QUOTE(Sichiri @ Mar 25 2010, 04:09 PM)
Unifi Boycott Unifi - capped connection
Unifi Boycott Unifi - capped connection
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Mar 25 2010, 04:30 PM
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Mar 25 2010, 04:32 PM
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not to mention price is expensive, and we cant really benefit from unifi cos international bandwidth is still a slow snail.
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Mar 25 2010, 04:36 PM
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How did all of you hit 60GB cap in 1 month? I can't even fully utillize an 80GB hard disk I bought 7 years ago.
I use Internet for online learning, checking emails, playing online games, perform driver updates and patches, the occasional 1-2 mp3 download a month and 2 episodes of anime + 1 or 2 movies a week through PPS. I can't imagine what most people do to hit the 60GB cap in a month. The only concern I have is the price and those crappy IPTV, Streamyx Zone ID and email account. I don't need those and I don't want those. This post has been edited by neoengsheng: Mar 25 2010, 04:38 PM |
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Mar 25 2010, 04:38 PM
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Why not they come out with 1MB RM 50 unlimited ?
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Mar 25 2010, 04:38 PM
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they leave computer on all night all day downloading files from p2p/filesharing
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Mar 25 2010, 04:39 PM
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Mar 25 2010, 04:40 PM
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that's bad news...i think I'm better stick with 4 Megabit Streamyx....because i'm doing 25 to 30 GB a day....
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Mar 25 2010, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(rajulkabir @ Mar 25 2010, 04:07 PM) FIrst of all, nobody made them sign up for a 1GB package. They wanted to be penny-wise and pound-foolish, and they earned the rewards. Secondly, according to my calculations, 60GB is almost sixty times higher than 1GB. Even if they did that, I would still call it an irrelevant comparison.Not necessarily a bad thing. I use VoIP and video conferencing all the time, I transfer lots of data, I watch some TV shows online, and I don't come anywhere near 60GB of usage per month. Before making any claims about how crazy or wonderful the cap is, we would need to see TM's actual historical usage data. They are foolish for not providing it. If they can show a chart that says "Of our one million customers, only ten thousand used more than 60GB in one month," then they have solved their PR problem, because it would be easy to paint that 1% as the pirates and porn fiends. Otherwise, we can only guess. However, based on my activities, and those of people I know, I would think that the caps are reasonable for the vast majority of users. Still, I don't like the sound of it. It feels like I am being restricted even if in practice it means nothing to me. But that's not a rational judgment. Can you take usage data of 56k users to extrapolate the needs when you go on to ADSL? HELL NO Sure, MOST people would not use up to 60GB a month, but MOST people also won't be needed the speeds provided by HSBB, their needs are more than catered to using 512kbps streamyx or even if they need to, 1mbps package. Even the 1mbps package is overkill for some. The whole point of getting 5mbps is so you can really enjoy the stuff that requires higher bandwidth. Its like giving you a ferrari, with a speed limiter of 60kph. Defeats the whole bloody purpose. Most of us here are fine with caps, and I would actually advocate caps because it keeps the whole system under control and a better experience for everyone. However the caps should be justified, a 60GB cap on a 5mbps line doesn't make any sense. I calculated in the other thread, that if you average out the usage of HSBB to 8 hours a day with a 60GB/month (2GB/day) cap. To use up your cap, you would need to average your usage to about 900kbps for that 8 hours. So what's the point of getting HSBB? With that kind of usage rates, you might as well stick with streamyx. |
