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Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadbrand Thread V4, Latest:NO cap 4 unifi packages 4 now ^_^

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rizvanrp
post Apr 1 2010, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Apr 1 2010, 10:16 AM)
after lurking this thread for few days, i noteced something... wonder you guise had noticed it, it goes something like:

'lololololololol mai daonlowd iz fast!!!'

or

'oh noes!1! i haz 1337 torrentz speed!!!one!!1!'

i cared those download/ torrents as much as you would cared about your uncle's friend's niece's son's daughter's teacher's husband's grandmpther's neighbor's aunt's nephew's father's secret lover's cat had delivered a dozen of kitties...

there are still questions not being answered:

1. limit cap increased?
2. revising it's price?
3. non IPTV/ phone connecion?
4. solid ToC instead of flip-flop ToC?
5. latency on oversea game servers?

enjoy the candy while it lasts, stop yelling and whining when cap hits and you get sh!t from it.
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I've also noticed something myself. People here complaining about Unifi are as 'flip flop' as TM's T&C. One minute they complain about high latency (for low bandwidth applications like online gaming), next they complain about speed, then they complain about download cap, T&C, company policy, fiber infrastructure and even the name of the damn service. What the heck do you guys want exactly? All of those things are related but they're brought up as separate issues.

I have stuck to my point from the very beginning -- that I hate the daily download cap and that the monthly cap should be increased. When TM decides to actually listen for once and remove the cap so record some damn user statistics instead of guessing extremely low numbers, you people claim they're setting up a trap to lure customers in and they'll somehow make the cap even lower than advertised.

The fact is nobody knows what TM will do next but what we can be sure of is the current performance Unifi users are getting at the moment. However, when these users post their speedtests and latency tests, you toss them aside and claim you don't give a shit and it's all about policy.. then ask where are the latency graphs. Grow up lah. Nothing is certain at this point. Datacenter lines all have limitations, caps and whatnot and they're fully packed with servers. If TM were to provide capped access, they would still get a load of customers while maintaining network speed. I'd rather have 20mbps capped access performing at the current level than 100mbps unmetered functioning at 512kbps.

The best part about half (or more) of the people complaining about Unifi here is that they can't even sign up for it yet because they're not covered.. and when users who have ALREADY signed up for it and are using it post their experiences, they get told off for being morons. It's as though you people think that if Unifi eventually gets capped, we won't be able to access the internet by any other means at all.

So whatever, I'll be enjoying my 20mbps access, 190ms latency in WoW and 3ms latency in local FPS servers while you troll about a company and a service you can't even apply for. rclxms.gif
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post Apr 1 2010, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(xpresside @ Apr 1 2010, 11:00 AM)
with tunneling or no?
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With 4mbps Streamyx and tunneling, you can already hit 194ms on servers like Tichondrius. FTTH reduces the base latency which is added by ATM encapsulation and copper infrastructure (about 10ms+). I wouldn't be surprised if you can get 18x ms in game now.
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Apr 1 2010, 11:06 AM)
that's the problem for other states, especiallt east malaysia. we're being neglected. sleep.gif
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I have nothing against people who provide a valid reason to complain about the service as long as they stick to it. Coverage, bandwidth caps, service fees and whatnot.

QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 1 2010, 11:13 AM)
For those of you are have signed up for unifi, if you know how to use FTP, help me get some transfer statistics.

server: ftp.hawk85.com
user: unifi
pass: speedtest

I've set the account limit to 1GB, the server has a lot of unutilised bandwidth. So upload some files, and others can download, so we can get a bit of a benchmark.
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Put up a 100mb test file or something, ping is 240-260ms btw.

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post Apr 1 2010, 11:19 AM

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Upload went from 300KB/s to 930KB/s, stable for a bit, went back down to 300ish and went up to 900.. repeat. Single thread btw

Update :
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Single thread 100mb test file upload. Fluctuates between 500KB/s - 1MB/s. Upload speed graph is in green over a 2.4MB/s scale.

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Single thread 100mb test file download. Fluctuates but averages at 450KB/s (bout 4mbps). Download speed graph is in blue over a 1.09MB/s scale.

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Randomly decided to ping a local server, pretty amazing :

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1ms locally shocking.gif

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 1 2010, 11:34 AM)
Not too shabby smile.gif

Server is located in the US and its a shared hosting account, so I figured it would be a good way to test for the lowest common denominators. Quite impressed with the speed actually. Though I wonder why the speed goes up and down like that, its rather consistent in its behaviour.
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Can't really say if you're using a shared account. Someone else might be using rapidleech or the server line might be under load.

