

so with iphone i can use wifi n get games then play them while travelling

and another question since you have used both iphone and this phone
hows the video quality, if n900 doesnt have much games so i can still put videos into comparison.

so do you wan to help me or wan to let iphone win?
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Refer here for more info
http://forum.lowyat.net/iPhone

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Apr 10 2010, 11:16 PM
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post Apr 10 2010, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(firstknight @ Apr 10 2010, 11:09 PM)
if you can try look around further you might get better bargain for the battery pack thingy... just because its from nokia its just ex....

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I agree with you aspire pls post all the stuff in the front page as i have suggested before.. then ask them to refer there as for us users who basically wanna discuss bout the phone dun wanna talk bout comparison anymore... I am quite tired of this comparison... which keeps coming up every now and then.... zzzzz...

also some of the question asked bout the phone also been address before jsut that they come in and ask without searching.... hey.... long before the phone arrive here, i have been using the phone.... thanks to certain individual here.... i search all over the net to get the things which most ppl are asking here... so aspire pls put all those question asked before in the front page so we all can move on to better discussion like overclocking.. hehe..
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hey, any suggestion where to get dc-11 cheap? bside lowyat at 180. im broke ever since i bought n900 cry.gif
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post Apr 10 2010, 11:19 PM

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wow thanks for such great help
how does going to iphone forum help me compare video quality

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QUOTE(k-bkeat @ Apr 10 2010, 11:18 PM)
hey, any suggestion where to get dc-11 cheap? bside lowyat at 180. im broke ever since i bought n900  cry.gif
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u can always go for alternative then DC-11 if ure budget is slower

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1318520&hl=

Or some ppl are selling below RM100 also have
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 10 2010, 10:32 PM)
yea Iphone is good because of the software animation. Eventually people will catch up like now.

Whats amazing about linux and maemo now u can dual boot like meego , maemo and even android in near future that something iphone cant do YET
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I have few questions about N900:
1. Is it true that it can boot with Android in the future?
2. Is OS the one that decides the responsiveness of the touchscreen?
3. Does it have nHD screen just like SE Satio, Vivaz?
4. Currently it can only be used to listen to radio using third party software? Does it need internet connection to open the radio? Or just like the normal way after plugging in the headset then can listen to the radio already?
Sorry for asking so much. I am really interested in buying this phone. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jambu21 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:19 PM)
wow thanks for such great help
how does going to iphone forum help me compare video quality
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Its like why are u asking us to compare a N900 and Iphone? Why dont u go to iphone thread instead and ask them to compare with N900 see what they say
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:10 PM)
Affirmative sir compiling it as we speak
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hehe... hope to help but only you can do it thats why me asking you to do... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(jambu21 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:14 PM)
i just wan to ask a simple question since all of you here using this phone
can this phone play any other games beside built in games??

the reason i ask this is cause i do not have unlimited internet access with my service provider, so i cant go online all the time
and
i travel most of the time with train so having games keep me occupied

so with iphone i can use wifi n get games then play them while travelling

and another question since you have used both iphone and this phone
hows the video quality, if n900 doesnt have much games so i can still put videos into comparison.

so do you wan to help me or wan to let iphone win?
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I replied to your post, did you read it?

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:22 PM)
Its like why are u asking us to compare a N900 and Iphone? Why dont u go to iphone thread instead and ask them to compare with N900 see what they say
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Please be helpful, he's just asking about games and entertainment value. You can't deny iphone does have a lot of games and apps, but he's pushing apple's agenda, he wants to know what the n900 can offer and make a more educated choice.

Don't let your hatred for apple fanboism blind you.

This post has been edited by silverhawk: Apr 10 2010, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 10 2010, 10:43 PM)
iphone and apple products have never been about doing more things, it has always been about doing things right, even if it means doing less things. Smartphones didn't really catch on till apple made the iphone, they brought something to the market which people could understand and use. So the iphone is good because of the user experience, which is something no other phone can come close to competing.

If the n900 had the same user experience perfectionist nature as apple did with their iphone, the n900 would be one heck of a beast. The n900 is incredibly unpolished right now but its potential is incredible. Would love the n900 to be more refined, then it would kick the pants off the iphone.

Btw, people often mistake javascript and java. Your bank sites use javascript (they shouldn't really), not java. n900 doesn't support java applets as far as I know. You can try www.goproblems.com. That uses java applets.


Added on April 10, 2010, 10:45 pm
well to answer your question, it can. It can even play gameboy and gameboy advance games. snes games, n64 games etc. the n900 runs on a linux platform, so basically anything that can run on linux, would be able run on the phone.