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Mar 25 2010, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 25 2010, 04:26 PM) ![]() Read this article and open up your eyes http://ariffshah.com/unifi-high-speed-broa...-russians-hsbb/ The issue at hand is the price for speed with a small cap is not justified, seeing as how other countries are able to offer faster for cheaper and at unlimited no less. So why can't tmnut ? If not enough international bandwidth, they need to upgrade, not make stupid sponsorship deals with alex ferguson's manchester united TM is already pulling another cable to the US, you think a cable this long can be done in one day? even if you had the money it'd still take years to finish. it's just unfortunate they had to roll out HSBB when they don't have enough international bandwith to support it, which is why for now it needs to be capped. |
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Mar 25 2010, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(neoengsheng @ Mar 25 2010, 04:36 PM) How did all of you hit 60GB cap in 1 month? I can't even fully utillize an 80GB hard disk I bought 7 years ago. You download shows, but what quality do you download? Do you watch crappy rmvb encodes? do you watch normal hdtv episodes? or do you watch 720p videos? I use Internet for online learning, checking emails, playing online games, perform driver updates and patches, the occasional 1-2 mp3 download a month and 2 episodes of anime + 1 or 2 movies a week through PPS. I can't imagine what most people do to hit the 60GB cap in a month. The only concern I have is the price and those crappy IPTV, Streamyx Zone ID and email account. I don't need those and I don't want those. HSBB is meant to allow you access HD content like 720p videos and even stream it without problems, but if you have a 60GB cap, that just doesn't make any sort of sense. |
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Mar 25 2010, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(neoengsheng @ Mar 25 2010, 04:36 PM) How did all of you hit 60GB cap in 1 month? I can't even fully utillize an 80GB hard disk I bought 7 years ago. Unlike you my 2 days download is about 8-10GB. Thank you for giving us more bandwidth with your low utilization I use Internet for online learning, checking emails, playing online games, perform driver updates and patches, the occasional 1-2 mp3 download a month and 2 episodes of anime + 1 or 2 movies a week through PPS. I can't imagine what most people do to hit the 60GB cap in a month. The only concern I have is the price and those crappy IPTV, Streamyx Zone ID and email account. I don't need those and I don't want those. |
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Mar 25 2010, 04:48 PM
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Form a group in anti-hsbb facebook and invite PM..to express our dissatisfactions..
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Mar 25 2010, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(neoengsheng @ Mar 25 2010, 04:36 PM) How did all of you hit 60GB cap in 1 month? I can't even fully utillize an 80GB hard disk I bought 7 years ago. you miss one thing to do, download movie/tv series to watch......1 tv series average around 360mb, so if a series have 20 episode that will be around 7.2GB and that's just 1 tv series, there are tons and tons of tv series out there......I use Internet for online learning, checking emails, playing online games, perform driver updates and patches, the occasional 1-2 mp3 download a month and 2 episodes of anime + 1 or 2 movies a week through PPS. I can't imagine what most people do to hit the 60GB cap in a month. The only concern I have is the price and those crappy IPTV, Streamyx Zone ID and email account. I don't need those and I don't want those. Basically now TM is the king as they have 5Mbps as their lowest fibre optic lines speed, till any other wireless who can achieve these speed, i do not think they will lower their charges.........TM have a KIASU mindset...that's the problem....., and all those crooks with 4G spectrum awarded to them are just sitting there and do nothing..... |
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Mar 25 2010, 04:51 PM
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Mar 25 2010, 04:55 PM
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Tm has always been king and the government wants it to stay that way as it is in their best interest, and for you waiting for foreign isp to save us it will not happen in the near future even if it does the government will be really bias towards them especially if its singtel lol
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Mar 25 2010, 04:55 PM
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And not forgeting their stupid U advertisement, what a waste of money, nothing great anywhere.....