Whatever the case, once the HSBB user base grows and we set up a local p2p system.. it'll be guaranteed 20mbps/10mbps/5mbps both ways D:

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 1 2010, 11:39 AM)
do your other uploads/downloads from other sites/servers exhibit this behavior?
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For my local servers (Jaring and TM), 1 thread upload/download maxes the line out at 20mbps flat out. No fluctuations.

International servers, it varies from case to case and depending what protocol I'm using. BT is really stable though.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 1 2010, 11:44 AM)
It should perform well locally, so I'm not too troubled about that.

What's the rough average you're getting from the international sites?
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Uhm.. using firefox's standard download window, on international sites like the US it starts off at 200KB/s then maxes out around 900KB/s+. I can't really say because I rarely download without using DownThemAll which gives me 1.9-2.3MB/s everywhere @ 10 concurrent connections lol
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QUOTE(BlueWind @ Apr 1 2010, 11:47 AM)
Shouldn't be fiber optic has lower latency? From what I see now it is still more or less the same with ADSL. What could be the cause?
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It does have lower latency. Take my 4mbps Streamyx.. ping to TM servers is 15-20ms, Unifi is only 1-2ms tops. It cuts off over 10ms. They probably also use different routes but the technology itself definitely gives it an edge over ADSL.


Added on April 1, 2010, 11:52 amuser posted image

This is Youtube HD video speeds. Very stable and always above 1.5MB/s for any video.. pretty damn amazing nod.gif Video loads 5x the play speed

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QUOTE(BlueWind @ Apr 1 2010, 11:52 AM)
To local no doubt about it, but what about to international? Due to congestion? Or is it TM is not competent enough for managing the network well?
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I would not know, really. To say, tunnel1.wowtunnels.com (US wow tunnel server), its about 193ms.
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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Apr 1 2010, 12:08 PM)
i did mentioned about wanting a stable connection.
i did mentioned about wanting a higher limit cap.
i did mentioned about wanting a competition for TM.
oh, i did brag about heavy downloaders with their heavy downloads

but did i tossed those posted speedtests and latency tests aside? i was skeptical about the result as hsbb speed and latency similar to normal screamyx.
did i tossed the point that you mentioned the site traffic being 'heavy' and the results are not consistent aside? i observed and kept quiet .
did i stop people from subscribing? i urge them to apply so i can laugh at them when limit cap and bandwidth throttling is in.

plz, take your time and read past posts, i mentioned what i had mentioned
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I have been reading all your posts since the start of this thread and most of them are generally 'haha line wont be stable, go ahead and sign up suckers' or 'haha contract will change and you'll be stuck with it, go ahead and sign up suckers'. I posted speedtests here to people so they know what they're signing up for, you just brushed them aside with skepticism (quote "i was skeptical about the result as hsbb speed and latency similar to normal screamyx."). That is why I said you tossed them aside. That's probably why you mentioned "5. latency on oversea game servers?". They've already been posted.. but you'll probably want us to post latency tests to every game in the world before you're remotely satisfied.

What's the point of even mentioning our tests if the only way you're going to be satisfied is if :

1) TM basically hands you the reigns to set an unmetered cap policy and guaranteed <100ms latency to every server in the world
2) Gives you 20mbps at RM50 a month
3) You sign up and test it for yourself

Reading your posts quietly since the start of the thread has just left a bitter taste in my mouth to be honest. I don't really want to reply to you anymore and I think people over here will know better if they just look at your post history and read what you've written.

You complain its too expensive, too slow, too uncertain and yet when I post results here so people know what they're getting for paying over RM200+ a month.. you say you're just going to laugh at people who sign up.

So forgive me for saying this but it really sounds like you're just posting here to troll and boost your own ego. You're not helping anyone at all.

QUOTE(xpresside @ Apr 1 2010, 12:12 PM)
Can u max out 20 mb download and upload at the same time or is it like adsl?
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Yes you can but it won't be 20mbps up/down, maybe around 18mbps both ways because you have to take in account protocol overhead

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QUOTE(Neptern @ Apr 1 2010, 12:35 PM)
Anyone can try out newsgroups?I hardly see anyone using that...
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I would but I don't have a usenet subscription. If I'm not mistaken there was someone who applied for 10mbps and he posted twitter pics of him using a newsgroup client and downloading.

http://twitpic.com/1bpp3v
http://twitpic.com/1bppp6
http://twitpic.com/1bpqe4

I could be wrong but it looks like a standard usenet client with 10 threads running
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QUOTE(powerfulcool @ Apr 1 2010, 02:16 PM)
i wonder how is the dect phone connected to the router? wirelessly or through LAN?
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Dect phone uses RJ11 connector and cable from the fiberhome modem.