I have the gameboy advance emulator on my n900, and I also have scrumm VM to play some of the old adventure games which I miss.
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Personally, iPhone makes things better for the novice or normal users, they make it simple and "safe" for these users. But then, these are not the "smartphone" that techies or IT people are looking for; These are more like "smart"phones for dummies. That's why there're article which says iPhone is not a smartphone.
BUT, if they allow OPTIONS for users to "activate" or "open" the app, then it will be a different story.
What they do is more like, TOTAL control over their customers, and not giving any chance for the users to take any advantage. This is good for them because they can ensure that their product is secure and stable, less complains.
What Apple did is like giving only "GUEST" account in Windows to the users. So as an administrator, you can be sure and worry less about the user and also no need the user did some mistakes, face problems and put the blame you.

A smartphone is like a Phone with Mini Computer. When we buy a computer with an OS, we get Administrators rights and we can do whatever we want with the PC.
But none of the smartphone have reach that level except N900.

We paid so much for it, and what do we get? Restrictions? Control? Limitation? Wow.... Who's happy to pay to be controlled?

But then, it depends on the users/buyers. iPhone will suit most normal phone users and fit their requirements, because they polished then important BASIC features very well. They don't really need "smart" users.
So, these user wouldn't mind if they only get "GUEST" account, because what they want is just a phone that is appealing and works well. They won't need the Task Managers, and all those "advance" options.

If we're talking about "true" smartphones, then usually it's the more advanced users that will be looking for it, and the REASON why they choose smartphones. That's why these users keep looking for more and more powerful device which lets them do more stuffs, have more flexibility, less limitation, etc. iPhone will not fit this bill unless it is JB.

Btw, Jobs said a FLAT no to Java and Flash to iPhone OS4. There're reasons why iPhone have so many growing apps/games; It's because of their control and market, developers are getting most benefit from there.

Honestly, I'm not against iPhone, I would get one but definitely will JB it. I just cannot accept the price which is over ridiculous for it's specs. Based on current phone market, it shouldn't even cost more than RM1.5K. The 3GS only come with single speaker, delivering MONO sound quality.
iPhone actually is a GOOD thing to happen, when it first launch, it make a BIG entrance and change to the smartphone world. It's like a phone from future, and make all other smartphones look bad and outdated. But it's been sometime and I only see minor updates or facelift over the iPhone 2G->3G->3GS. Imagine the first buyer, pity them and it ain't cheap.
iPhone change the smartphones market, bring tough competition, and WAKE UP others and make them pay more attention, which results to today's smartphone and also competitive pricing. If not, I think smartphones would easily cost RM3K or more.




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sorry bro.. i dont hate it.. but too many ppl asking the same question in the same thread and keep explaining the same thing all over again seem tiring... thats why.. if we sound rude sorry sorry first....
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cause right now this phone is tilting more to the buying side than iphone,
thats y i come and ask here, that and this phone much more cheaper than iphone, and thats a umbs up for me

but if ur not willing to help then just say so then i wouldnt bother to reply anymore in this thread


sorry silverhawk where did you reply cant seem to find your post

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:21 PM)
u can always go for alternative then DC-11 if ure budget is slower

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1318520&hl=

Or some ppl are selling below RM100 also  have
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thx. if there is someone selling dc-11 less than 100. I WILL BUY IT STRAIGHT AWAY drool.gif
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:27 PM)
Personally, iPhone makes things better for the novice or normal users, they make it simple and "safe" for these users. But then, these are not the "smartphone" that techies or IT people are looking for; These are more like "smart"phones for dummies. That's why there're article which says iPhone is not a smartphone.
BUT, if they allow OPTIONS for users to "activate" or "open" the app, then it will be a different story.
What they do is more like, TOTAL control over their customers, and not giving any chance for the users to take any advantage. This is good for them because they can ensure that their product is secure and stable, less complains.
What Apple did is like giving only "GUEST" account in Windows to the users. So as an administrator, you can be sure and worry less about the user and also no need the user did some mistakes, face problems and put the blame you.

A smartphone is like a Phone with Mini Computer. When we buy a computer with an OS, we get Administrators rights and we can do whatever we want with the PC.
But none of the smartphone have reach that level except N900.

We paid so much for it, and what do we get? Restrictions? Control? Limitation? Wow.... Who's happy to pay to be controlled?

But then, it depends on the users/buyers. iPhone will suit most normal phone users and fit their requirements, because they polished then important BASIC features very well. They don't really need "smart" users.
So, these user wouldn't mind if they only get "GUEST" account, because what they want is just a phone that is appealing and works well. They won't need the Task Managers, and all those "advance" options.

If we're talking about "true" smartphones, then usually it's the more advanced users that will be looking for it, and the REASON why they choose smartphones. That's why these users keep looking for more and more powerful device which lets them do more stuffs, have more flexibility, less limitation, etc. iPhone will not fit this bill unless it is JB.

Btw, Jobs said a FLAT no to Java and Flash to iPhone OS4. There're reasons why iPhone have so many growing apps/games; It's because of their control and market, developers are getting most benefit from there.