Added on March 25, 2010, 4:57 pm QUOTE(satoshi.mifune @ Mar 25 2010, 04:55 PM) Tm has always been king and the government wants it to stay that way as it is in their best interest, and for you waiting for foreign isp to save us it will not happen in the near future even if it does the government will be really bias towards them especially if its singtel lol which foreign isp wanna invest in malaysia when they cannot even own their on company, they will be scare they will be kick out once they have setup the infrastructure with their money and in the end own by a malaysian......Malaysia bolehThis post has been edited by PrinceCaspien: Mar 25 2010, 04:57 PM |
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Mar 25 2010, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(rockets @ Mar 25 2010, 04:42 PM) i never said the price was right, i said there was a need to CAP. if there was no cap everyone is going to have turtle speed and you would be here crying again. so which is it you want? I want them to make the cap more reasonable at least ( my usage is roughly 300 gb ish a month )+ remove the daily cap, Or remove cap altogether; Or reduce the price so we don't need to b**** about the cap TM is already pulling another cable to the US, you think a cable this long can be done in one day? even if you had the money it'd still take years to finish. it's just unfortunate they had to roll out HSBB when they don't have enough international bandwith to support it, which is why for now it needs to be capped. |
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Mar 25 2010, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 25 2010, 04:43 PM) You download shows, but what quality do you download? Do you watch crappy rmvb encodes? do you watch normal hdtv episodes? or do you watch 720p videos? I don't actually download any show but if you count watching through PPS as download, then yes I download through PPS.HSBB is meant to allow you access HD content like 720p videos and even stream it without problems, but if you have a 60GB cap, that just doesn't make any sort of sense. PPS is like a method for me to find out if a movie is good or bad. If I enjoy a movie, I wait for the DVD and buy it. For big titles like Transformers and recently Alice in Wonderland, I watch it in the cinema on weekend. For series like Supernatural, I watch them on PPS as well and buy the DVD when its available, I have 3 seasons on DVD now. FOr anime, I watch it on PPS or just read teh comic, I'm only interested in the story and the artwork, I don't need HD to be able to enjoy it. Added on March 25, 2010, 5:08 pm QUOTE(PrinceCaspien @ Mar 25 2010, 04:51 PM) you miss one thing to do, download movie/tv series to watch......1 tv series average around 360mb, so if a series have 20 episode that will be around 7.2GB and that's just 1 tv series, there are tons and tons of tv series out there...... I might be a freak or something but I'm not into TV series. The only series that got my attention is Supernatural and that is coming to an end. Basically now TM is the king as they have 5Mbps as their lowest fibre optic lines speed, till any other wireless who can achieve these speed, i do not think they will lower their charges.........TM have a KIASU mindset...that's the problem....., and all those crooks with 4G spectrum awarded to them are just sitting there and do nothing..... I haven't torrent any movie, series, game, mp3 for years. I suppose thats why I have low utillization. This post has been edited by neoengsheng: Mar 25 2010, 05:08 PM |
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Mar 25 2010, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 25 2010, 04:41 PM) Even if they did that, I would still call it an irrelevant comparison. Can you take usage data of 56k users to extrapolate the needs when you go on to ADSL? HELL NO No, but I can take usage data of 4mbps ADSL users to extrapolate the "needs" of 5mbps HSBB users. QUOTE Sure, MOST people would not use up to 60GB a month, but MOST people also won't be needed the speeds provided by HSBB, their needs are more than catered to using 512kbps streamyx or even if they need to, 1mbps package. Even the 1mbps package is overkill for some. The whole point of getting 5mbps is so you can really enjoy the stuff that requires higher bandwidth. Its like giving you a ferrari, with a speed limiter of 60kph. Defeats the whole bloody purpose. Where I come from, 100+mbps is common, and I am used to such speeds. I find it provides a lot of advantages - when I need a 1GB dataset I can download it in minutes instead of hours. When I want to relax with some video entertainment I never have to wait. But I do not find myself downloading 18TB per day just because I can. I have no idea what the purpose of owing a Ferrari is, but I suspect it aligns with the same mentality that says "I have 10mbps so I am damn well going to download at that speed 24/7 just because I can". This is never something I have understood; it all seems sociopathic to me. But I come from a very different cultural background. QUOTE Most of us here are fine with caps, and I would actually advocate caps because it keeps the whole system under control and a better experience for everyone. However the caps should be justified, a 60GB cap on a 5mbps line doesn't make any sense. Ok, we're in basic agreement, it's just a matter of negotiating the levels now. Like it or not, TM does have limited international bandwidth and it has to be allocated among all the users. The higher the cap, the worse performance low-usage customers will see. So, the higher the cap, the more TM is rewarding the customers who cost them money. There is very little incentive for them to set the cap higher than the lowest level the market will tolerate. We may debate about whether the market will tolerate 60GB@5mbps but I suspect that only time will truly tell. |
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Mar 25 2010, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(satoshi.mifune @ Mar 25 2010, 04:55 PM) Tm has always been king and the government wants it to stay that way as it is in their best interest The sad thing is, it is NOT in the government's best interest. It is in the government's best interest to facilitate open competition in the broadband market. That will make the people happier with the government and more likely to keep them in office. It will make Malaysia a wealthier country so there is more money to go around in taxes (or even bribes). The huge problem with the government (and with many businesses here) is that they are so focused on getting RM1 today that they throw away the chance to get RM10 tomorrow. |
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