QUOTE(ProComplex @ Apr 1 2010, 02:13 PM)
According to the installer, the tv set top box can be located near the tv separate from the modem and router provided the router can be connected via lan to the tv set top box as the connection from the set top box to the router is via rj45 connection. Not sure about wifi connection but it should also work I guess esp if you use N speed perhaps thats why an N speed router is supplied.
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The wifi router they give has custom TM firmware.. last port is painted red in colour and its meant for IPTV. If you have a direct cat5 cable connection to the set top box from another room you can separate the two. What you cannot do however is hook up a switch/hub to that red IPTV LAN port as anything thats connected to that will be placed on some 10.3.0.0/255.255.192.0 subnet with no internet access meant for IPTV.
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QUOTE(eimzic @ Apr 2 2010, 10:30 AM)
yes, pay extra for VPN
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Don't have to use a VPN anyway nothing is throttled at the moment
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QUOTE(xpresside @ Apr 2 2010, 11:25 AM)
how to record unifi's iptv broadcasts onto pc?
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You'll need a video capture card. I'm not sure if you can digitally capture it via a direct hookup. When you hook up a device to the IPTV VLAN port, you're given an IP on the 10.3.0.0/255.255.192.0 range and can basically ping other STBs on the network. But to access their content you need a username/password combination which lets you download their custom firmware and digital smartcard. If I'm not mistaken they also filter by MAC address so even if you have a software which can utilize their IPTV protocol and you have a valid username/password, you will get an 'invalid STB' error upon connection.. then there's MAC address spoofing. It's really not worth the trouble, just record via HDMI output lol
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Apr 2 2010, 12:48 PM)
It would be better if we can utilise this IPTV VLAN to have a local sharing ring...

8mbps up/down without interrupting internet connectivity... not a bad idea overall

best of all.. its really UNLIMITED
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We can but they can block it easily :/
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Any Unifi users who are not using their IPTV willing to help me test some stuff out? Send me a PM please
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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Apr 2 2010, 03:16 PM)
Any Unifi users who are not using their IPTV willing to help me test some stuff out? Send me a PM please
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Bumping that. Done some testing and we should be able to use the IPTV VLAN for an additional unmetered 8mbps locally (regardless if you're on the 5mbps package). If any Unifi users are interested, please contact me biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(azwan92 @ Apr 2 2010, 06:09 PM)
orly? it means that if i subscribe to 10mbps and i can get another 8mbps using iptv's bandwidth? rclxms.gif
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8mbps within the IPTV network. If I were to say, start an OpenVPN daemon on my desktop and wire it to both the Internet and IPTV network.. you would be able to connect to my PC via the IPTV network and utilize 8mbps of my internet line via the IPTV VPN link. With round robin gateway load balancing setup you could get 10+8mbps but it would be a hassle to set up every time.

This is just technically what should be possible. Right now, I've done some tests and I can ping and establish connections to every set top box thats connected on the IPTV network. However, I still need to test the bandwidth of the link as everyone is just assuming its 8mbps.

A better use for this would be for us to set up a private network over or something for guaranteed unmetered 8mbps smile.gif
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QUOTE(Gh-x @ Apr 2 2010, 06:22 PM)
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i kind a dont get it, but does it mean we can run our own server on this private network, for example HD movies server?
sorry for asking kind a noob question.
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Yeap smile.gif

I've already tested the connectivity and it works but I just need to test the bandwidth, that's about it. I can't be sure of anything till another Unifi user helps me out though.
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QUOTE(cshong @ Apr 3 2010, 03:44 PM)
Just because of a simple programming assignment, I have to download a C++ library which the installation file size is over 4GB. Very often, the downloaded files are corrupted and I have to re-download everything again. So, just a few days, I already used more than 16 gb of bandwidth just for a setup file, and this 16gb does not include other usage by my family members. And this is just a start, I still have to download many other C++ library files which is required for my assignment.

Shit! I can't really imagine what will be happened if I subscribe to this capped Unifail.
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You say it as though all professional C++ programmers have more than 500GB of DLL's and header files in their PCs which they have to keep re-downloading for some reason hmm.gif Only thing I can think of which is that big and needed for basic C++ assignments would be SDKs, namely the Windows SDK which is a 1 time download. Besides, UniFi doesn't corrupt downloads as much as ADSL or even at all due to the difference in technology.

Next, people are going to be saying they have to keep downloading Linux ISOs for their Linux ISO collection (because we all know that's what everyone torrents rolleyes.gif)

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