Honestly, I'm not against iPhone, I would get one but definitely will JB it. I just cannot accept the price which is over ridiculous for it's specs. Based on current phone market, it shouldn't even cost more than RM1.5K. The 3GS only come with single speaker, delivering MONO sound quality.
iPhone actually is a GOOD thing to happen, when it first launch, it make a BIG entrance and change to the smartphone world. It's like a phone from future, and make all other smartphones look bad and outdated. But it's been sometime and I only see minor updates or facelift over the iPhone 2G->3G->3GS. Imagine the first buyer, pity them and it ain't cheap.
iPhone change the smartphones market, bring tough competition, and WAKE UP others and make them pay more attention, which results to today's smartphone and also competitive pricing. If not, I think smartphones would easily cost RM3K or more.
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I agree with you on the iPhone thingy - phone simple enough for everyone to use... everything is set.. just press 1 button and everything is back to normal.. like pressing "any" key..

for the technology.. i think it was there just that iPhone was fast enought to say that it was theirs.. hehe.. and see what it could do?? pinching?? 1 button??? any many apps flooded for it... this is like apple ppl develop solely for iPhone it the shortes possible time.. hehee...

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QUOTE(jambu21 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:29 PM)
cause right now this phone is tilting more to the buying side than iphone,
thats y i come and ask here, that and this phone much more cheaper than iphone, and thats a umbs up for me

but if ur not willing to help then just say so then i wouldnt bother to reply anymore in this thread
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It's simple really, just depend what you really looking for.

Actually aspire have given a very good comparison for you between the N900 and iPhone, and it clearly shows the 2 are very different. From there you can choose which suit you more.

Let me re-paste again for you, only the comparison part. See which fit your requirement more.

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 10 2010, 08:02 PM)
If u dont like about exploring, dont prefer flexibilty, prefer limitation, prefer only to look good , dont have patience, have extra cash to spend, pay for outdated technology, and want everyone around u look like your phone
A    Iphone is the right choice.

If u prefer flexibility, prefer no limitation , prefer to feel good, have patience , love exploring new stuff , Testing the limitation to the furtherst, love better performance , prefer to be unique, love to share
B    Nokia N900 Is for you
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QUOTE(jambu21 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:29 PM)
cause right now this phone is tilting more to the buying side than iphone,
thats y i come and ask here, that and this phone much more cheaper than iphone, and thats a umbs up for me

but if ur not willing to help then just say so then i wouldnt bother to reply anymore in this thread
sorry silverhawk where did you reply cant seem to find your post
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well i think i would advice you to google around.. i believe the resources there would be vast enough to let you make your choice...
I have placed the youtube comparison so for you to be informed... also the discussion of the iPhone comparison is alot advice by aspire and if you read through the the post here the answers and questions are nearly the same....


have fun.... icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on April 10, 2010, 11:38 pmaspire

how come my name is not in the members list?? not interested in my membership ka?? tongue.gif

also oc to 900 now with ULV... hehe..

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QUOTE(firstknight @ Apr 10 2010, 11:34 PM)
well i think i would advice you to google around.. i believe the resources there would be vast enough to let you make your choice...
I have placed the youtube comparison so for you to be informed... also the discussion of the iPhone comparison is alot advice by aspire and if you read through the the post here the answers and questions are nearly the same....
have fun.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Actually, to put it simple...

If I would pay close to RM3k for a iPhone 3GS 32GB...
With 3K, I might as well:
1. Buy Nokia N900 (Maemo) or Motorola Milestone (Android), which boths are great smartphones. (AP around RM1800)
2. Buy one iPod Touch 3G - 32GB - JB it, and enjoy the apps/games. (around RM1.1K)

Heck, if I really want true mobile gaming experience, the RM1K I can buy myself a PSP and still have extra to spare. But I already have PSP.
So, I would get the iPod Touch 3G to get those cool apps and games. Without phone functionality, I don't have to worry about the battery power. Plus, since I have N900, I can enjoy true multi-tasking and it's browsing experience.

Meh.... this is good idea. I can enjoy both.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Apr 10 2010, 11:42 PM)
Actually, to put it simple...

If I would pay close to RM3k for a iPhone 3GS 32GB...
With 3K, I might as well:
1. Buy Nokia N900 (Maemo) or Motorola Milestone (Android), which boths are great smartphones. (AP around RM1800)
2. Buy one iPod Touch 3G - 16GB - JB it, and enjoy the apps/games. (around RM1.1K)

Heck, if I really want true mobile gaming experience, the RM1K I can buy myself a PSP and still have extra to spare. But I already have PSP.
So, I would get the iPod Touch 3G to get those cool apps and games. Without phone functionality, I don't have to worry about the battery power. Plus, since I have N900, I can enjoy true multi-tasking and it's browsing experience.
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thats what i was going for, what i was thinking
i get this and an ipod touch as its just the same as the iphone without the phone function


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